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[edit] Fake news is a scapegoat article...

...or more specifically the claim 'democracy is in crisis'. Just how exactly is democracy in crisis, beyond some votes going a way we'd rather not? Seems more like the ability of our side (generally a more liberal left around these parts) to connect with voters is in crisis. I wonder if democracy was in crisis when bush got in? Or reagan? Or thatcher? If you are more right wing, was democracy in crisis when clinton got in? How about when labour got in after over a decade of tory government?. Seems more like democracy in action rather than crisis to me. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:57, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

The rise of Authoritan Rulers around the World. Turkey a former Democracy might not be one for long. We Germans talk about "Politikverdruss" hard to translate meaningful but the gist is that people lost interest in the Democratic System since the 90's and the Surge of the AFD marks the current Crisis of Democracy in Germany.
On Trump: He is not quite comparable to Thatcher and Reagan as Ronald Reagan stopped having a boner for Nukes after "The Day after" while Trump thinks we should stock up again. But his extreme Views are not the only thing that is concerning. It is that all of that points to people loosing so much trust in the current system that they want it burned down, they rather vote a guy who admited sexual assault than have a Establishment "shill" again, it was, in a way, like Obamas Change campaing, only angry. So maybe it is not Trump per se, maybe it is the knowledge that a hella lot of people are looking for easy answers that is the Democratic Crisis... --Benaresh (talk) 21:44, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
Yeah the way I see it all of these countries where far right parties are gaining power and the disruption of the EU is seriously bad news. The world doesn't need Russia taking over any more places or more xenophobic authoritarian states. MyNameIsMudd (talk) 23:44, 9 January 2017 (UTC)
so a bunch of cunts got in. Such is democracy, you get fuckholes you dont like time to time. That does not represent a crisis of democracy. Presumably enough people liked them. Have you never been on the losing side before? It is failure of the liberal left to provide a viable alternatives. They saw in banking crashes and austerity. Things werent exactly rosey before. These pricks in power now will run the course, meet with some crisis or other and the pendulum will swing back for the left to rise up with new popular support. Such fickle sheep we are. AMassiveGay (talk) 00:53, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
I hope you're right. I'm not saying our "side" is perfect, not by a long shot, because when people are centrists that give lip service to lefties people fall for the first right wing demagogue that comes along promising something better. I hope left leaning political parties elsewhere in the world realize this. MyNameIsMudd (talk) 01:07, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
It isn't about winning. I don't know why you are so negative about this AMassiveGay. Rather i'd like to know what you think what should be different? Anyway stop calling anyone sheep. Firstly Sheep are more intelligent (and evil) than we give them credit for and also calling Humans Pigs sheep and Cattle isn't healthy for your mindset. Most People i know want easy answers for difficult Politcal problems, for their own life is complicated enough. But we, well at least i, know that nothing is easy about anything. --Benaresh (talk) 12:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
hahaha - you are talking about democracy in crisis (it isnt) and yet i'm being negative. You know what else isnt healthy for your mindset? Being so fucking earnest about everything. This hyping up the setbacks that the liberal left have suffered to be worst things ever, envisaging facists climbing out the woodwork, proclaiming new hitlers at every turn, is frankly absurd. We are along long way from any of that. Its kind like the liberal version of claiming we are living in the end times and just as polarizing and dehumanising of the other side. AMassiveGay (talk) 13:19, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

You are Evading my question on what should be done . Democratic in Crisis does not mean it is over or in Danger. There is a clear rift between the People and the Politicans... Anyway about the Nazi Analouges: Did you see the "Heil Trump" Video? Or the gushing of "Daily Stormer" on how he is their President? This looks a lot like Fascists climbing out of the woodwork to me. You may be correct that peopel overstate the Dangers and react poorly. However your obvious anger and all your liberals talk (wich means Libertarians where i come from) is a sweeping generalisation. I think you are very happy that Trump has won and People shitting on him here at RW makes you mad.--Benaresh (talk) 14:00, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

obvious anger? Haha, no. Apathy is is more the emotion. I think you are having trouble gauging tone. Thats an issue with over earnestness. 'Democratic in crisis does not mean is over or in danger' what does it mean then? An empty phrase? Your disconnect between public and government means that democracy has always been in crisis. The likes of the daily stormer and nazis supporting trump, these people arnt new. They've always been. And they put their faith in a chancer, who totally wont throw them under a bus at first opportunity, at the head of a government, with checks and balance, and a sacred constitution, thats notoriously useless at getting any meaningful change through. They only so vocal now because they have lost argument after argument tor years. Its their last hurrah, the last shot at relevance. As for supporting trump, go fuck yourself you godawful prick. Do not misrepresent me when nothing i have said supports that. Twat. AMassiveGay (talk) 14:42, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

"In crisis" may be a stretch, but there are certainly valid concerns about the state of democracy. E.g. in the UK, a single-issue referendum (EU membership) is being used by the government as a "mandate" to push ahead with a hard Brexit which wasn't voted on, contradicts their own manifesto, & most aspects of which are being kept secret, all while trying to keep parliament excluded from the process. In the US, Trump & the GOP are appointing a corrupt administrator full of business interests & nepotism, & trying to circumvent the checks which normally prevent this. Trump has kept the media away from a lot of his activities throughout the campaign, & there are indications his government may use prosecutions of journalists & their sources to crack down on the media. Plus there's Russia's interference in the US election process, which the Republicans (after yelling about election fraud for months before the election) don't want to discuss. WèàšèìòìďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 20:02, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

@AMassiveGay Seriously what is your problem ? You call people Sheep you call me a Twat and a prick. You still didn't answer my question what should be done.

Anyway to answer yours: a crisis like the Oil Crisis is according to Wikipedia:"A crisis (from the Greek κρίσις - krisis;[1] plural: "crises"; adjectival form: "critical") is any event that is, or is expected to lead to, an unstable and dangerous situation affecting an individual, group, community, or whole society. Crises are deemed to be negative changes in the security, economic, political, societal, or environmental affairs, especially when they occur abruptly, with little or no warning. More loosely, it is a term meaning "a testing time" or an "emergency event"." Here you go. I am sorry that i asumed you were a Trump supporter but all your "Liberal" bashing here comes off as super angry ranting i expect from one, you voted yes on Brexit then, fine whatever, people are free to do that.--Benaresh (talk) 20:12, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

look. I am sorry i called you a prick. But seriously, do not misrepresent me. Secondly, i am uninterested in precise definitions of the word crisis. Context is far more important generally, though the definition you just gave does not in my mind make the statement 'democracy in crisis' true. Im more inclined to yield to weasloids view. Simply losing some votes on its own does not cut it - my original point. Thirdly, what can be done? That is not not at all relevant to my point. I can see or say something is wrong without knowing how to fix it. As you said earlier, there are no easy answers and im a poorly educated dumbarse. What can help, i think, and this ties into you misrepresenting me, is to learn to take criticism. Criticism does not mean they are against you or are on the otherside. Self reflection. If something is not working do assumd its because the otherside are arseholes, they cheated, they lied, etc. Look to why your message was not get5ing through, why the people who should hqve voted for your candidate didnt. Lose the them and us mindset. Lose the idea that we have we have to fight the enemy. Its easy to say who you are against, but harder to say what you are for. Fight for someth8ng not against. I guess its this bubble thing people are talking about. I here so much from folk saying working class people should voting this way for their own interests, but i see little about folk actua!ly twlking to them. And then, when they dont vote the right way, they are all racists ands uneducated brainwashed simpletons. That'll get em on yourside. Iam not the most subtle, precise or coherent writer, thinker, speaker in the world so make of this meandering rant what you will. On a more personal note, aside from calling you a prick, nothing i said can or should be read as 'angry'. The sheep comment was about people in general not rw, and was clearly a tongue in chech throwaway line, not a statemeng of sincere belief. Maybe not be so quick to take offence at nothing? AMassiveGay (talk) 12:24, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
It is cool man! Also i didn't try to take the piss with you. As you said i have trouble to take critsim it makes me kinda prissy as in passive aggressive, so there is that. Anyway have a nice evening until we bud heads again ;D --Benaresh (talk) 21:43, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
FFS i am to stupid to properly apologise! AMassiveGay I am sorry i took the the discussion in the direction it went. --Benaresh (talk) 21:48, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Reason magazine

Shouldn't Reason Articles land in the Clogosphere? They did call G.W. Bush an socialist. I mean Faunas does an awesome job digging these nuggets but i think they should be moved over.--Benaresh (talk) 12:42, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

Concur, and definitely not in World - David Gerard (talk) 12:33, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
Wait, if they're actually good articles ("nuggets" in Benaresh's words), why should they be over in the "clog" page and not here in the "blog" page or in the "world" page? Articles should be judged by their own merits, not by the fact that they happen to be published by people who tend to say idiocies! I thought we'd be a bit more rational with this (and yes, Essay:I thought this was supposed to be RATIONALWiki and things). Faunas (talk) 22:00, 13 January 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Just a Quick Note Before I Post This

By now I'm sure ya'll have heard about Pissgate. Personally, I think it's some kind of batshit conspiracy theory desperate leftists are latching onto in increasingly desperate attempts to take down Trump. It's sad, it really is, and I'd love to get to the bottom of what's really going on. I don't know what's really happening. But I'm going to post a Gizmodo article about it and you can upvote if you like it, downvote it if you think it's bullshit. No skin off my teeth if you downvote. Please read through it and judge for yourselves. MyNameIsMudd (talk) 21:38, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

I cannot properly form the words needed to present the mixture of Schadenfreude, pure glee and shame ( about the schadenfreude and glee) i feel when reading up on PissGate on MemeCenter. I sure hope it is fake tough. In addition i don't the hooker and watersports thing is something Trump would do... --Benaresh (talk) 21:56, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
It strikes me as not at all unlikely given the other sexual allegations made against him. WēāŝēīōīďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 22:20, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
That a fair point... Crap maybe a part of me don't want it to be true, i mean it is horrifing isn't it?--Benaresh (talk) 23:05, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
ha, watersports is pretty vanilla these days AMassiveGay (talk) 23:50, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
I remain firm in that I don't accept outlandish claims on suspect evidence. Given that it alleges a conspiracy of control on weak evidence: I will call it a conspiracy theory until such time as there is reason to call it something else. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 23:26, 11 January 2017 (UTC)
We have a name now : Christopher Steele was the former british agent who with his Company Orbis Intelligence Limited was tasked to find dirt on Trump. If his claims turn out to be true, what do you think would happen? I still doubt that it is true but i am not fully aware of the consequences... --Benaresh (talk) 07:43, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
Nothing will happen. I cannot imagine a scandal that would turn the republican party against Trump, and being that they control both chambers of congress, everything will slide. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 15:44, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Why

are Guardian and NY Times links on this page? Shouldn't they be on WIGO:World? ?? (talk) 13:51, 17 January 2017 (UTC)

The Guardian publishes plenty of opinion and has a specific editorial slant. (So does the NYT.) I put a piece here rather than WIGO:World because it struck me as very tentative research for discussion rather than hard news. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 16:52, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
If it's an op-ed (e.g. anything in Comment Is Free or NYT Blogs), it goes here - David Gerard (talk) 17:40, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Re: Todd Nickerson petition

"The content of this petition is under review." Not sure what this means, but it probably got removed because someone thought it was encouraging child rape or something.—CheeseburgerFace (talk) 17:40, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

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