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[edit] Trump

Yeah, that article is really off the rails with the whole "Donald is a plant" theory. But what's interesting is how little the author is willing to address and acknowledge the popularity of the so-called plant. His party's base is in life with Trump, and no amount of conspiracies about the man himself can justify that. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 19:33, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

It's easier to veer off into conspiracies rather than address the 10-20% of the people who are voting in the same primary being wackjobs. It happens with any party....but any sane party would express distain and disgust the GOP needs to somewhat embrace those groups to even stand a chance because their policies are so unattractive. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 20:21, 15 July 2015 (UTC)
Huh, what's interesting is that another columnist at the same news outlet has proposed the idea that Sanders run will, either by intent or action, push Hilary to the left with popular ideas. Is Trump pushing other more likely GOP candidates to the lunatic fringe? -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 18:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
He's not further right. He's more openly racist. That's his selling point right now to his party. Openly racist. ikanreed You probably didn't deserve that 19:01, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
At the moment those two things seem to be the same in the GOP. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 19:06, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Block the page

This page isn't blocked to BoNs like WIGO:World, so please block it. Faunas (talk) 15:02, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

What for, was there some increased vandalism and/or trolling by BoN's lately?--Arisboch (talk) 15:05, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
No, it's because this page and pages like it are just for already registered RW editors to edit. Faunas (talk) 11:09, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
NO, it isn't. Scream!! (talk) 11:23, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] 12 Years a Slave

Didn't we have a thing about this article in 2013, when the article ran? Whoover (talk) 23:34, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

Dunno, but either way it shouldn't be posted as July 2015. WėąṣėḷőįďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 00:11, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Instagram filters

What the hell? The article gives examples, notes the blatantly white-biased standard card, and details the problems with techonology that pretends not to be political. What's cloggy about this? - David Gerard (talk) 23:42, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Since "racism", in popular usage, carries a connotation of malicious intent, calling such unintentionally exclusionary things like not realizing you should calibrate your image software for more than just white skin tones "racist" offends the kind of people who don't realize or don't want to realize that you can be racist without intending to exclude people. Frederick♠♣♥♦ 23:58, 2 August 2015 (UTC)
That's complete BS. Nobody at the sharp end of the behaviour in question cares or should care about the intent, when the problem is the effects. And also when pretty much every blatant racist tries to argue intent so as not to change their behaviour - David Gerard (talk) 12:08, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Of course any argument can be used as a pretext, which doesn't render the argument in question invalid.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 12:11, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
I agree with you, David. My point was that there are people who do not realize or actively avoid acknowledging that a person's actions can have racist effects without that person having racist intentions, and those are the people that would put an article like this in the clogosphere section. Frederick♠♣♥♦ 17:41, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Because it's ridiculous, that's why. It mentions one or two filters that change a person's skin tone. Some people might not know this, but the point of a filter is to alter colors to produce a certain aesthetic (e.g. "old-looking picture"). How does a filter that produces a certain effect and as a byproduct make skin slightly lighter "exclude" anyone? If you don't like the way it looks aesthetically, then don't use the filter. But if you're so obsessed with racial identity and skin color that the mere ability to choose a filter that doesn't perfectly capture its exact shade really makes you feel oppressed, then that's more of a personal problem.TheriziπosaurusG (talk) 01:35, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
The problem wasn't just that the filter changed the color of the picture, the problem was that the filters were changing the color more when used on people with dark skin tones than when used on people with light skin tones, and that this is perhaps due to such filters not being tested on people with dark skin tones before being added to the app, similar to the issues with Kodak film mentioned in the article. Frederick♠♣♥♦ 17:41, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
Dark skin reacting differently to certain filters is not a social issue. Why does it matter if a filter that you have the *option* to choose make your skin is a little different in shade in a photograph? Why is it a problem if not every available filter keeps your skin color pure?TheriziπosaurusG (talk) 21:43, 3 August 2015 (UTC)
The filters are not a social issue in and of themselves. Society would probably be the same whether or not the filters existed. The problem is that a major multi-million dollar software developer can release an image adjustment product without realizing (or realizing and not caring) that it basically erases dark skin tones. The problem is that Western beauty standards have traditionally favored light skin tones over dark skin tones, and a major multi-million dollar software developer releasing image adjustment software that automatically lightens your skin does not help to buck that trend. The problem is that asking Instagram to develop filters that don't ruin dark skin tones is considered an overreaction. All the article was asking for was improved Instagram image filters. Frederick♠♣♥♦ 02:25, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
Firstly, it doesn't "erase" darker skin tones, it makes them slightly lighter, just like everything else in the image. It's not like it turns you into a white person, you still look black.
Secondly, Instagram has plenty of other filters that don't make dark skin appear lighter, so it's not like people are being forced to change their race (which the filter doesn't do anyway)
Thirdly, the purpose of the filter is to recreate an aesthetic created by old pictures, not to lighten skin. Changing whether it lightens things or not would make it a completely different filter.
This article isn't a well-though-out piece on racism, it's a knee-jerk reaction. Something completely unrelated to race (i.e. an Instagram filter) has maybe a single aspect (it makes darker colors slightly lighter) that, to some random person on the Internet, sounds in the most superficial way like racism (since colors are involved somehow), and then the author covers it up with pseudo-intellectual nonsense.TheriziπosaurusG (talk) 02:48, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

If I might politely suggest, the enormously subtle question of whether intentionality is a necessary component of racism is well outside the bounds of what would seem to justify inclusion in the Clogosphere, which is not, as I understand it, a catch-all for "articles I happen not to like." There's no crank science or ludicrously unfounded claims here, and its inclusion in the Clogosphere list with no actual snark or clarifying comments is, frankly, the sort of thing I expect on Conservapedia, not here. (talk) 23:10, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

It's not a question of whether it's intentional or not, it's that somebody calling something so incredibly unrelated to race "racist". And it's funny. Just like it's funny when creationists stretch things to fit their beliefs (like dinosaurs' nostrils catching on fire due to decreased oxygen after the flood), it's funny when people stretch things in order to find racism in them (like Instagram being racist because one of the filters *gasp* affects colors!). If you don't think the article is bad or funny, don't upvote it. And if you truly think the article has truth to it, join the debate. But as it stands the majority of people have also shown that they find it amusing by upvoting it, so I think it should stay.TheriziπosaurusG (talk) 00:16, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
It's not in any way unrelated to race, what the fuck are you on. Visibly racist effects without intention are called "systemic racism" and are a way of being stupid that is of note - David Gerard (talk) 08:47, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
"Racist effects"? Did Instagram add a Blackface-filter or what? What a stupid hysteria.--Arisboch ☞✍☜☞✉☜ 10:12, 5 August 2015 (UTC)
How is an old-timey filter lightening someone's skin tone as a byproduct "racist"? Is it based on the superiority of any one race? Does it widen the gap between races? No, what widens the gap between races is people who insist on making everything about race. You know who insists that skin color is sacred and shouldn't even accidentally be altered in any way for fear of looking like another race? People who are obsessed with race, also know as Racists. Imagine anyone complaining that a filter makes them look blacker. It's not only offensive, it's illogical and paranoid, right?TheriziπosaurusG (talk) 05:04, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Let me take the filter bit out and make it real lighting. Is the sun a form of systemic racism? WalkerWalkerWalker 05:33, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
Or flash photography?TheriziπosaurusG (talk) 20:48, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
These aren't arguments having to do with any sort of skepticism or crankery. Again, this is entirely outside the remit of this site. You may find it funny; I even understand why you do. But it's not something that has to do with what this site's about. (talk) 21:10, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
↑ pillock. Scream!! (talk) 22:14, 6 August 2015 (UTC)
So it's stupid, but not the kind of stupid we're looking for. Right. Does a website's stance on abortion or people interviewing Americans who don't know what the Fourth of July is fall under "skepticism and crankery" then?TheriziπosaurusG (talk) 15:33, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
Is there social discrimination against minorities? Of course there is. However, do Instagram filters, a feature not designed to appear realistic, count? I would say not. If you don't like the way a particular filter changes your appearance then don't use it. Perhaps you could petition for the addition of different filters specifically for different skin tones. That being said I suspect that the real reason all of the filters brighten an image is that that is the easiest way to hide blemishes without using a more intelligent algorithm. Samstr (talk) 03:24, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Moon

The vid is from 2011. FᴜᴢᴢʏCᴀᴛPᴏᴛᴀᴛᴏ, Esϙᴜɪʀᴇ (talk/stalk) 23:53, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Rob Rhinehart

Who the hell is he? Is he on our list of internet kooks/webshites? ConfusedLiberal (talk) 04:09, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Creator of Soylent, which we do have an article on. Dunno where the Uber gushing comes from though. Vulpius (talk) 16:31, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
If he's one of those Silicon Valley technolibertarians, he's obligated to love Uber, as it's a triumph of the free market over the big government regulated yellow car taxis. Also, because libertarians seem to love unethical business practices. ConfusedLiberal (talk) 17:41, 4 August 2015 (UTC)
His rambling nonsense was also featured on Ars technica by the way ... Carpetsmoker (talk) 22:12, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Duplication

Aren't 4135 & 4136 bot about the same thing - Natural News & Us involvement in Tianjin explosion? (I I just just can't can't believe believe that that anyone anyone could could dduupplliiccaaattee an an entry entry like like this this. Scream!! (talk) 16:37, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

They were the same link. Merged - David Gerard (talk) 23:34, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Bitcoin Article

There is nothing more amusing to me than modern day American libertarians who rail against the dollar for being a fiat currency while using bitcoin. At least gold is shiny, what inherent value does a complex code have? That being said I feel that bitcoin is pretty much harmless and I actually agree with libertarians on a number of things. Indeed technically I am a libertarian but that's a discussion for another day. Samstr (talk) 04:19, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

I know people who invested thousands of euros in Bitcoins, so it's not quite harmless. Plus, the Bitcoin miners take up a lot of power, so Mother Nature isn't quite happy either... Carpetsmoker (talk) 20:41, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
What got me is before the whole Silk Road things people were extolling how Bitcoin would conceal what people ware buying (and avoid surveillance or tax I guess). Then when the feds reveled it could be easily tracked back to the Silk Road guy, along with all the hands it passed through, it's been quietly deleted from the virtues of the currency. -EmeraldCityWanderer (talk) 20:47, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
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