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[edit] Teresa Forcades

Teresa Forcades is an anti-vaxxer, are you sure you want to promote her in a wiki like this? I don't really think we need more like her only because she leans a little more to the left that the tipical nun.

[edit] Regarding current happenings in Venezuela

I'm not really sure what's happening. The main sources of information *I've* come across for this have... let's say they've had issues... https://twitter.com/AmendozaPot/status/434328609096876032/photo/1/large or https://twitter.com/monterocnn/status/434495653209985024 . Pictures from CNN, ABC, and others have been reusing pictures from Egypt, Syria, and Singapore... I remember the times article as having had come under fire for doing the same, but I can't find much evidence or counter-evidence for the story. I'm not finding many places reporting regardless - googling and using duckduckgo to depth of five pages is mostly sending me to yahoo or to things that happened in the 80s. I originally found out about it via a post on imgur, which I took at face value, but came back to it later and noticed it had an iconic still from a video of people locked up in a stadium in Honduras singing Quilapayún's "El pueblo unido" to protest the dictator president our CIA installed... And then by the time I was going to go back to it the post was... removed...

I really don't want to go into conspiracy territory, I really don't want to have to apologize for Chavez's idiots. But I'm not able to find any information any which way regarding this, and it's bothering me. So what I'm asking for is - are there additional (true) sources we can back the incidents up with? Does anyone have more info on the picture misinformation (have more people been caught)? And if the latter wasn't your reason for downvoting the NYT, what was?

Apologies for lack of an account...

[edit] Kevin Trudeau goes to prison

Shouldn't that be in WIGO:Clogs? Bismarck (talk) 12:28, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

No. It is a news report about an event which actually occurred. Clogs is for outrageous expressions of misinformed opinion. TeenageWasteland (talk) 12:39, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
OK, but the most recent entry in Clogs is about Fred Phelps and that one also comes from a real news source. Bismarck (talk) 10:00, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
The Phelps article should probably be under WIGO world. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 13:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

[edit] David Cameron

Why does it pain us to thank David Cameron? Do we have an official political position? Or perhaps there is a site policy that declares he is a prick? Just wondering. --Horace (talk) 01:53, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Because he is a prick. This has been scientifically tested and verified in numerous review studies - David Gerard (talk) 10:19, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

[edit] "Fat Shaming"

OK, what the article says is that;

"Excess thinness is not the road to health, and not the road to robustness," said Dr. Joel Ray, the study's leader. "Think of health robustness as decent muscle structure, reasonable fat, and good bone structure -- all generated by moderate eating. That's sufficient eating, not overeating or undereating."

And the reason low BMI is deadly?:

"The findings reported that low weight was often the result of myriad unhealthy habits, including smoking, alcohol abuse, and drug use. Other factors included mental illness, malnourishment, and low socio-economic status."

Plus all the problems with BMI in the first place:

"Ray urged caution when using the BMI, though maintained that the index's calculation method was a sound basis for the study. 'BMI reflects not only body fat, but also muscle mass,' he said. 'If we want to continue to use BMI in health care and public health initiatives, we must realize that a robust and healthy individual is someone who has a reasonable amount of body fat and also sufficient bone and muscle. If our focus is more on the ills of excess body fat, then we need to replace BMI with a proper measure, like waist circumference.' ".

So obesity is still unhealthy. --A Real Libertarian (talk) 00:24, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

There is an important gap between "acknowledging that obesity is unhealthy" and "shaming/ridiculing people for being obese." TeenageWasteland (talk) 04:41, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Every fairly large human society is going to pick somebody to play the role of the lazy, no 'count, good for nothing, the perennial Bad Example. Today, we do it through moralistic "health" regimens. It's about testing how badly you want to conform. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 05:17, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Every "fairly large human" society lol Minoreditor (talk) 20:17, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Mars Hill Church under Mark Driscoll is cult-like.

Andrew, a red blooded Christian 25-year old touched a girl in naughty places, he also touched his fiancee in naughty places before they were married. He felt guilty and confessed but no amount of penitence was enough for the church elders, They wanted to control Andrew and wouldn't let go while his sin could control him further. Finally Andrew left the Marsh Hill Church and others were ordered not to communicate with him except to tell him he was nor penitent and needed to submit to the church leaders. Other church members were also treated abusively. Indeed Christian right mega-church minister faces mega-mutiny for alleged abusive behavior. There's more, The Control-Freaky Ways of Mars Hill Church. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:25, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Information Manipulation and Climate Agreements

This [1] was published in February, so I might have missed it in WIGO. Has anyone read behind the paywall? It appears to justify lying to pressure governments into signing international environmental agreements, and the denial crowd [2] is eagerly pointing [3] at it as evidence [4] of the conspiracy uncovered. It might be worth posting here as evidence that bad apples are everywhere. Ckozeluh (talk) 19:39, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

I don't think justify is the right word there. Rationalize why is probably the right one. The abstract says to me "Environmental groups have a tendency to exaggerate the effects of global warming. This study examines some of the rationalities for groups doing so." Zero (talk) 19:48, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
It should tell you something when anti-science whackaloons were the only ones who made a big deal out of this. "Instrumental value" and "rationale" does not mean that the journal is endorsing anything; it means that the organizations Hong and Zhao were studying believed that "information manipulation" (read: sensationalism) would be useful to help their aims. And then in the next sentence the authors say the results were "ambiguous" (read: mixed at best). Surprised? Osaka Sun (talk) 20:15, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

[edit] OF COURSE its Capt. Janeway.

And I read it as the final episode of Voyager plays on my TV in the background. I nearly choked on my iced tea laughing. --Revolverman (talk) 21:34, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish false flag op

Are not conspiracy theories more for the clogs? AMassiveGay (talk) 11:49, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, Seymour Hersh is not just anyone. He was the one who revealed the My Lai Massacre conducted by U.S. troops during the war in Vietnam and the person thanks to whom we know about the U.S. torture in the Abu Ghraib (Iraq). Also, there has been a leaked (and officially confirmed!) recording in which Turkish officials discuss plans to fake another reason for going to war in Syria. By now, I see no reason to withhold or ridicule Seymour's claims. Sophophobe (talk) 12:12, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I see from your link he is not without his critics. At best it is one blogs, certainly at this stage. AMassiveGay (talk) 12:35, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
I think this would be indeed a better place.Sophophobe (talk) 19:12, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

[edit] And the winner is...

a BoN, unsurprisingly. (Note the date.)--ZooGuard (talk) 12:44, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

Is this about the messed-up poll ID order? Frederick♠♣♥♦ 07:45, 13 April 2014 (UTC)


[edit] Blood Moon Prophecy

This (at least as I remember it) showed up on CNN.com, and to contrast with John Hagee's little prediction, methinks it deserves a place here: The moon shall turn to blood as it aligns with Earth and Sun / And do so thrice more ere eighteen months are done / 'Tis not a sign of the coming apocalypses / But merely the first of four total eclipses Captain Wolff (talk) 19:45, 15 April 2014 (PST)

When Biblical prophecy gets hard to understand, I always turn to the time tested truths of astrology. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 03:32, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

[edit] India Supreme Court Ruling a Victory for Trans-People?

I guess that this is a victory for the Hijira, a distinct third gender, but I thought transgenderism was not a third gender. From my reading, I thought transgender identity meant that a person's gender identity is the opposite of their body's sex, not an entirely different gender from the binary of male or female. I understand that this could be good for legal protections, but I have thought that a transgender woman would not want to be identified as anything other than a woman. Crow7878 (talk) 16:52, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

I can only imagine that, like gender binaries, gender constructs that challenge the binary norm differ according to place and time, and often take meaning within a particular cultural context. Terms like "transgender" "transwoman, "transman," "third sex," and "Hijira" don't necessarily translate across cultures, and rulings about them might not have a specific effect outside of a distinct legal/cultural sphere . But any legal ruling that increases rights and protections for people who don't fit in with binary gender norms has to be celebrated as a sign that those norms are gradually, albeit slowly, becoming less and less powerful. TeenageWasteland (talk) 17:03, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

[edit] I've been trying to add this

What could possibly go wrong with this?

But for some reason it's not setting up the poll id correctly, I'm getting something wrong I'm sure. Anyone care to add it.— Unsigned, by: ‎Oldusgitus / talk / contribs

Fiksed nao. Mess with my headline, and I'll fuckin' slit ya. --PsyGremlinHable! 12:50, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
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