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[edit] Ukraine

With all sympathy for the Maidan Protesters, and all enmity towards Putin, I think that it is no cause for celebration if the newloy elected "Consensus" President pulls a Ghaddafi the very first day after the election by bombing his own country!

[edit] Teresa Forcades

Teresa Forcades is an anti-vaxxer, are you sure you want to promote her in a wiki like this? I don't really think we need more like her only because she leans a little more to the » that the tipical nun.

[edit] Regarding current happenings in Venezuela

I'm not really sure what's happening. The main sources of information *I've* come across for this have... let's say they've had issues... https://twitter.com/AmendozaPot/status/434328609096876032/photo/1/large or https://twitter.com/monterocnn/status/434495653209985024 . Pictures from CNN, ABC, and others have been reusing pictures from Egypt, Syria, and Singapore... I remember the times article as having had come under fire for doing the same, but I can't find much evidence or counter-evidence for the story. I'm not finding many places reporting regardless - googling and using duckduckgo to depth of five pages is mostly sending me to yahoo or to things that happened in the 80s. I originally found out about it via a post on imgur, which I took at face value, but came back to it later and noticed it had an iconic still from a video of people locked up in a stadium in Honduras singing Quilapayún's "El pueblo unido" to protest the dictator president our CIA installed... And then by the time I was going to go back to it the post was... removed...

I really don't want to go into conspiracy territory, I really don't want to have to apologize for Chavez's idiots. But I'm not able to find any information any which way regarding this, and it's bothering me. So what I'm asking for is - are there additional (true) sources we can back the incidents up with? Does anyone have more info on the picture misinformation (have more people been caught)? And if the latter wasn't your reason for downvoting the NYT, what was?

Apologies for lack of an account...

[edit] "Male reporter molested at Men's rights conference"

The real story is with the comments below. Mostly from men (with a middle-aged woman joining in), they take turns challenging the author's masculinity more than "Ken". It really is like the MRA stereotype, there (of the "if she doesn't scream, it isn't rape" variety) before concluding that it is a Feminist propaganda piece.-- (talk) 18:18, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

That's comment sections for you. Personally, I only really have two observations about this article. First: the title seems a bit on the sensationalist side (as super-ultra-creeptastic as Mr. Malibu was. Egads.), and second: at one point the author says something along the lines of:
All of these problems stem from treating the sexes unequally. It would appear that despite all of their comments thread flame wars, MRAs and feminists are more or less fighting for the same things — gender equality. So why can’t they get along?
Oh, if only psychology, sociology, and life were so simple. Noir LeSable (talk) 21:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
You might as well ask why all world religions can't get along. Vulpius (talk) 21:35, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
A lot of people see 'rights' as a zero-sum game. If women have more, men have less, the 'thinking' goes. (Just like the way the Emancipation Proclamation resulted in white people being enslaved.) --Gulik (talk) 00:41, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
If you look at the Twitter profile of the writer there's an interesting conversation about this, it turns out the guy was creeping on a few of the reporters there: [1]. I would say that Elam would be quite pissed right now, what with him asking their readers to be on their best behaviour for the conference, but A Voice for Men are already doing a pretty good job of making the movement look bad themselves [2] (yes, that's a sixteen year old Miley Cyrus) --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 21:36, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
I suspect the creep is either a botched attempt at some kind of sting, or a deliberate troll. It isn't like there aren't plenty of people who seem not to like these guys. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 04:42, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
It wouldn't surprise me if he was a real MRA or a troll --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 05:55, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Turns out they endorse what happened... sort of... "Paul Elam saddened to turn away a clearly troubled man in search of human contact because of accusations of "molestation" from MSM #icim14" --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 08:48, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Possum drop

I upvoted it as kudos to the North Carolina legislature standing up to the PETA bullies. Whether the event is cruel to opossums is something I find difficult to care about. We're talking about primitive vermin that's the roadkill champion of the world around here. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 04:06, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I downvoted it because it's a shoddy article that belongs better in blogs than news. Might have voted differently for some more informative coverage. WeaseloidWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 11:13, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
I know, right. What kind of bully would dare to vocally express disagreement with dropping creatures from such a height that trauma is likely to occur? I remember that it was a cultural event in school to trip people down flights of stairs. I remember feeling that it was hard to care about, the targets being the champions of getting harassed and called "fag", even somehow managing to get shoved into garbage cans on a regular basis. I actually remember their going through a similar spate of bullying to the one described in the article where people were telling them that deliberately tripping people that were generally disliked was "demented" and "still attempted murderers regardless of how unpopular the victims were", even "possibly having anti-social personality disorder". I was happy when the state legislature passed a bill and stood up to the bullies by declaring that their tripping of people down flights of stairs was exempt from extant state laws against murder and manslaughter. As we all know as expressed early in this, it is only cruel and unusual if the target is well liked and verbally expressing disagreement with the act is bullying. (Just in case, yes, this edit was sarcastic.) Crow7878 (talk) 03:03, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k76IGLi6jWI&feature=kp ApostateAtLarge (talk) 17:34, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Shaking our heads in disbelief at SCOTUS

We are indeed wondering WTF is going on, but at the cases not the decisions. We're wondering why, in 2014, it's down to an employer instead of the individual and/or the state (as in nation state) to provide contraception. We're wondering what kind of time warp allows a union closed shop in the 21st century. London Grump (talk) 23:14, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Don't understand what you're getting at in your second point. Closed shops generally vary in legality around the world, but have been banned in the US since the 1948 Taft-Hartley Act. The SCOTUS is slowly chipping away at the agency shop (in this case, regarding the public sector), where workers have to pay union dues despite not being a member of a union — exactly what right-to-work advocates want. Osaka Sun (talk) 23:44, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Governor Crazy of Maine


  1. How did he manage to hide most of this shit under the national spotlight for the last four years? We noticed him less than we did Jon Huntsman.
  2. I understand that he got into office because the left split the vote (Dems nominating a Blue Dog + the Independent candidate agreeing to strategic voting all but guarantees it won't recur), but will it continue to be the norm for extreme-right, caricature Republicans to run in the Northeast? Osaka Sun (talk) 06:39, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't even know how he can keep his office, since these guys are LEGALLY a terrorist group, as deemed by the FBI. Isn't consorting with them a crime? --Revolverman (talk) 09:42, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
If this were a muslim terrorist group, there wouldn't be a press conferences, conservatives coming ignoring this story, or anything. His ass would be in jail so fast, that this would be a done issue in a day. But no. They're white, libertarian, christians, so we have to just let bygones be bygones. I'm sure the conservative media would have the same measured response if it were Obama or some other democrat meeting up with a left wing terrorist group.

[edit] thought crimes and cannibal cops

This seems like no win situation for the police. Do nothing and get some horrendous crime of which people ask why didn't they step in sooner, act to soon and you lock up some harmless loon for thought crimes and venting on the internet. AMassiveGay (talk) 18:57, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

I would say they acted appropriately. They took the threat seriously and the justice system determined that it was a false positive. Anyway It's not like these things never work, I'm reminded of a case a number of years back where a fellow said he would burn his school down. newgrounds which is not exactly a moral bastion promptly found the guy's personal data and called the local police. the guy and he was arrested going to school and caught with matches and gasoline. Here's the summary that I found at the time http://rig.newgrounds.com/news/post/281646 and apparently newgrounds now has a fucking wiki with an article about it too but I think rig's summary is better

[edit] A+++ work Abbott

You've made Steven Harper look like a caring and intelligent leader. That's nothing short of a god damn miracle. --Revolverman (talk) 14:44, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] In Scotland draping bacon round the doors of a mosque merits a year in prison.

while it doesn't merit any prison time, it certainly reveals a couple of terrible assholes at work. Father Vivian O'Blivion talkModerator 17:44, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm not supporting what they did, it only radicalises the Muslims more. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:46, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
You know what else does that, I'll bet? Referring to them as an undifferentiated block of radicals. Father Vivian O'Blivion talkModerator 18:12, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Goodpost.gif - David Gerard (talk) 10:15, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
it does kind of add fuel to the fire doesn't it. I dunno bout a year in prison but some sentence is warranted. I dunno if its a hate crime specifically, not quite that serious, but in that kinda ball park. Everyone know pork is a big no no for muslims, they vwould have known the distress it could cause and there is no 'free speech' issue here. It is the same level of daubing 'wogs go home' on the door. I think muslim communities already feel beseiged from the likes of ukip and edf and shitty red tops and dubious foreign policy. I'd rather not tar all Muslims with the radical brush, but there is a problem with radicalisation of Muslims in the UK at present, as seen by the many? British Muslims fighting in Syria and Iraq and I think in, somalia. Throwing bacon at them is only gonna aid the more radical preachers. AMassiveGay (talk) 09:53, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I would approve if they got many hours hours community service and/or were ordered to attend equality and diversity training courses. Proxima Centauri (talk) 18:07, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
It's a harsh sentence in itself, but maybe it's meant to discourage other people doing the same thing and triggering a riot. Casionaut (talk) 19:14, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Is there any possibility that they will be released early onto parole with good behavior in prison? That's possible in America but I know nothing about other countries parole laws(not that I know all that much about the USA's parole laws for that matter)--NonPerson (talk) 01:28, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] That ugly meme

I suggest that this news item gets edited out. Although I am sure that the person who added it had no bad intentions, I think we should not increase the amount of people who see that meme. Let's just hope that it calms down soon enough. My comment here should then be deleted, too. Sophophobe (talk) 16:30, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Keep hatred from spreading, or put as many eyes as possible on the hatred so that people know they live in a society where hatred thrives and are possibly motivated to do a little tiny something about it? I'm willing to bet most people here go for the latter. Father Vivian O'Blivion talkModerator 16:44, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
A lot of the twitter links now point at missing pages, which I take to be a good sign. Not sure what to think about the balance between withholding publicity in the spirit of DFTT, or shining some of Justice Brandeis's sunlight on it. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 16:55, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
RationalWiki has a tendency to flock to wherever the worst crap out there is and focus as much attention on it as possible. It's not always the best course of action, but hey, at least RW has established itself as such and people won't be surprised to find the worst of the worst here. If you don't want to see it, you know which website not to go to. Nullahnung (talk) 17:04, 13 July 2014 (UTC)
I figured I should at least change the news source to one that doesn't link to the hashtag or examples of the meme so I found a different website for it --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 11:51, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
I found it mildly amusing that when I visited the link, the suggested next clickbait story apparently involved looking at a series of 25 pictures of Kim Kardashian's arse. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:25, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Oh yeah I picked the source solely because it didn't link to the meme or hashtag itself, most articles did --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 15:17, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
As an American, she has an ass, not an arse - David Gerard (talk) 15:58, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
I agree that if posting such news generally helps to decrease, or at least monitor hatred in a respectful way, it could be preferred over the chance to calm things down quickly. Especially here at RW where people generally read the news to get informed about just that kind of stuff. The quote of the assaulted girl that can be found under the new link now actually gives me confidence that she would approve this posting. There is a situation, though, when I would still disappreciate sharing a similar affair: that is, when it's not yet certain whether that thing goes viral or not and posting it here might become the metaphorical final straw. In this case I would kindly encourage people to wait for a few hours and then reconsider sharing it. Sophophobe (talk) 18:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, failing better sources, it would be possible to rehost the text of a news article on the subject using Blogspot or Tumblr without direct links or the name of the hashtag. It's not like this sort of thing happens frequently but it would mean that we aren't giving the meme traffic or further spreading the images. I am happy that she is holding together, god knows what strength that takes --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 20:36, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Spiders on drugs

Been around for a very long time. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 14:19, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

I was sad we never saw the crack spider's bitch. --Revolverman (talk) 20:44, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] The guy who tried to proselytize people on his job

The lawyers representing the firm isnt even trying. Shouldn't the reason for termination be "Causing distress to others" or something along that line? I seriously believe if people are to the point of complaining about the proselytism, that should be enough grounds of dismissal because the guy who complain has a right not to listen to this kind of things, regardless of what religion or lack thereof. Seriously, "religious liberty" should not include the right to annoy other people about your religion or the lack thereof. ThiehInsomnia? Masturbate till you pass out 15:55, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Ben Stein Sexting Scandal

Actually, there was one thing to ease someone into it, but I never put it in Clogs because I was unsure of when the darn thing was published. He wrote in the American Spectator about his tendency to talk to attractive women and get their contact information when he's away lecturing, with one wanting him to help her become a rich, successful writer. Heck, there's even this text from her to him after she broke up with her boyfriend who got her pregnant. “I know, but I’ll just be a single mom. Will you help me out?”User:PsychoGecko 19:09, 23 July 2014

The best thing about this is to imagine the texts being read aloud in the Ben Stein voice. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 19:31, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Halbig v. Burwell Rulings

So I'm sure most of you know (or at the very least should know if you follow America politics) about the two different rulings which ere divided along partisan lines in the US Court of Appeals in the DC Circuit and the US Court of Appeals for the fourth circuit. The partisan nature of this divide is obvious and only an idiot would deny that, the attempt to deprive millions of Americans of affordable healthcare because of what basically amounts to a typo is to be quite honest, disgusting. However I would like to know from any legal experts out there what exactly this ruling would do to the Afordable Care Act. This beltway conservative professor from George Mason University, Ilya Somin (his other work seems to suggest that he has a libertarian bent but seems to be more in line with Chicago school economics than Austrian school economics which means that he at least is not completely crazy) wrote in the Washington Post that this ruling if it were to stand would have little affect on the law as he argues that it would leave the law intact and give states the choice to set up an exchange [3]. I'm not interested in political rhetoric (hell I believed and still believed in a "public option" health care reform) I just want to whether or not this guy's arguments are BS or not. In any case please feel free to share your thoughts on how ridiculous (the "framers" of this bill were fairly clear about what they wanted it to accomplish) this ruling is as a whole. Alsto003 (talk) 16:55, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that 36 states still haven't set up an exchange — the law is designed to provide "backup" coverage if legislatures (GOP-dominated, and you can't deny that) indefinitely choose not to. Hell, even the conservative dissent in National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius admitted to it. The challenge's survival literally rests on five members of the SCOTUS having to reverse their own positions 2+ years after the fact, which (even after some of the more dumbfounding rulings the Roberts court has made) seems too crazy to stomach. Osaka Sun (talk) 17:41, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
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