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In my experience, insane crap made by bored eleven-year-olds is much more common than scams. Look here. (talk) 11:48, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

How do I...[edit]

...set up my own nation? I already own 100 acres of land, so that's off my list. How can I secede? The Heidelberg Kid (talk) 03:01, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Shoot President Obama a quick email asking politely. If you're in Texas, make sure to expand your property to incorporate the entire state before you ask. Sam Tally-ho! 03:06, 19 January 2012 (UTC)


Does this come within the remit of this article? (talk) 17:20, 29 October 2015 (UTC)


Am I allowed to create a further more detailed page on Drivelandia? It was formed after Liberlands "no blacks or Jews" initially policy to mock bitcoiner's under there own logic of "if no one arrests me , it is not illegal" combined with their general euphoria. In a bizarre twist of events Drivelanda also once held over 18 billion bitcoins despite the limit being 21 million (and has screen shots to prove it). We tried to buy the RNLI an aircraft carrier but bitcoin failed on us. We also extended all human rights to felines and would do the same to goats when one arrives. The annual GDP per person is higher then most EU nations and i have a ton of satirical anti-bitcoin and sovereign citizen things(our embassy car has UK plates and is road legal, we don't print our own money, but we do have some exports to the EU mainly cat hair,chilies and potatoes) i can add. Hyplon (talk) 06:46, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

Rather a belated reply, but there's not much info online about Drivelandia outside of Reddit threads and blog posts. RationalWiki doesn't have formal standards for notability or verifiability like Wikipedia does, but it's nice to have some kind of evidence to back up claims, especially in articles about living people, to avoid accidental libel/slander/defamation/lawsuits. Annquin (talk) 10:29, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

List of nations[edit]

Does it make sense to split up or subclassify the list of examples? Maybe into fraud, fun, and other; or successful and crappy; although I'm not sure if it would be possible to clearly separate them? Or we could just keep adding stuff to the list. Annquin (talk) 10:18, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

Or I guess we could classify by location, if it's just to break up the list into manageable chunks. Annquin (talk) 10:27, 17 November 2016 (UTC)

some truth[edit]

Although there are some nations who are made for stupid reasons, some of us actually try to succeed from the motherlands. We happy few actually strongly believe in more democratic or communistic governments, so my nation developed "Virtuanism" a socio-politically economic government base. Its a little bit of everything all mashed together to attempt equality. It works quite well but there are some problems

.communists are happy but angry that the people can gain financially .capitalists are happy but angry that everyone has equal opportunity .Anarchists are quite happy for some reason but angry that both capitalists and communists are allowed to have power .Fascists are really never happy -_- .... about anything.... .oligarchs are content that they can be judges and be nobility. but angry that communists are allowed power too — Unsigned, by: Trentsta12345 / talk / contribs

Some thoughts[edit]

I'd often like some of those who want to go Galt and fund a micronation had success, but received a nasty visit and had their asses saved by one of those states they hate so much. Not because of my dislike for libertarians -except for their views on human rights-, but to show instead how to build a nation from scratch is a far more complicated thing than the issue of passports and coins (you'll need an armed forces or at the very least a Police force, becoming friends with real countries, etc.) -- (talk) 10:34, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

I read the above not as a "serious, realistic proposition" of any kind, but more as a vague expression of a fundamental empathy — something along the lines of; "I wish those people would come to see for themselves that things aren't so simple, that they could end up getting hurt, that society isn't all bad and that we humans need to cooperate". Perhaps that wasn't what you meant at all — but for now, that's how I read it. And as such, I agree perfectly with your sentiment (if nothing else). Th hug.gif Reverend Black Percy (talk) 10:46, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
My idea (the interpretation, I mean) is similar. That could work with some luck in the Middle Ages, when the most advanced weapon was the horseback knight and there were no passports and the like, but if someone attempted that in the modern world of firearms and worse would have trouble sooner or later unless they had a "big brother" protecting them (Costa Rica is said to lack an army having just police forces, but has the US behind if I'm not wrong). Alas, mercenaries are there as long as you pay them and they will be unhappy if that does not happen. --Panzerfaust (talk) 13:34, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
And (not just) with mercenaries, you always run the risk of the people with all the guns realizing that:
"Hey, we're the people with all the guns. Hell, our job is having all the guns. So why are we taking orders from people without guns?"
This is also known as a military coup — and if it can happen to nations, it can happen to micronations (with less red tape to boot). Reverend Black Percy (talk) 13:46, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
But wait, there's more!. I hope you know how to be a farmer and the soil is good for crops otherwise be prepared to depend of imports or a way to generate energy (not so hard with solar panels, assuming there's enough space). Long history short, creating a nation even on a minarchist way is not something remotely easy, as those seem to think --Panzerfaust (talk) 13:27, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

Bring back[edit]

Tannu Tuva, Moresnet, 'the myriad states of the Holy Roman Empire' and all the other odd-fragments of states. (talk) 22:25, 11 April 2017 (UTC)

“Failed Holy Roman Empire”?[edit]

In what sense is/was The Holy Roman Empire an example of a “failed state”? Sure, it no longer exists, but it’s Hardy unique in this (tonnesnof States have disappeared) and its longevity of about a thousand years is nothing to sneeze at. I don’t think that the HRE really works as an example in this context, either as an illustration of a failed state or as an example of a particularly “heated political system”. ScepticWombat (talk) 08:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)