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[edit] Bernie thing

I've definitely noticed the conspiracy theory quality of rhetoric coming in supporting Sanders now. Is that just an inevitability of playing the outsider game? When he first started gaining a popularity, it wasn't like this. Is it just tribalism in the face of an apparent electoral defeat reaching for any tool available? What happened? ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 14:36, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Meh, I would say it was always there but now it is more prevalent.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 14:38, 19 May 2016 (UTC) 14:38, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
As Sanders continues to fall behind, the conspiracy-mongers are getting increasingly angry. And Bernie is responsible for encouraging this. Typhoon (talk) 14:46, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
No he isn't. Even if he denounces this stuff it wouldn't go away.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 15:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC) 15:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
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"For weeks, some current and former Sanders campaign workers have privately acknowledged feeling disheartened about Mr. Weaver’s determination to go after the Democratic National Committee, fearing a pitched battle with the party they hope to support in the general election. The intraparty fighting has affected morale, they say, and raised concerns that Mr. Weaver, a longtime Sanders aide who more recently ran a comic book store, was not devoted to achieving Democratic unity. Several described the campaign’s message as having devolved into a near-obsession with perceived conspiracies on the part of Mrs. Clinton’s allies."
Yes he is, Owlman. Politifact was recently debunking conspiracy theories that Sanders is enabling by letting Weaver go crazy. Typhoon (talk) 15:33, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
So he is going after the DNC. That doesn't prove he is perpetuating conspiracies.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 15:44, 19 May 2016 (UTC) 15:44, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Umm, did your eyes failed you when reading the last couple sentences in the quotebox? Typhoon (talk) 16:06, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Yeah I read that several anonymous people believe it is a conspiracy fueled campaign. Besides being skeptical of that article it is still an article that opens with "Sanders is willing to damage Clinton" as if she wasn't damaged before.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 16:11, 19 May 2016 (UTC) 16:11, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Tribalism is a lazy argument. Withoutaname (talk) 15:39, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Unless I seriously did something to suggest I was JAQing off, could you not treat a question as an assertion. Please and thank you. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 19:03, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
I think that people are assuming that there is a centralized conspiracy when this is how primaries have been run and the American election system has significant problems.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 19:12, 19 May 2016 (UTC) 19:12, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

Nah it's largely been like this from the beginning, but Bernie fans have been bottling all the conspiracy stuff up because they wanted to win. Now that it seems like there's no chance, they're throwing everything at the wall and unleashing the dogs of the internet. It's true, this year was supposed to be Hillary's crowning primary to many party insiders. The DNC did not adequately prepare for this possibility and when it came about, they handled it the wrong way, which is why I do think DWS should step down and the DNC be more deferent to those that voted for Bernie. However, the madness has got to stop. I know whenever someone says something they don't like they started yawping about "proof", but it's really all over the place. You can go on any website frequented by Bernie supporters and it's just a giant circle jerk of conspiracy theory, namecalling, and naked tribalism. Whether or not Bernie says he "condones" it or not is largely beside the point, he has fed these conspiracy theories by never explicitly calling them out, and fostering the atmosphere that the "deck was stacked against him" even though he lost by every democratic measure. So they throw out red herrings about superdelegates- which would require them to do the undemocratic thing and support Bernie because he wants them to- and conspiracy theories. He talks like Donald Trump or some kind of Gamergater. "Oh no, you shouldn't harass people, but the person I'm totally not harassing is really really bad and I sympathize with the people who harassed her!" It's ridiculous, and I'm glad at least some progressive website had the courage to go against the Bros and point out how ridiculous it is. Hentropy (talk) 21:38, 19 May 2016 (UTC)

That's a convenient narrative you've got in place there. It lets you avoid examining the true reasons behind the frustration of Bernie Sanders supporters as well as the apparent success behind Clinton's establishment centrism, the "lesser evilism" practice in politics. Even though his loss was inevitable, dismissing Sanders supporters, like Trump supporters, will exacerbate the problem. Withoutaname (talk) 21:51, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
I don't really care at this point. I'm not really a Hillary supporter, which often puts me in a tight spot. Bernie fans (I am just barely stopping myself from calling them Bros over and over, but only because some of the women act the same way) have basically threatened to split the party for months now if Hillary supporters don't give them a lap dance and tell them how great they are all the time. They tried that for months and it didn't work. Hillary was just a war criminal shill whose wall street bucks fuel the evil American Killing Machine and everyone who doesn't agree with them loves drinking the blood of Syrian refugees and working poor, and nothing was going to sway them, not even a Trump presidency. If you'd prefer Trump to Clinton, then as far as I'm concerned you're a Trump supporter and should be treated as such. I won't be voting for either one of them anyway. Sure, Bernie fans have legit grievances, just as the Tea Party and Trump supports have some very real, legitimate grievances with a system and the government and all that jazz. But if you act like a child, you get treated like one, even if an 8 o'clock bed time is totally, really unfair. Hentropy (talk) 22:02, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
It's more important to look past the tone of their message and understand where they're coming from. Same with Trump attracting working class and rural whites. I don't see anything wrong with their "conspiracy theories" when they seem to be slowly realizing what should have been obvious from the beginning of this election, that the decks were stacked against them in the first place. Also why haven't you voted for Jill Stein? Withoutaname (talk) 22:13, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
It's not about the tone, it's about the content. Sanders certainly doesn't have a "tone" problem from my eyes, it's a content problem. Nothing about it has been a "conspiracy", it's all been out in the open. Sanders had to come from nothing and do his own fundraising because no one knew who he was and no one took his campaign seriously in the beginning. Democratic party officials don't particularly like him, because he just become a Democrat last year to run for President, and during his time in Congress he's done no fundraising or organizational efforts for Democrats, and if Barney Frank (the progressive hero before Sanders came to town) is to be believed, he doesn't work well with others because he's a pompous egotist and purist behind closed doors. He did a good job of conveying his message early in the campaign, and pushed Clinton to the left on some issues, bringing other pertinent issues to the forefront. If he was the nominee, I'd probably vote for him, where I probably won't with Hillary. That does not mean, however, that I'm obligated to apologize for his supporters extremist and misogynistic drivel that he has coddled and provided ammo for in the later stages of the campaign. When the general does come around, and since I live in a tiny and largely inconsequential state, I will vote for a third party that most aligns with my ideas, and that person will not be likely not be Jill Stein, who is an anti-science moonbat on more than one issue. Hentropy (talk) 22:32, 19 May 2016 (UTC)
Well, Clintonites acted the same way and Hillary never denounced their behavior. Now I would like Sanders to denounce violence w/o a non-sequester and I would like Clinton to denouce racism w/o dog whistling about "national origins" but this is out of the candidates control and not unique.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 01:37, 20 May 2016 (UTC) 01:37, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
Clinton dropped out before the convention when it was clear it was over, and went on to campaign for Obama. The PUMAs were ridiculed and ignored, and they fell away into obscurity. Maybe now #BernieorBust will slip into the same obscurity and the internet extremists and conspiracy theorists will prove to be as tiny as some hope they are. But these demands from the Bernie camp that people who want a Democrat to win the election have to grovel and beg them for forgiveness even though many of them have shown zero respect for moderate Democrats or the party at large, they can screw off in my opinion. Hentropy (talk) 17:34, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

Hentropy, would you be kind enough to fill me in on Stein's anti-science views? We don't have an article on her, so I'm not up to date. I am considering endorsing her if Hillary gets the nomination, as well as voting for her. What about her science views is bad enough to negate all of the other issues she's so great on? Pbfreespace3 (talk) 01:52, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

She panders to those who are against nuclear energy and those who are against vaccines and for homeopathy; keep in mind she is a medical doctor. Green parties, in general, tend to be against GMOs.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 02:26, 20 May 2016 (UTC) 02:26, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
One of the reasons I'm so pissed at Gerhard Gaspromowič Schröder :@ --Kugelschreiber (talk) (mail) (block) 02:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC) 02:41, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
As Owlman pointed out, the Greens tend to pander pretty heavily to the altmed/New Age/hard green crowd. I've generally written the Greens off since they jumped the rails and nominated a fucking 9/11 Truther in 2008. Stein is a significant step up from McKinney, but third parties in general tend to be crank magnets, throwing bones to woo-pushers and true blue conspiracy theorists to inflate their ranks. I'd say I only agree with the Greens a little bit more than I agree with the Libertarians, which isn't saying much. I figure if I'm going to "throw a vote away" with a third party, it might as well be some write-in or something I don't have to compromise so much on. Hentropy (talk) 02:56, 20 May 2016 (UTC)
As if one of the presumptive nominees of a major parties wasn't one of the most famous supporters of a certain recent conspiracy theory. The US is off the rails, careening straight for a massive pileup of bullshit. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 15:38, 20 May 2016 (UTC)

[edit] In which I promote a site where Cracked Commenters fled to

http://thecommentsection.org/ Heads up Hentropy. It's a giant forum site apparently headed by Tesseracts.— Unsigned, by: 108.41.190.141 / talk / contribs

Whats a cracked I would never comment on there it has far too many knuckleheads also who are you. Hentropy (talk) 03:52, 23 May 2016 (UTC)
Cracked.com was once said to have a rather good comment section, sometimes better than the articles (even here in this wiki), but you barely notice it, with all the usual gamergaters and "Oh noes, the SJWs!" persons everywhere.
I guess he means that the comments there are like Cracked ones in earlier articles. Catoblepas (talk) 11:45, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Dannel Malloy

As a Connecticut resident who regularly deals with a state agency facing especially severe budget cuts (DDS, the equivalent may be DMR depending on your state) and has a disability (mine is autism, Malloy's is extremely severe dyslexia and he uses audio transcripts to compensate), disability services is a microcosm of the larger issue. As a very brief summary that necessarily omits a lot of detail, Malloy has repeatedly talked about the need for greater disability services and made a huge show of passing an autism waiver for Medicaid a few years ago. Problem is, the waiver has space for all of 70 people in a place with 3 million+ people and one of the highest cost of living in the world, and that's where his "overhaul" stopped dead. The budget would completely gut not just DDS but all of the agencies who work with them, and without delving too much into the specifics (I can cite them as necessary) it saves the state an immense amount of money to have agencies running these facilities and simultaneously reduces the abuse and neglect rate. Having seen how DDS operates I admit it can sure be tempting to cut their funding (their core problem seems to be missing the forest for the trees, it's largely a direct result of their well intentioned but easily gamed Level of Need process), but actually following the money makes it clear that funding these agencies is a lot more efficient and results in better outcomes than the state government micromanaging it at every level. Instead, there's a token sop to autism that helps 70 people out of a few hundred thousand autistics with an IQ over 69. The union business I only know from afar, so I won't comment on that. I can't bring myself to hate him, as he did prove himself capable of not taking massive kickbacks a la John Rowland (who's still quite fresh in our minds, Malloy is only the 2nd governor since him), but seriously; it takes no more than a modicum of research to learn everything I've written here. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 05:21, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Honestly, haven't even heard of him until I saw him mentioned on the Dem policy commission. I know that he boycotted my state, though, which I dislike but I understand that it was the only way to protest Pence's bigotry. I don't know enough about him to have any substantive opinion but I understand that he is currently cutting the public sector which hurts a lot of people.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 05:44, 30 May 2016 (UTC) 05:44, 30 May 2016 (UTC)
The overarching issue informed people have in CT isn't that he's cutting civil service budgets, which innand of itself most of us would appreciate because we pay insanely high taxes, but that he hasn't been smart about where to make said cuts. That's what I was trying and failing to say above in my remarkably verbose comment. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 23:57, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Memorial Day

Well it is a bit late to post this but I compiled a list of anti-war articles for the day:

  • Criticisms of militarization:
Ending Their Wars - Jacobin
The long con of military decline: How the right uses the armed forces to lie about America - Salon
The Untold Story of Memorial Day: Former Slaves Honoring and Mourning the Dead - AlterNet
Obama’s Powerful Call to ‘Make War Less Likely and Cruelty Less Easily Accepted’ - The Nation
  • Personal accounts:
Memorial Day 2016 - Good Men Project (compilation)
We romanticize military service — until we see some combat and bury some friends - Foreign Policy (Block cookies)
Once Upon a Time, My Father Was a Soldier - Truthout
Nick Turse, From the Missing Archives of a Lost War - TomDispatch
  • Remembering war resistance:
When Soldiers Resist - Jacobin
Remembering Tomas Young - the Real News Network
Remembering Father Daniel Berrigan, a Prophet of Peace - Democracy Now!
From Attica to Assange, Attorney Michael Ratner Remembered as Social Justice Champion - Democracy Now!
  • Hiroshima & Nagasaki:
Art From The Ashes. Japanese Painters Summon Hope. - The Progressive

--Owlman (talk) (mail) 07:02, 31 May 2016 (UTC) 07:02, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Yet Another Bernie Thing

I know it's not necessarily what Sanders supporters want to hear, but I have a hard time arguing with it even as a Devil's Advocate. I know genuine leftists really loved the idea of a socialist running for President and if nothing else he may have finally broken the taboo on that word, but by every objective measure his support has revolved around the themes of his campaign or a single-issue focus, like college. To me, while he does have a lot of the same leftist support candidates like Kucinich had (but moreso), his support has less to do with his specific policies and more to do with his themes and the fact that he's not Hillary Clinton. Hentropy (talk) 16:50, 3 June 2016 (UTC)

Which is a by itself, too.--Kugelschreiber (talk) (mail) (block) 16:53, 3 June 2016 (UTC) 16:53, 3 June 2016 (UTC)
Well Kucinish was more anti-war but I think people concentrated on universal health care and universal college. People also seemed to concentrate on his policies on banks but that would be it. No one really thought about his financial transaction tax or his push to create a prize system. People also didn't seem to talk about his belief that deportees should be paroled for illegal entry.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 04:36, 6 June 2016 (UTC) 04:36, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Return of Lesser Evilism

I always enjoy Matt Taibbi's pieces. But for some reason, you have to load the page with Javascript disabled for the text to appear.

Javascript delendum est. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 16:49, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Don't blame Javascript, it's innocent in all this, blame the web devs who make you enable it so they can show you ads/pester you before you get to your stuff. They'd find some way to block it out no matter what. Anyway, I usually like Taibbi's stuff as well, but this didn't seem to bring the same interesting insight or wit to it. The whole blathering on about "lesser of two evils" as if it ever went anywhere (I've heard that talk from cynics in every election, Presidential or no) and of course the reductionist and quasi-sexist/racist assumption that the 3 million+ people who voted for Clinton didn't do so because they thought Sanders was the greater of two evils himself. People only voted for her because DWS brainwashed them and smeared Sanders with vicious shadow attacks that no one can point to. Hentropy (talk) 22:14, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
I thought it was pretty good jab at the assumption that the status quo is unchanging and that people won't "get in line" if you don't budge.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 22:45, 21 June 2016 (UTC) 22:45, 21 June 2016 (UTC)
The Democrats are still pissed at Ralph Nader, apparently, and imagine that they were entitled to the votes of people who preferred him to Al Gore. When the election was held, it wasn't clear how bad Bush II was going to be; Bush I was at least as prepared for the job as HRC is right now. And after eight years of Clinton, with his trade deals, deregulation, and welfare cuts, it was reasonable to conclude that the Democrats were not much different from the Republicans and choose a 'none of the above' candidate. If ninety thousand Floridians decided not to vote for Al Gore, it was because Al Gore did not persuade them.

And I despise Javascript, because it is used to do things to my browser that I'd prefer not to happen. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 02:25, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Personally I agree that Democrats should stop scapegoating Nader for 2000, in the end he didn't actually win that much of the vote (compared to what third parties are slated to win this year). I'm generally sympathetic to people who want to vote for the candidate who is closest to their own ideologies. But Taibbi makes this same smug, liberaler-than-thou-so-better-than-thou assumption that the only reason people are voting for Clinton is because of electability or because it's "her turn" or various other BernieBro memes, rather than considering even for a second that people are voting for Clinton because they don't like Sanders' ideas or rhetoric as much. Many Democrats and normal people who don't live in left- or right-wing media/internet bubbles never saw either of the candidates as "evil", Obama enjoys a ~50% approval rating nationally. Democrats moved farther to the right for a reason, because the idea of raising middle class taxes by significant amounts to pay for more and more poor people and minorities while giving the middle class mediocre schools and services in return became quite unpopular for some strange reason. Many Democrats, particularly minorities and women not only fear that going back to those politics will ensure another Republican sweep and throw away the supreme court and much of the social progress made in the last 8 years, but also because that many may fundamentally disagree that it is the best way to move the country towards a fairer economic system. The smug and not insignificantly bigoted handwaving of these perspectives is amplified by an echo chamber that feeds the "they would just feel the Bern if they opened up their hearts to our socialist lord and savior!" narrative. It is little more than attempted erasure by a strangely paternalistic, mostly-white and mostly-young majority who has very little to lose in Trump/Neo-neocon government. Hentropy (talk) 03:28, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Cenk Uygur and Van Jones had a great discussion on the political revolution within in the American left and how that revolution ought to move forward under the next president. They discuss the Obama presidency and how the left let him get away with most of what Bush had pushed for; they also discuss why a grassroots movement would get more accomplished under Clinton rather than Trump.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 04:20, 22 June 2016 (UTC) 04:20, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Taibibi is an idiot. He ignores the mathematical constraints of the first-past-the-post, winner-takes-all American electoral system a) that ENSURES third parties are just vanity parties with no possibility to win and that b) it's always a choice of lesser evils due to the math. He ignores pragmatism and practicality for "ideals", which are nothing but fanaticism in gay bunting. He's too smart to be stupid enough to believe the drivel he wrote, so he must be doing it maliciously. --Castaigne2 (talk) 02:28, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

[edit] Why Did White Workers Leave the Democratic Party?

Because those lower-class white workers who were left failed to realize their occupations were obsolete, failed to upgrade their skills appropriately to something high-tech, and then became upset that it wasn't the 1960s anymore. So they went to the party that wants it turned back to those days. I have no pity for the unnecessariat. --Castaigne2 (talk) 02:32, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that's entirely fair, even if their jobs did become obsolete I don't think it's crazy to suggest they should have been able to find replacement jobs that were just as if not close to the same quality. The article suggests a certain narrative, which I think is still mostly correct, that racism basically killed the labor movement. The Democrats were a broad coalition at one time, able to win or at least contest in every corner of the country because they included populist, working class racists we would currently classify as "socially conservative" so long as they believed in subsidies for farmers and unions. When Democrats tried to excise the racists from the party and went all-in on "liberal" social ethics in the 60s and 70s, many working class whites, union and non-union workers alike, bolt for the anti-labor Republican party, first with Nixon and then with Reagan. Many of these same "Reagan Democrats" who were fine with throwing the labor movement under the bus because they didn't like blacks/gays/abortion are now rabid supporters of Trump with his ambiguously left-wing protectionist rhetoric, once again swallowing the line that Mexicans are to blame for the economic woes and not the gutted labor movement they were responsible for. Anyway, Jacobin tries to make the argument that because some union leaders were in favor of civil rights, they shouldn't be blamed... but I don't think anyone was really blaming the internal union leadership themselves, but rather the average workers (union and not) who took those jobs for granted because they wanted all this social change stuff to just stop. Hentropy (talk) 03:55, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
{q|even if their jobs did become obsolete I don't think it's crazy to suggest they should have been able to find replacement jobs that were just as if not close to the same quality|Hentropy}
OK. Like what? Because the only answer I have for the 45-year-old factory worker who doesn't have a factory to work in is either a) become IT and move to the city or b) work fast food.
{q|who took those jobs for granted because they wanted all this social change stuff to just stop|Hentropy}
I do not have a capacity to care about people who don't have an ability to adapt and change. --Castaigne2 (talk) 21:23, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Why must anyone tolerate their jobs being obsoleted by technology? Who is in charge here, anyways? - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 14:44, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
If it makes you happy, I will absolutely support the stopping of all technological innovation and progress, which is the only thing that will prevent people's jobs from being obsoleted by technology. What year do you want to have technology fixed at in order to preserve jobs? --Castaigne2 (talk) 21:23, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Sometime before those damned smartphones would be nice. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 22:41, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
So how does 1998 sound? --Castaigne2 (talk) 22:49, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
I can't understate that bigotry was a long-time American value and by opposing it the democrats made a wide slate of enemies. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 14:56, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
As I said above, I do not have a capacity to care about people who don't have an ability to adapt and change. --Castaigne2 (talk) 21:23, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
The fact that the Democrats are beholden to the trial lawyers doesn't help either, their interests are far from aligned with working class anybody (one obvious one being their obstruction of some common sense reforms around malpractice lawsuits). That said, at least here in New England the Democrats are overwhelmingly in control with pretty much every demographic, and most Republicans here (like myself) would hardly be considered as such anywhere else, so I question just how much they've lost favor with all white working class populations. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 21:06, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
No amount of judicial reforms will prevent your average factory work from being outsourced to Mexico on the cheap or replaced with robots. --Castaigne2 (talk) 21:23, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
This is bad ideology that we shouldn't swallow. Outsourcing (and robots) aren't the result of some kind of inevitable natural process like the weather. They are the results of decisions made by human beings of the sort that are amenable to political control. It's just up to us to seize the throttle and control it. - Smerdis of Tlön, LOAD "*", 8, 1. 22:41, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Capitalism requires that profits be maintained or increased. Human costs (employing people) are ever-increasing; if profits do not increase, they eventually decrease profits. The two ways of decreasing human costs are to reduce the the human costs (reduce wages, reduce cost of benefits, reduce personnel, etc.) or to transfer the human cost to a fixed capital cost (machinery, automation). Unless we stop using capitalism (which I do not see as happening any time soon or in the even middling future), we don't have other methods (especially with expansion note being possible, as the global Earth is a closed economic system). Which do you choose? Or if you don't want to choose either, what do you propose replacing capitalism with and (most importantly) how? --Castaigne2 (talk) 22:49, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
At some point in time we will have automation to such a degree that we won't need (much) human labor. What then? And as to the "closed system" earth: Space colonization. Laurogeita Hamabost (talk) 22:52, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
"At some point in time we will have automation to such a degree that we won't need (much) human labor. What then?" - Laurogeita Hamabost
I'm not a corporate CEO, so my answer is "Not my problem." I just work here. I personally assume they'll adapt or die, just like everything else.
"And as to the "closed system" earth: Space colonization." - Laurogeita Hamabost
Show me a profit to be had and I'll be happy to invest. Until then, it's just a boondoggle. More money in coming out with the latest smartphone. --Castaigne2 (talk) 23:04, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Shortsighted businessmen and shortsighted politicians are the reason there are no space colonies yet.--Kugelschreiber (talk) (mail) (block) 23:21, 22 June 2016 (UTC) 23:21, 22 June 2016 (UTC)
Can you tell me what the purpose of colonizing would be, other than "Hey, look at us! OK, we're going to sit around on moon rocks now."? Yes, that is a serious question. Before we should do anything, we should have a set and defined purpose. Exploration and colonization on Earth did not happen except for a) economic reasons or b) state-funded or private-funded ego projects. --Castaigne2 (talk) 23:24, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

[edit] It's hard to get a man to understand something when his paycheck depends on him not understanding it.

That naturopath who walked away from the snake oil peddlers she believed were really helping people? I feel like she's a hero. I want to believe that if I had been indoctrinated into a pseudoscience career of misleading people for money and I saw an egregious ethics violation, and the head of my professional organization told me it wasn't a big deal, I'd still have integrity to walk away and reconsider my life.

I want to believe that. I'm not sure if I'd be able to overcome my biases that far. I'm impressed by her and really wish there was something I could learn from her example. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 15:26, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

Threaten the business of these well-meaning gurus and you see their true face.— Unsigned, by: 193.62.251.21 / talk / contribs

[edit] Twitter Trolls Are Reporting Pro-LGBT Muslim Women to Their Governments, Where Punishment Can Mean Death

Oh yeah, maximum chan action! Total doxation! Stick it to those Muslamic SJWs, shitlords!
I love shit like this. It confirms everything I know about the true base state of humanity. Getting Muslamic SJWs in jail or put to the death or tortured FOR THE LULZ. --Castaigne2 (talk) 17:12, 23 June 2016 (UTC)

It's not even "for the lulz", they're genuinely trying to make a stupid fucking bigot point about how dangerous muslims are, by being psychopathic bastards getting people killed. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 17:33, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
What you just described IS the lulz; that's funsies for most people in the world. Nothing happens to them, the people they don't like get it in the ass, totes W1NZ0RS!!
Welcome to humanity. This is what we all are, underneath the skin. --Castaigne2 (talk) 17:40, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
I guess the concerns about the returns of fascism have me seriously concerned. If every alt-righter died randomly, I have this feeling no one would lose any friends they like and respect. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 17:49, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
The lesson is required. I want the alt-righters to win. And then, I and others can show them the true meaning of authoritarianism. The lesson will probably stick for a few generations. --Castaigne2 (talk) 17:59, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
You know, after your 30 years in prison for being a social-democrat. Then you can really laugh in their face about how the US utterly destroyed itself. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 18:02, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Except I won't be. IRL, I am an authoritarian. The majority of people view me as terribly conservative. It'd be funny in other circumstances.
What is funny is that these alt-righters think they'd be the ones on top. I personally relish the look on their faces when they get thrust in the camps or jails or whatever with all the people they despise. Their lack of self-awareness is charming. --Castaigne2 (talk) 18:08, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
60 million people died from the last group of authoritarian dictators without a lasting lesson learned. A higher death toll must seem reasonable if you don't think you will be one of those next time. -MasterofLogic (talk) 19:13, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
Well surely if a omnicidal maniac becomes dictator some country(ies) will open its (their) borders to let in refugees fleeing the carnage? Laurogeita Hamabost (talk) 19:42, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
like they do now? AMassiveGay (talk) 19:55, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
I think most people simply view you as annoyingly edgy, Castaigne. Most people outgrow your mentality by the time they're 12. NewFrenchHotness (talk) 14:34, 24 June 2016 (UTC)
But remember, it's the SJWs who don't care about third world women. Vulpius (talk) 18:12, 23 June 2016 (UTC)
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