Talk:King James Only

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Perhaps a "King James is Best" position would be more reasonable.Tolerance 15:09, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Why is that? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:12, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Bless you for the corrections. It is clearly the most inspired. Tolerance 15:16, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Thank you. I always wondered: wouldn't learning the original Hebrew and Greek be the truest method of interpreting the Bible? --Star of David.png Radioactive afikomen Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments. 15:21, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
Well obviously, its in English and we all know that is what they speak in Heaven. tmtoulouse oppress 15:18, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
(edit conflict)How could it be the most inspired if it was first written in another language and translated at a much later date? The original language would be the most inspired, would it not, and the most accurate translation would be the second most inspired? Rational Edthink! 15:20, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
It obviously hasd the most inspired Translators. At least that is my opinion. Tolerance 15:25, 13 May 2008 (EDT)
If it could be clearly demonstrated that an error in translation had been made, would that indicate that the original version was wrong or that the KJV was more inspired? Rational Edthink! 15:27, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Personally, I feel that all translations had exactly the same amount of divine inspiration. tmtoulouse oppress 15:28, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Otherwise I suppose those who were guided by a different version might be in danger of losing their souls... Rational Edthink! 15:30, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Equality of inspiration is possible - though, perhaps, unlikely. If an error were found, the mistake might have been in the earlier version and then devinly corredted in the KJV. Tolerance 15:31, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

Oh I think equal inspiration is by far the most likely, by a very long shot. They all received the exact same amount of inspiration. (for those not catching on that amount is zero) tmtoulouse oppress 15:34, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

KJV issues[edit]

1 John 5:7[edit]

KJV
For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
NLT
So we have these three witnesses

One of the monks preparing the KJV (Erasmus) was under pressure from Rome to include "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." to argue against those who where unitarian (in the 1600s sense of the word - someone who argued against the trinity, for example Issac Newton[1]). There is no basis for this translation in any Greek manuscript.

http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/graphic1designer/errors.html also lists many additions that came from the Latin Vulgate rather than any Greek manuscript.

Romans 8:16[edit]

KJV
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God
NKJV
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

This passage is one that the Jehvoa's Whinesses use in claiming that there is no trinity (the itself vs himself).

Acts 9:7 and Acts 22:9[edit]

And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man.
And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.

This pair of passages is apparently in contradiction in KJV and used by the Mormons.[2] The issue is that it is a very poor translation into English.[3]

Unicorns[edit]

Numbers 23:22, Numbers 24:8 Deuteronomy 33:17, Job 39:9-10, Psalms 22:21, Psalms 29:6, Psalms 92:10, and Isaiah 34:7

The Hebrew is ךםא 'r@'em, r@'eym, reym, or rem depending on how you want to write it.[4] A better translation would probably be auroch or wild bull... not 'unicorn'. Unless someone wants to take the stance that unicorns really existed.

Conclusion[edit]

Given the above errors and insertions, while the KJV is poetic and traditional it is still in error and has lead to misinterpretations of the original text. --Shagie 16:33, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

title[edit]

"only" should not be capitalized. Shall we move this thing? ħumanUser talk:Human 03:22, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

NewAge thingyamagig[edit]

I'm really not sure what the New Age bible has to do with the King James Only page. There is a page on bible translations, and perhaps it goes there, but this page seems to be about the phenomena in the US that some archaic book that no one understands anyhow is BEST when translated into some archaic language that no one understands. Unless I'm missing the point of the 2nd section.--WaitingforGodot 15:17, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

I'm not quite sure what this is about. Haven't read the book, but Jack Chick apparently likes it. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 15:29, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
eh, i went and read amazon.com. I edited the paragraph so it makes a bit more sense to me, at least. Give me a google, and i'll find anything. Course, some of us didn't even HAVE google in school. we had to do things the hard way, with Science Citation Index, and LLM Index. so, "riplinger bible" or better "riplinger wiki" is a nice thing to have at your fingers.  ;-)--WaitingforGodot 15:34, 24 July 2008 (EDT)
Hmm. I must have been in last year of high school when Google started (late '98?), so it wasn't much use to me until in uni a few years later, either. Or Wiki, for that matter. --AKjeldsenCum dissensie 15:40, 24 July 2008 (EDT)

Quotes from preface[edit]

A BON has added some quotes from the preface, however I always dislike incomplete quotes as they always feel quote-miney. Any thoughts? - User \scriptstyle-i\ln(-1) 23:58, 4 December 2008 (EST)

I dunno, they look sort of ok to me. Do they check out, at least, as being representative of what the editors meant? Remember, the KJV was the first wiki ;) (that we know of) ħumanUser talk:Human 00:39, 5 December 2008 (EST)
I'm not thrilled with the placement of the quotes, but they are fairly "fundamental" to the article I guess, so belong above the TOC. Or should they get their own section??? ħumanUser talk:Human 00:41, 5 December 2008 (EST)
Maybe under a section with a snarky title like selected quotes or something. - User \scriptstyle-i\ln(-1) 01:05, 5 December 2008 (EST)

So, there you go for refs to Google Books scanned copy in full context. Enjoy. --Shagie 01:24, 5 December 2008 (EST)"

It is not the legitimacy of quotes I am questioning it is whether they reflect what the author intended them to say. - User \scriptstyle-i\ln(-1) 05:35, 5 December 2008 (EST)

Description of the KJV[edit]

... from 'the proverbial somewhere' - The King James Bible is the only good book ever produced by a committee.' 171.33.222.26 (talk) 18:53, 21 February 2013 (UTC)

Rice and BJU[edit]

John Rice and Bob Jones University have both denounced "King James Only." They certainly don't belong on this list. PeterKa (talk) 07:43, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Mormons?[edit]

Really, I mean they do prefer the KJV but isn't it rather silly to call them KJV only? I thought the KJV not being perfect would have been one of the selling points of the Book Of Mormon. Not to mention the "only" part Really doesn't apply to a group that has three whole new books of scripture.

Copyright reasoning[edit]

Seeing as the KJV is the best-known English translation of the Bible whose copyright has expired, I wonder to what extent these KJV-only organizations are either operating under a conception that no one ought to own the Word of God or simply trying to save on royalties. I'd bet some adopted the KJV-only stance before the World English BibleWikipedia's W.svg, a 2000 revision of the 1901 ASV using contemporary English and dedicated to the public domain, started to become well known. Is there any evidence of this? --Damian Yerrick (talk) 01:46, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

At a tangent - as someone once said - who actually 'owns' the Gideon Bibles in hotel rooms - people deliberately leave the books, they are not designated as the property of the hotels etc. There is a request that you leave the bible for others to make use of - but no injunction against relocating it. 31.49.127.1 (talk) 09:11, 15 August 2017 (UTC)

Septuagint[edit]

"like the KJV, was based on the Septuagint and the Erasmian Textus receptus" in the parallel movements section. The KJV Old Testament is a translation of the Masoretic text (4th generation Hebrew text) not the septuagint (a Greek translation of the first generation Hebrew text).