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[edit] Schlafly sr. ceases her earthly existence

Very disrespectful headline if you ask me. Mrs Schlafly was not an evil person and does not deserve to be mocked, neither does Andy if any are thinking of doing so, please change this headline.--Mercian (talk) 01:37, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Troll another Jewish conspiracy by (((Laurogeita Hamabost))) (talk) 01:45, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
I changed it to something more respectable.--Mercian (talk) 01:49, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
I changed it to something funny, but fitting. Robledo (talk) 02:07, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Let's be better than Andy and not dance on others' graves. --Night Jaguar (talk) 02:16, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Thought I struck quite a nice balance - summat that might even have made her chuckle. Robledo (talk) 02:26, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Let's not and take pleasure in the fact of her death.
Bullshit. She was fucking evil to the core and deserves all the mockery she gets. Her son Andy is just a stupider evil, but not less evil for it. --Castaigne2 (talk) 16:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

I think not only should we dance on her grave, we should sing while we do it. Who's in for some music? another Jewish conspiracy by (((Laurogeita Hamabost))) (talk) 02:30, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Pretty fucking disgusting. If Hillary got a knot in her colostomy bag and the bile backed up to give her fatal dose of blood poisoning just before election day, would you be laughing about that, too?nobsGary Johnson for Rehab! 02:40, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Mu (negative)[wp] another Jewish conspiracy by (((Laurogeita Hamabost))) (talk) 02:45, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Actually, yeah, if that happened or she actually had a colostomy bag, that would be pretty fucking funny. --Castaigne2 (talk) 16:32, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
I'll join in on that. --Castaigne2 (talk) 16:31, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Yay, let's get some shawarma, vodka, and bacon and get smashed!!--The (((Kigel))) (talk) (mail) 17:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC) 17:10, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

(Looks left, looks right) Alright, i think I know whats going on Rationalwiki. Sure, she gave you a hard time but now... Its over, isn't it? You fought, you spared, and you snarked and now your rival is gone. So, its over isn't it? And now you have to move on. (talk) 17:06, 6 September 2016 (UTC)krashlia

Her son is still around. Besides, we have long ceased being the Conservapedia parody headquarters... another Jewish conspiracy by (((Laurogeita Hamabost))) (talk) 18:51, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Looks like soon after his mother passed Andy chose to honor her by posting this quote from the Washington Post:

Mrs. Schlafly drove feminists nuts

Not how I would memorialize the woman who gave birth to me, but hey, it's fitting to both Andy and Phyllis. --Night Jaguar (talk) 23:56, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

While it is plausible that his trusworthy encyclopedia is a result of his relationship with his mom, it's a bit besides the point for us to speculate about that. It's if anything his business. Unless he makes it other people's business. another Jewish conspiracy by (((Laurogeita Hamabost))) (talk) 19:05, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

[edit] The Facebook WIGO

What would you say if you found the same article quoted at Metapedia but instead the commentary said something like "(((Mark Zuckerberg))) collaborates with (((Benjamin Netanyahu))) to silence criticism of Israel"? What do you mean arguing for the sake of argument? 20:43, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

I likely wouldn't believe it at all unless they had reputable sources being cited. I'm not actually familiar enough with the Intercept to know if they are generally considered to be credible or not, so I'm not sure whether I buy this at the moment. I would believe it in general, simply because internet companies tend to be completely spineless about this sort of thing in general like when Google folded to China. Arawn Emrys (talk) 13:53, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Nice Israel apologism, LH. Greenwald runs it with several other ex-Guardian writers. The Intercept is owned by Pierre Omidyar, the owner of PayPal and the one who blocked finds for Wikileaks when Manning released those files. So they are fairly mainstream.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 16:41, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
To be fair, in retrospect, wikileaks is looking increasingly insane, and that act is looking increasingly reasonable as a result. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 17:01, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
In 2013 it was an act spawned to appeal to power. If it happened today then it wouldn't have been as problematic. Regardless, my point is that Greenwald isn't saying anything controversial because he appeals to power.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 17:04, 14 September 2016 (UTC)
Greenwald's positions are mainstream in Gaza, not in the US.--The (((Kigel))) (talk) (mail) 17:17, 25 September 2016 (UTC) 17:17, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Protests erupt in Charlotte, North Carolina after police officers kill a man they mistook as their suspect.

Just suggesting minor corrections, don't want to annoy whoever named it.

First off, I haven't seen any claims or evidence that North Carolina police officers shot and killed this man simply because they mistook him for a suspect. Even the source that this entry links to seems to make no claim that mistaking the man for a suspect had any part in his killing. It seems irrelevant, even if not factually wrong.

But maybe I'm wrong, I clicked this link because I'm completely ignorant on the matter, and was looking for facts. In that case, another source with more/better information might be more suiting.

Second, according to police officers, the man was shot because he was armed. I have not seen any clarification on whether this means he simply had a gun on him, or he was seriously presenting a deadly threat to officers at the time, but it may be worth noting the officer's claim that the man "was armed" in the title.

Trying to not sound like an alt-right NRA member

Bad @ splleing... (talk) 18:39, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Just a reflection on the state of police-black relations in America: things are so bad that even when an bad guy gets capped by the cops, the black people still riot. Sorry state of affairs that needs to be fixed through policy implementation. Pbfreespace2 (talk) 23:18, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
I think even guilty people have a right to a fair trial. And a right to not be shot by police in the street. I am not the Ombud's man 23:24, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
That's a great plan, but who's going to put the bell on that cat? CorruptUser (talk) 23:26, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Bell? Cat? Am I stupid or are you using obscure idioms? I am not the Ombud's man 23:29, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Aesop's fable. A group of mice have a meeting to try and decide what to do about the cat. A young mouse says "The problem is the cat is so stealthy! If that cat had a bell around its neck, we'd be safe forever!" Most of the mice cheer at the brilliance of this idea, until an old mouse says "that's great and all, but who is to bell the cat?"
It's a great idea, having the police bring in every suspect and even those that are dangers to the public be brought before a jury instead of the police officer becoming Judge Dredd, but how do you realistically expect to do that? The police aren't paid too well to begin with, and if you require them to bring in virtually everyone and risk their lives even more, well, it's probably not going to happen. My suggestion has always been a simple "no shots" bonus for the police that they lose if they ever fire their gun. Nothing so big that they wouldn't shoot when it actually is necessary, but enough so that killing a person doesn't mean suspended with pay for 2 weeks, aka "paid vacation". CorruptUser (talk) 23:38, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
Guns are of course the elephant in the room here. But several shootings in the past have happened against unarmed people. And I for one think that fleeing perpetrators should be chased after, not shot. Unless there is immediate risk to the life of either the officer in question or others, shooting should not be considered. Only if immediate risk cannot be dispatched off by any other means should shooting be an option. And while I like your pay idea, the problem is that underpaid cops are the most likely source of corruption there is. I have been to countries where cops make less than teachers or small merchants. The results are not pretty. I am not the Ombud's man 23:49, 21 September 2016 (UTC)
The NBC article opens by saying "Hundreds of protesters demonstrated in Charlotte, N.C., overnight after police confirmed they had shot and killed a man while they were seeking a different person" and finishes with "Police said in a statement that officers searching for a suspect with an outstanding warrant about 4 p.m. ET when they saw a man exit his vehicle "armed with a firearm." Maybe I am jumping to conclusions but I am giving the benefit of the doubt.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 01:16, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
I don't understand how encountering a new problem while looking to solve a current problem automatically means that officers conflated both problems. Now to be clear, I'm not saying they didnt, merely that I don't see enough factual evidence to support that assertion. This is assuming of course, that the police's claim of the man being an immediate danger is even true obviously. Bad @ splleing... (talk) 19:56, 22 September 2016 (UTC)
I have changed the text. Ironically, my assumption likely gave the cops more good faith.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 17:46, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Palmer Luckey, Oculus founder apologizes... sort of


"I am deeply sorry that my actions are negatively impacting the perception of Oculus and its partners.The recent news stories about me do not accurately represent my views."

He then says "I contributed $10,000 to Nimble America because I thought the organization had fresh ideas on how to communicate with young voters through the use of several billboards."

For me, apology not granted. He might not support Trump, but he donated to an organization of assholes. "Fresh ideas", lol. LEFTYGREENMARIO 02:40, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

The author of the Daily Beast article also called this nonpology out as lies and bullshit - David Gerard (talk) 17:13, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Battle of Aleppo

So the government announced the operation to retake the city today, and an intense aerial bombardment makes sense in order to demoralize and soften up the enemy before the ground assault. I wouldn't be surprised if the bombardment lasts many weeks, as the longer the army bombards, the less casualties they're going to have. This battle may determine the outcome of the western side of the war, militarily and politically. PbFreespace (talk) 03:25, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

I doubt the US will allow them to win. They already have illegal bases in Syria thanks to the YPG and they have convinced Turkey to invade with ground troops. I don't think they would outright bomb Assad's troops in Aleppo but they, with the Aussies and Brits, already bombed them in Deir ez-Zor; they could justify this as another "accident" since Obama has already agreed to bomb Fatah al-Sham using the AUMF from 2001.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 03:33, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
A note on civilians, many of them aren't allowed to leave and many of them likely don't want to. I think it is highly likely that Assad will see nothing wrong with carpet bombing the city so expect a high amount of dead civilians.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 03:38, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
The one advantage of ISIS having exterminated so many innocents beforehand is that you don't have to worry so much about innocents being collateral. If it's the only feasible way to take that city, shikata ga nai. CorruptUser (talk) 03:50, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
And just like GayJay and the rest of the media, you apparently don't know that Daesh isn't even in Aleppo.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 04:35, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Ah, yes, you are correct; they are a distant 5 miles away from the city. Forgive me if I've had a bit of fatigue when it comes to Syria, where the least reprehensible group, the PKK, is still a terrorist organization. CorruptUser (talk) 05:10, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Sorry if might snark pissed you off. Ultimately, nothing good can come from this war; I don't believe any faction cares about anyone but their own.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 05:58, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
Nah, not pissed off. And I'm certain that most of those factions don't even care about their own. Assad was massacring civilians before the war started (and I do sympathize with his current supporters; if it's a choice between Stalin and Pol Pot you choose Stalin), the biggest other groups are a mixture of Islamic Front, Al Qaeda, and ISIS who all believe it's ok to kill innocent muslims if they are between you and your goals, and really the only major group left are the Kurds. Strange that you don't see much news about Christian or Druze groups. Are they all backing Assad? The Druze aren't known for rebellion, as far as I know. CorruptUser (talk) 06:30, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
There are three ethnic factions besides the Kurds from what I have read: the Druze support Assad because the Islamosts which dominate the rebels want the dead but the no longer fight outside of their territory in the South, the Christians are among the Shia who fight in the national militia, and the Turkmen support the mercenaries and Islamists who make up the FSA.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 06:36, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
The Turkmen are in the northwest IIRC, and only made the news when they killed that Russian pilot. I think they mostly make up proxy militias for Turkey, and of course the FSA which is likely also a quasi-proxy for Turkey, kind of. Not too sure if they are involved with the Islamists. Though in all honesty, I'm not even sure if the FSA isn't just yet another Islamist group anyway... CorruptUser (talk) 06:45, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
The Turkmen are in Northern Syria. The FSA used to have Shia and a few Druze militias along with leftists and secularists but they have since been hollowed out by Islamists, at least in the North. The FSA branch in the South has, AFAIK, resisted a full fledge alliance with Fatah al-Sham but they aren't tolerant of the Druze; currently they are trying to take a Druze town from Assad.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 06:51, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

Allow my expertise to come in. The Druze militias themselves stick to the south, but there are prominent Druze commanders who are Syrian nationalists that fight all over the country. The most prominent example is Issam Zahreddine, who fought ISIS at Hasakah and is currently leading the Syrian Army against ISIS in the besieged city Deir Ezzor, far to the east. Obama agreed to fight Jabhat Fateh al-Sham according to the ceasefire agreement, but he has still refused to do so since the ceasefire didn't really last (massive hour-long airstrike against Syrian Army anyone?). Turkmen are mostly concentrated in the northwest, fighting either in FSA, Islamic brigades, or in the Turkish proxy Sultan Murad Brigade. However, there are a good deal of Turkmen fighting alongside their Kurdish and Arab brothers in the Syrian Democratic Forces. Many of the commanders in SDF's last offensive were Turkmen. Also, it goes without saying that there are some Turkmen scoundrels who joined ISIS and fight with them even today.

I hope that clears some things up for you. PBfreespace (talk) 13:35, 25 September 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Marijuana cigarette shooting

Damn it! I looked this one up right before posting it and didn't find anything problematic on it.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 15:39, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

What did you look it up on? I couldn't find any mainstream sources reporting on it but I guess some may have picked it up without realising. I was more shocked by the breastfeeding shooting (mentioned & linked within the marijuana story) but it was pretty easy to confirm this as fake with Snopes etc. ΨΣΔξΣΓΩΙÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 18:15, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
I just looked up the title and I didn't see anything debunking it.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 18:27, 24 September 2016 (UTC)
That's why we should always mention the source in WIGO entries. I am not the Ombud's man 19:09, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

[edit] 9/11 Lawsuit Bill Passed

Now that the brave Congress has overridden the president's misguided veto, maybe the families of the 9/11 victims can finally get justice from the true perpetrator of 9/11: Saudi Arabia. Pbfreespace (talk) 20:30, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

I look forward to the media spectacle trials that achieve nothing. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 20:34, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
What I look forward to the most is a souring of relations between Saudi Arabia and America, which will have positive effects in the Syrian War, and possibly the Yemeni war as well. Unfortunately, a lot of the weapons shipments have already been finalized, so there will still be much carnage. But hopefully the Yemeni and Syrian governments will be able to make progress if US-Saudi support subsides. PЬFЯЗЭSPДCЗ (talk) 20:51, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
I agree with you but for different reasons. I think Saudi Arabia and the US having worse relations could prove a very good thing. Wahhabism could end up weakened and oil prices could rise. What's not to like? I am not the Ombud's man 21:37, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Alright, who'd be the realistic alternative to the 2nd worst (they've been the worst, but DAESH outdid their salafi buddies) Islamist regime of the Middle East?--The (((Kigel))) (talk) (mail) 22:00, 28 September 2016 (UTC) 22:00, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
@PBf You know who else wanted a souring of US-Saudi relations? Osama. That was what he was trying to accomplish with 9/11.
But the reason the bill is a bad idea, is that Saudi Arabia isn't the only one with clandestine operations. In specific, another, larger country also does clandestine operations, and this bill opens the floodgates for everyone else to sue the US...
@Kigel 3rd. Saudi Arabia is not worse than the Iranians. CorruptUser (talk) 23:15, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
Women in Iran have it better than in Saudi Arabia (that's not hanging the bar really high, I know) and (some) religious minorities also have it better there (again not hanging the bar really high). But yes, both are Islamist shitholes.--The (((Kigel))) (talk) (mail) 00:00, 29 September 2016 (UTC) 00:00, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
@CU Yes, Saudi Arabia is far worse than Iran. Women are treated like shit, immigrants are treated like shit, there are sex slaves, they don't even pretend to care about democracy, they don't even pretend to care about committing war crimes in Yemen, they fund Wahhabism around the world, and everyone is persecuted. Also, who the fuck cares if OBL wanted to sour US-Saudi relations, that has nothing to do with whether we should prop up that anachronistic regime. There is only one ideal way that shitstain should end.
Anyways, the only problem I have with the bill is that the Senate inserted an amentment, the Stay of Actions Pending State Negotiations, which allows the secretary of state to simply “certify” that the U.S. is “engaged in good-faith discussions with the foreign-state defendant concerning the resolution of claims against the foreign state.”--Owlman (talk) (mail) 02:42, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

Is it possible that Obama knew his veto would be overruled and actually wanted the law to pass but thought a veto would be a low risk move with foreign policy benefits and few real costs (he is at the tail end of his second term anyway) I am not the Ombud's man 16:07, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

It's not always 7th dimensional chess. He could have thought the law was a bad idea(and it really is) and expressed that through one of the constitutional powers specifically enumerated to the president. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 16:10, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
What was the pre-veto vote? I am not the Ombud's man 16:38, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
Unrecorded voice votes in both chambers. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 16:41, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
That does not usually indicate a narrow majority, right? I am not the Ombud's man 16:45, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
You are correct. A voice vote may be challenged by any member of the assembly and forced to a counted vote. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 16:47, 29 September 2016 (UTC)
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