Talk:Dimitri van der Linden

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Ridiculous and immature[edit]

This article is ridiculous. It doesn't critique at all the study he co-authored, in fact it doesn't even describe his research or appoints any of its supposed problems. It is merely an attack on uncomfortable conclusions. The study by van der Linden that established that men's brains give them an advantage in intelligence did use validated IQ tests to corroborate the thesis and analyse the link between brain size and intelligence, so it's inaccurate to say that he offered no evidence for his thesis. If he hadn't, would he have been published in a peer-reviewed journal in the first place? It seems that it is fine to quote studies based on IQ scores if these support a feminist thesis, but not if they don't.

To refute van der Linden, the entry references a study led by Roberto Colom, a 20-years-old paper titled "Negligible Sex Differences in General Intelligence". That's fine but why should this study be more valid than van der Linden's? Plus, the latest study that Colom co-authored on sex differences in IQ did find such a difference, and one, in fact, that is even more massive than that found by van der Linden — 5 IQ points[1] vs. 3.75 IQ points.

And by the way, it is equally inaccurate to say that brain size is not correlated with intelligence. Van der Linden's study did find by using sophisticated statistical models that there was such a correlation, and so did many other studies by independent teams. Why do these studies count less than those that have supposedly found the thesis of no brain-IQ correlation? 177.133.104.61 (talk) 03:43, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

It's another crap article that needs to be deleted. 167.71.16.238 (talk) 00:54, 14 May 2025 (UTC)

What is the point in this article?[edit]

It's basically just some block quotes of old paper abstracts. 67.205.153.253 (talk) 19:43, 29 May 2025 (UTC)

Problems[edit]

Dimitri van der Linden is a Dutch psychologist and sexist pseudoscientist who argues women have on average significantly lower IQs than men and that this is because they have smaller brains (not withstanding that an "IQ" is a score, not a trait you have).[citation needed] While it is true that women on average have slightly smaller brains than men, there's no evidence this is linked to intelligence (we give more credit to how the brain is wired); furthermore, "It is scientifically well established that there is no difference on average in general intelligence between women and men."[1] For example a number of IQ tests have shown women and men on average, are approximately the same IQ, and any differences are statistically negligible (by <0.5 IQ point).[2]

Linden has co-authored dozens of papers with far-right[citation needed] HBD pseudoscientist[citation needed] [3]

First, that page isbeing deleted and the description of him as "far-right" and a "HBD pseudoscientist" is unsourced and incorrect (added by a troll?), so that line can be deleted (adding the [citation needed] was pointless since there are no sources). Second, the description of Linden as a "sexist pseudoscientist" is not accurate. He co-authored a controversial paper in 2017 (Linden et al) which found women have lower IQs than men on average by 3.75 IQ points. Other studies have reported higher or lower differences so it is a matter of debate and is complicated by the fact women and men score higher in verbal/spatial/memory ability tests. Although Linden's study reported a mean 3.75 IQ difference, it reported women actually scored better than men in memory tests including recalling a sequence of 18 pictures. Is it simply not correct to describe Mr. Linden as a "sexist pseudoscientist" based on this one paper. Furthermore, it appears he only ever published a single peer-reviewed paper about this contentious topic of which he was a co-author. His CV is here. and none of his other papers or research are on sex and intelligence (aside from a 2017 talk at the LCI). The article was created in 2018 (within a year of the controversial study), and there is only a single source for the sexism claim an online news website (Mashable) and that source is now 8 years old. Aside from a single paragraph mentioning the controversial paper, there is nothing else to Linden's article aside from some LCI abstracts; there is not enough information to justify the article being kept up. I request an AfD. 206.189.233.52 (talk) 14:24, 16 June 2025 (UTC)

@Spud, @Bongolian any chance you can create an AfD on this article? The article only consists of 1 paragraph with inaccurate info and some block quotes of paper abstracts. 98.98.66.67 (talk) 14:43, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
My other concern is this article has been edited by @Ex-BoN Lurker to add falsehoods and defamation. As I elsewhere pointed out, Ex-BoN Lurker is a sock of User:CBH (a banned user) and their MO is harming this wiki by inserting nonsense and libel to cause this site legal issues. For example, Lurker re-inserted or wrote the following dubious line on Linden's page: "Linden has co-authored dozens of papers with far-right HBD pseudoscientist ." That was entirely unsourced and that page was recently deleted (which Lurker edited adding more nonsense). If there was any decent moderation here Lurker would be banned. They have harmed this wiki by adding false and libellous statements on multiple articles. As with CBH, they only fixated on HBD-related pages. 98.98.66.67 (talk) 15:05, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
Someone please create an AFD vote for this article. thanks. 67.205.160.135 (talk) 15:07, 17 June 2025 (UTC)