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[edit] Ukraine

With all sympathy for the Maidan Protesters, and all enmity towards Putin, I think that it is no cause for celebration if the newloy elected "Consensus" President pulls a Ghaddafi the very first day after the election by bombing his own country!

[edit] Teresa Forcades

Teresa Forcades is an anti-vaxxer, are you sure you want to promote her in a wiki like this? I don't really think we need more like her only because she leans a little more to the » that the tipical nun.

[edit] Regarding current happenings in Venezuela

I'm not really sure what's happening. The main sources of information *I've* come across for this have... let's say they've had issues... https://twitter.com/AmendozaPot/status/434328609096876032/photo/1/large or https://twitter.com/monterocnn/status/434495653209985024 . Pictures from CNN, ABC, and others have been reusing pictures from Egypt, Syria, and Singapore... I remember the times article as having had come under fire for doing the same, but I can't find much evidence or counter-evidence for the story. I'm not finding many places reporting regardless - googling and using duckduckgo to depth of five pages is mostly sending me to yahoo or to things that happened in the 80s. I originally found out about it via a post on imgur, which I took at face value, but came back to it later and noticed it had an iconic still from a video of people locked up in a stadium in Honduras singing Quilapayún's "El pueblo unido" to protest the dictator president our CIA installed... And then by the time I was going to go back to it the post was... removed...

I really don't want to go into conspiracy territory, I really don't want to have to apologize for Chavez's idiots. But I'm not able to find any information any which way regarding this, and it's bothering me. So what I'm asking for is - are there additional (true) sources we can back the incidents up with? Does anyone have more info on the picture misinformation (have more people been caught)? And if the latter wasn't your reason for downvoting the NYT, what was?

Apologies for lack of an account...

[edit] Governor Crazy of Maine


  1. How did he manage to hide most of this shit under the national spotlight for the last four years? We noticed him less than we did Jon Huntsman.
  2. I understand that he got into office because the left split the vote (Dems nominating a Blue Dog + the Independent candidate agreeing to strategic voting all but guarantees it won't recur), but will it continue to be the norm for extreme-right, caricature Republicans to run in the Northeast? Osaka Sun (talk) 06:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't even know how he can keep his office, since these guys are LEGALLY a terrorist group, as deemed by the FBI. Isn't consorting with them a crime? --Revolverman (talk) 09:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
If this were a muslim terrorist group, there wouldn't be a press conferences, conservatives coming ignoring this story, or anything. His ass would be in jail so fast, that this would be a done issue in a day. But no. They're white, libertarian, christians, so we have to just let bygones be bygones. I'm sure the conservative media would have the same measured response if it were Obama or some other democrat meeting up with a left wing terrorist group.

[edit] thought crimes and cannibal cops

This seems like no win situation for the police. Do nothing and get some horrendous crime of which people ask why didn't they step in sooner, act to soon and you lock up some harmless loon for thought crimes and venting on the internet. AMassiveGay (talk) 18:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I would say they acted appropriately. They took the threat seriously and the justice system determined that it was a false positive. Anyway It's not like these things never work, I'm reminded of a case a number of years back where a fellow said he would burn his school down. newgrounds which is not exactly a moral bastion promptly found the guy's personal data and called the local police. the guy and he was arrested going to school and caught with matches and gasoline. Here's the summary that I found at the time http://rig.newgrounds.com/news/post/281646 and apparently newgrounds now has a fucking wiki with an article about it too but I think rig's summary is better

[edit] A+++ work Abbott

You've made Steven Harper look like a caring and intelligent leader. That's nothing short of a god damn miracle. --Revolverman (talk) 14:44, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] In Scotland draping bacon round the doors of a mosque merits a year in prison.

while it doesn't merit any prison time, it certainly reveals a couple of terrible assholes at work. Father Vivian O'Blivion talkModerator 17:44, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not supporting what they did, it only radicalises the Muslims more. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:46, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
You know what else does that, I'll bet? Referring to them as an undifferentiated block of radicals. Father Vivian O'Blivion talkModerator 18:12, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Goodpost.gif - David Gerard (talk) 10:15, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
it does kind of add fuel to the fire doesn't it. I dunno bout a year in prison but some sentence is warranted. I dunno if its a hate crime specifically, not quite that serious, but in that kinda ball park. Everyone know pork is a big no no for muslims, they vwould have known the distress it could cause and there is no 'free speech' issue here. It is the same level of daubing 'wogs go home' on the door. I think muslim communities already feel beseiged from the likes of ukip and edf and shitty red tops and dubious foreign policy. I'd rather not tar all Muslims with the radical brush, but there is a problem with radicalisation of Muslims in the UK at present, as seen by the many? British Muslims fighting in Syria and Iraq and I think in, somalia. Throwing bacon at them is only gonna aid the more radical preachers. AMassiveGay (talk) 09:53, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I would approve if they got many hours hours community service and/or were ordered to attend equality and diversity training courses. Proxima Centauri (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
It's a harsh sentence in itself, but maybe it's meant to discourage other people doing the same thing and triggering a riot. Casionaut (talk) 19:14, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Is there any possibility that they will be released early onto parole with good behavior in prison? That's possible in America but I know nothing about other countries parole laws(not that I know all that much about the USA's parole laws for that matter)--NonPerson (talk) 01:28, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] That ugly meme

I suggest that this news item gets edited out. Although I am sure that the person who added it had no bad intentions, I think we should not increase the amount of people who see that meme. Let's just hope that it calms down soon enough. My comment here should then be deleted, too. Sophophobe (talk) 16:30, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Keep hatred from spreading, or put as many eyes as possible on the hatred so that people know they live in a society where hatred thrives and are possibly motivated to do a little tiny something about it? I'm willing to bet most people here go for the latter. Father Vivian O'Blivion talkModerator 16:44, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
A lot of the twitter links now point at missing pages, which I take to be a good sign. Not sure what to think about the balance between withholding publicity in the spirit of DFTT, or shining some of Justice Brandeis's sunlight on it. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 16:55, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
RationalWiki has a tendency to flock to wherever the worst crap out there is and focus as much attention on it as possible. It's not always the best course of action, but hey, at least RW has established itself as such and people won't be surprised to find the worst of the worst here. If you don't want to see it, you know which website not to go to. Nullahnung (talk) 17:04, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I figured I should at least change the news source to one that doesn't link to the hashtag or examples of the meme so I found a different website for it --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 11:51, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
I found it mildly amusing that when I visited the link, the suggested next clickbait story apparently involved looking at a series of 25 pictures of Kim Kardashian's arse. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:25, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh yeah I picked the source solely because it didn't link to the meme or hashtag itself, most articles did --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 15:17, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
As an American, she has an ass, not an arse - David Gerard (talk) 15:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
I agree that if posting such news generally helps to decrease, or at least monitor hatred in a respectful way, it could be preferred over the chance to calm things down quickly. Especially here at RW where people generally read the news to get informed about just that kind of stuff. The quote of the assaulted girl that can be found under the new link now actually gives me confidence that she would approve this posting. There is a situation, though, when I would still disappreciate sharing a similar affair: that is, when it's not yet certain whether that thing goes viral or not and posting it here might become the metaphorical final straw. In this case I would kindly encourage people to wait for a few hours and then reconsider sharing it. Sophophobe (talk) 18:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, failing better sources, it would be possible to rehost the text of a news article on the subject using Blogspot or Tumblr without direct links or the name of the hashtag. It's not like this sort of thing happens frequently but it would mean that we aren't giving the meme traffic or further spreading the images. I am happy that she is holding together, god knows what strength that takes --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 20:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Spiders on drugs

Been around for a very long time. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:19, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

I was sad we never saw the crack spider's bitch. --Revolverman (talk) 20:44, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
What about cats on drugs? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 04:55, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] The guy who tried to proselytize people on his job

The lawyers representing the firm isnt even trying. Shouldn't the reason for termination be "Causing distress to others" or something along that line? I seriously believe if people are to the point of complaining about the proselytism, that should be enough grounds of dismissal because the guy who complain has a right not to listen to this kind of things, regardless of what religion or lack thereof. Seriously, "religious liberty" should not include the right to annoy other people about your religion or the lack thereof. K61824Ed Poor types in Chinese? 15:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Ben Stein Sexting Scandal

Actually, there was one thing to ease someone into it, but I never put it in Clogs because I was unsure of when the darn thing was published. He wrote in the American Spectator about his tendency to talk to attractive women and get their contact information when he's away lecturing, with one wanting him to help her become a rich, successful writer. Heck, there's even this text from her to him after she broke up with her boyfriend who got her pregnant. “I know, but I’ll just be a single mom. Will you help me out?”User:PsychoGecko 19:09, 23 July 2014

The best thing about this is to imagine the texts being read aloud in the Ben Stein voice. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 19:31, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Halbig v. Burwell Rulings

So I'm sure most of you know (or at the very least should know if you follow America politics) about the two different rulings which ere divided along partisan lines in the US Court of Appeals in the DC Circuit and the US Court of Appeals for the fourth circuit. The partisan nature of this divide is obvious and only an idiot would deny that, the attempt to deprive millions of Americans of affordable healthcare because of what basically amounts to a typo is to be quite honest, disgusting. However I would like to know from any legal experts out there what exactly this ruling would do to the Afordable Care Act. This beltway conservative professor from George Mason University, Ilya Somin (his other work seems to suggest that he has a libertarian bent but seems to be more in line with Chicago school economics than Austrian school economics which means that he at least is not completely crazy) wrote in the Washington Post that this ruling if it were to stand would have little affect on the law as he argues that it would leave the law intact and give states the choice to set up an exchange [1]. I'm not interested in political rhetoric (hell I believed and still believed in a "public option" health care reform) I just want to whether or not this guy's arguments are BS or not. In any case please feel free to share your thoughts on how ridiculous (the "framers" of this bill were fairly clear about what they wanted it to accomplish) this ruling is as a whole. Alsto003 (talk) 16:55, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that 36 states still haven't set up an exchange — the law is designed to provide "backup" coverage if legislatures (GOP-dominated, and you can't deny that) indefinitely choose not to. Hell, even the conservative dissent in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius admitted to it. The challenge's survival literally rests on five members of the SCOTUS having to reverse their own positions 2+ years after the fact, which (even after some of the more dumbfounding rulings the Roberts court has made) seems too crazy to stomach. Osaka Sun (talk) 17:41, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Out of control sex geckos in space

I plead da fif. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5EofwRzit0 User:PsychoGecko 10:49, 25 July 2014

[edit] Orban

Jesus, this guy is terrifying. He makes you feel like the stormtroopers are coming to kick in your door if you even lay down on the job. Also, those comments are comedy gold.--Madman (talk) 00:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)The Madman

[edit] Sorry, Mother Jones

People whose murder convictions get thrown out by the judicial system because of flawed police investigations are not guilty of murder. End of story. They didn't "get away with murder" because they took executive positions in a despised organization of political enemies. They are in no different position from anyone else's whose unjust or dubious conviction was overturned by the judicial system. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 19:24, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Whatever he did, that was one of the most fucked up interrogations I've ever read ""You damned Polack, you step one foot out of that door and I'll kill you," Dowlut said the cop growled as he patted his gun.". What kinda of psychotic bullshit is that? --Revolverman (talk) 19:37, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
There is, of course, a difference between "not guilty" and "innocent." Thanos6 (talk) 20:57, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
if we going with the whole 'innocent until proven guilty' idea, then no, there is no difference between 'not guilty' and 'innocent' AMassiveGay (talk) 21:12, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Yes there is. "Not guilty" means "it wasn't proven you did it, whether you did it or not." It's a verdict in the American system. "Innocent" means "you didn't do it at all." Not a verdict in the American system. I've long thought we've needed a "not proven" verdict. Thanos6 (talk) 21:17, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
It's one of those cases where they got the right guy, but because they went all Jack Bauer to do it, the person got away. Because the guy showing the police where he hid the murder weapon was fruit of a poisoned investigation, they couldn't use it in a court of law, so they didn't retry him. But don't pretend he didn't do it just because the cops were incompetent in their investigation - User:PsychoGecko 00:01, 30 July 2014
I'm split on this. One hand, last thing we need is a killer walking on a techicality, however the police's behavior is beyond representable, and it appears all the evidence came from this, lets not mince words, torture session. I guess letting him walk is the only proper thing. --Revolverman (talk) 00:26, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Of course. There's no justification for the police acting like that, so it's good that the system corrected itself to throw out the evidence. I'd rather society let the occasional guilty man go free than convict the occasional innocent one. After all, the justice system's supposed to be about justice. Still means this guy got away with murder. --User:PsychoGecko 1:59, 30 July 2014
Given the treatment he was given, I'm not sure I'd place a great deal of stock in his confession. Many people have in fact been manipulated into confessing to crimes they did not commit. I do tend to think that given those transcripts, the legal system came to a reasonable conclusion here. He did time in prison for a murder he may not have committed; the courts cut him loose because he got an unfair trial, and fifty years have passed. I'm just uneasy with the idea of dragging all of this out fifty years later; it just seems morally disturbing to me, a low blow, unfair even to an executive in the hated NRA. I'm counting it as more evidence that political zeal numbs the conscience in certain ways. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 03:36, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
You're forgetting the part where he led the cops to where the murder weapon was hidden, which happened to be a gun he owned, which he happened to have said he threw into a river but was found buried in a graveyard. --User:PsychoGecko 5:38, 30 July 2014

[edit] I have a degree in physics

Albeit from 30 years ago but I'm not sure that I entirely understand this discovery. I think I need to read a bit more but it does look quite fun. Oldusgitus (talk) 19:57, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

A good chunk of my research was done in the realm of weak measurement, and some weird stuff can result from it. While neutron interferometry was the realm of some of the other postdocs in my research group (and not so much mine), I'll have to ask them what they think about this new development. - Grant (talk) 20:28, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Get them to put it in relatively simple terms for those of us who only have a first degree in physics and not a post grad one (see what I did there btw). Oldusgitus (talk) 20:33, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Heh, indeed. I'm going to go re-read some of the weak measurement papers I have lying around somewhere in the hopes of being able to parse this new paper. I feel like that's unlikely, since despite my foray into weak measurement I still don't understand it at all. Ah well. - Grant (talk) 20:35, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
It's worth noting that (especially in particle physics, but elsewhere too) the state of the models and knowledge that gets taught at university for physics students gets outdated very rapidly (graduate half a decade apart and don't keep up with current discovery and you already won't completely agree on what the material is). So if you had a degree from 30 years ago... well... that may be a factor. Nullahnung (talk) 21:20, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
Yay and nay. Quantum physics was actually around when I did my degree and we did study it. I also worked for a short while on one of the experiments at DESY. Without question the fields have moved on but I have kept a watching eye on things and am generally knowledgeable in a non-specific sense on the topic. Oldusgitus (talk) 08:26, 30 July 2014 (UTC)
Actually, you would probably be surprised. An understanding of physics generally requires learning older out-dated models first, and generally expands from there. By the end of my undergraduate career, the vast majority of my physics knowledge was dated to the early 1900s, with the exception of some tidbits from condensed matter and particle physics. The thing is that the basic theories underlying many of these fields have been around for some time, and it's been mostly details or supporting evidence that has changed. I can't speak for the rest of the world, but for most physics graduates I've spoken to (and I'm in this group as well), undergraduate physics tends to be a shotgun blast of very general material that is basically always outdated. I didn't get into developments that could be considered modern until I started into graduate school, where the subject of one's research is substantially more narrow. The majority of my knowledge about quantum mechanics that's newer than the 1940s came from graduate school. - Grant (talk) 21:25, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Hobby Lobby firing pregnant woman

To whoever posted this, THANK YOU!! Wahahaha! Sophophobe (talk) 17:07, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

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