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[edit] Know Your Meme

KYM isn't really worth mentioning on here IMO. They get their marching orders from 4chan. Nothing they post is worth reading. Abed Nadir (talk) 19:41, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Proof? (And in any case, the link in question appears to be a user-uploaded image rather than an actual article by KYM)
Either way, I think it might be best to just let this GamerGate crap die already unless something major develops. The last several times it's popped up around here, it exploded in drama. Noir LeSable (talk) 19:58, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Proof. 4channer says "KYMfags lurking this thread... do your fucking job, you hear?" Image is posted onto KYM page on GamerGate. Image gets over 300 upvotes.
Also (and this isn't directly relevant but it really pisses me off) many of the highest-voted comments on the GG page are anti-feminist memes that have nothing to do with video games in the first place. Yeah I don't follow Vichy KYM anymore. Abed Nadir (talk) 20:12, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
I would hardly call that proof. If I called that proof, I'd also have to call half of the GG garbage proofs for a mass feminist conspiracy.
I also concur with Noir LeSable that we should just let this GG crap die already. It's done nothing but stoke fires over meaningless crap people on the internet spew at meaningless labels. Nullahnung (talk) 20:21, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Alright, I'll grant it's not the best evidence. I still don't like the site though.
Also, as much as I would love to just step back and let the controversy die, I think the fact that Zoe is still being harassed means that the "ignore it and hope it goes away" plan isn't going to do any good. I understand that there's some opposition to us covering this topic, but I think I'd like to start a personal essay about it on here. Abed Nadir (talk) 21:01, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
The motivations and culture of the whole mess is very on-mission. It's very hateful, paranoid, cranktastic and with the usual suspects of Breitbart and InfoWars cashing in on it, the whole thing will just get even more bizarre before it ends. Hell, these are people who think that cultural critics and independent game designers are able to get police departments to forge records. While I hope it fizzles out like all the other crusades and campaigns that the anons have pulled in the past, I'm worried about any possible long-term effects. --Paul S (talk) 06:50, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
My primary concern is they will succeed in bankrupting one or two of the gaming websites by getting them to pull adverts under false claims of corruption and then proceed to do this continuously with left-leaning news outlets of any kind. It's harder to make money with online media anyway. This is definitely a negative thing for free speech --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 09:46, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Pressuring advertisers to dictate a website's content just screams journalistic integrity, doesn't it? Vulpius (talk) 01:16, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
DING! At least somebody gets it. - Smerdis of Tlön, for the defense. 16:50, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
Well, what can we do about it? I mean, yeah, it really sucks that Zoe's still getting crap over this (especially during a time of mourning), but we aren't the police or some vigilante techno-justice force, and I don't think the Boot to the Head over IP protocols will be implemented anytime soon. In my opinion, the harassment is most likely coming from a small group of asshole dickbags and/or immature teenagers, most of whom are probably so entrenched in their own opinion about this controversy that they don't give two shits about the opposing side (otherwise, why would they go so far as actually going out of their way to harass her?). The RL harassment is best dealt with by the RL police and authorities, who have the resources available to track down the harassers. I doubt any of us will stop you if you want to write and post an essay about this for the undecided, the uninformed, and the gray space between sides, but keeping this crap in the limelight for trivial things (Oooh! Look at this picture someone posted on a site where anyone can submit pictures!) when discussions of this topic already turn so toxic and divisive and only serve to encourage the RL harassment to continue -- that's just counterproductive.
It's like an internet troll or Westboro Baptist; the more attention it gets, the more people will do crazy stuff to harass others in order to draw attention to themselves and get "cred". Noir LeSable (talk) 15:49, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Well yes it's a self perpetuating controversy, I'd prefer it weren't covered at all but many reputable media sources have covered it, and the numerous articles on it do create a weird sense of credence to their corruption claims to some. Hell, there was even an article on it in Jacobin today. I don't really know what to do, I was looking at the Wikipedia article today and it's ridiculous just how lengthy and bloated it is considering very little has actually happened --Drowninginlimbo (talk) 19:47, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Cosplay and the Economy

"People in bad situations seek distractions." It's not especially cloggy, the writer is just stating the obvious. --TheLateGatsby (The end of the dock )Moderator 14:15, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Describing following a personal passion as "fleeing reality" is pretty stupid IMO, especially when you consider the jobs created by cosplay equipment sales and convention organization. Not to mention, why are (say) sports fans never accused of fleeing reality? Running a fantasy football league is exactly as unproductive as creating a costume of a fictional character, but the former seldom gets attacked like this.
Though it's far less horrible than that godawful Reason article on Gamergate. Reading that one, I saw so many distortions, long-debunked lies and bizarre non sequiturs, I thought it must have been from Fox News. Abed Nadir (talk) 23:19, 13 October 2014 (UTC)
No, running a fantasy football league is considerably less economically productive. Costumes cost money to make (though cosplayers tend to make their outfits themselves, subtracting those hours from the world of business - this may be this fool's objection), and money is spent aplenty at cons - David Gerard (talk) 11:02, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Satan's Hollow

"Haunted" places are some of the most pathetic kinds of bullshit out there. Star of David.png Radioactive Misanthrope 14:52, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

It somewhat warms my heart that legend tripping hasn't changed much since Mark Twain wrote Tom Sawyer. - Smerdis of Tlön, for the defense. 15:19, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
I was excited to see this on here! I live nearby and have explored it numerous times over the years - it's just a big storm drain with weird passages and tunnels. Nothing spooky unless you're superstitious. I'm only a littlestitious though, not quite superstitious. Jrock1203 (talk) 15:09, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Argumentum ad X-Hominem

I tried reading the comments on that article. OW MY BRAIN. --Gulik (talk) 23:45, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

The dude deletes and edits comments too. Someone on the RW FB page posted screenshots - David Gerard (talk) 09:24, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, when they finally allowed my comment through, they only allowed PART of it. Apparently my snide comment about how you'd have to be an idiot to take fictional character with supernatural powers who come back from the dead as applicable in real life didn't go over well with them. --Gulik (talk) 09:56, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Ingrid Newkirk's will

Ok, she's a crazy animal activist and wants her body carved up after death to promote her cause. While grusome, I get it. She's a crazy animal activist and all. But wtf?:

"j. That a little part of my heart be buried near the racetrack at Hockenheim, preferably near the Ferrari pits, where Michael Shumacher raced in and won the German Grand Prix"

I love Formula 1 too, but seriously this came out of nowhere as you read down the list of crazy corpse carvings. (talk) 00:12, 26 October 2014 (UTC)

I have no idea either. Michael Schumacher[wp] is a pet owner and nothing I've seen says he's any kind of vegetarian or was ever sponsored by PETA. Given the rest of the document, it's hard to tell whether this gift was meant to honor or to mock somebody. - Smerdis of Tlön, for the defense. 03:49, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
It doesn't shock me that a person so crazily devoted to one thing is crazily devoted to another. AyzmoCheers 00:05, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Holy moly that prostitute for charity thing

Oh woe is us, someone will see this completely shitty idea for what it is. You can't win with those SJWs, if you misogynistically attack a woman for having sex, you get labled a misogynist, and if you auction women off as sexual property, you get labeled a misogynist. It's just not fair. Ikanreed (talk) 19:21, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

fuckin SJWs just be fuckin crazy amirite! - David Gerard (talk) 21:31, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
What is this? I'm somewhat afraid to google "prostitute for charity".(Agrajag (talk) 22:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)) Ah, nevermind, just missed it in the clogs. I think that Gamergate is just trying to hit the lowest moral denominator in as many fields as possible at once. Maybe someone astroturfed it to get a world record.


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[edit] Breibart article

Is it just me or is everyone getting 404 on that story? Oldusgitus (talk) 12:47, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Commented out. Scream!! (talk) 12:56, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Is this too much G*m*rg*t*?

... so yeah, there's Gamergate fanfic. Written by and for gators. I mean, there's a lotta GG on clogs, so I thought I'd check on talk if this would be just one too many. OTOH, it's supremely cloggy - David Gerard (talk) 20:40, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

OMFG that's wonderfully horribly written. Looks like it could use a good MST3K job. --Pere Ubu (talk) 00:36, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
I'll take that as a vote of confidence - David Gerard (talk) 19:49, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
I think the poor writing might be intentional. Warriors of Socialus Justicus? That's at least tongue-in-cheek, if not a downright parody.(Agrajag (talk) 01:58, 12 November 2014 (UTC))
Sir has been lucky enough not to read much fanfic. This reads like they're trying to joke and not doing so well enough not to suck even at that - David Gerard (talk) 17:33, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
I'd put money on this being a joke. It's too perfectly terrible to be legit. (talk) 19:43, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
That variety of crack needs to be way crackier to convince me it's actually crack and not just shit. This is possibly my favourite of the genre: trollcrack riffing off other trollcrack, that successfully trolled the regulars. "I don't know what just happened, but it was painful and my short-term memory seems to have committed seppuku because of it." - David Gerard (talk) 19:50, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

[edit] That Dragon, Gamergate

Hey all, we have not received any direct harassment or threats from #gamergate or anyone else. #thatdragoncancer
—Ryan Green, father, via twitter@ryangreen8, 8:21 PM - 17 Nov 2014
If something were to happen, then we could talk about it, but for now let’s not spread rumors on either side of the aisle.
—Josh Larsen, game dev for God At Play, via twitter@GodAtPlay, 8:22 PM - 17 Nov 2014

Ok, seems to me that -- so far -- this is just a few anonymous idiots on 4/8Chan getting their underwear in a twist, and others (on Twitter and elsewhere) overreacting to a few screencaps and a YouTube rant. Not some concerted HashbrownGamergate campaign against God At Play. It definitely would be a clog if they started harassing the game devs, Ryan Green (the father of the child), Indiecade, et al., but it hasn't ostensibly happened. Noir LeSable (talk) 16:03, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

So, are all indy games going to have to get vetted by GamerGaters now to see if they or any of their backers have any anti-fascist SJW tendencies? Seems rather Stalinist to me. --Pere Ubu (talk) 22:31, 18 November 2014 (UTC)
Did you read what I posted? It's entirely a non-issue. It looks like it's just a few anons and a youtuber with a terrible fake accent. Not a concerted Gamergate effort (heck, from the tweets, it looks like GG support these guys. Good for them. It's a good cause). /r/KotakuInAction has been relatively silent about it, except for two posts wondering what's going on. Searches on Escapist Forums are turning up blank. From what it appears, the only people making noise about this are a smattering of Twitter users following a minor Twitter celeb claiming that Gators were harassing the devs of the game. The Gamergate movement has a lot to be criticized about, but let's keep it to stuff that's actually true, or we risk sinking to their level. The guy behind the game has asked to not be dragged into the GamerGate drama, so I've gone ahead and commented out the Clog. If you want to support the game itself, That Dragon, Cancer, here's a link to its kickstarter. Noir LeSable (talk) 01:50, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
The above happened after ... Sarkeesian mentioned it - David Gerard (talk) 12:35, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

[edit] "Andy's Mom"

I know it's not intended that way, but I just realized how incredibly sexist it is to take a famously stupid regressive with her own awful history of doing stupid things and reduce her to the mother of a different famously stupid regressive with an awful history of doing stupid things. Phyllis is her own awful woman. Ikanreed (talk) 21:38, 20 November 2014 (UTC)

Meh, I think it's just a RW thing: Conservapedia is a big deal for for some users/readers (though much less so than a few years ago) who are probably more aware of who Andy is than Phyllis, despite her being much more notable in the real world. & I don't think it's particularly sexist as this kind of description goes both ways - whenever Andy gets any press coverage he's always referred to "the son of Phyllis Schlafly". €₳$£ΘĪÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 23:24, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
I must admit even I went "who's Andy?" until I moused over it. I've changed the link to be duller - David Gerard (talk) 23:55, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Fair enough. --Gulik (talk) 08:21, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

[edit] Freeman on The Taser

A sovereign citizen goes out and tests his theories in a real courthouse - Oh, god I am such a evil statist for having laughed at that... he deserved it, though. *snerk* --Pere Ubu (talk) 03:02, 24 November 2014 (UTC)

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