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[edit] Bob Jones University

Why put the emphasis on "they"? Its not as if the investigative agency was supposed to be on their side really.

[edit] What happens >9999?

So, um, what happens when the WIGO counter goes past 9999? Does is break the voting app or not? It's probably going to happen this year. Sterile (talk) 21:29, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

I predict a huge anticlimax. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 21:31, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
There have been vote numbers larger than 10k inserted by mistake and nothing broke, so...--ZooGuard (talk) 21:32, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
The above is by an anti-P10K government shill, please ignore it. As a representative of the new "Poll 10K" movement, I predict something between a colossal space whale invasion and instant nuclear annihilation. FuzzyCatPotato™ (reprimand) 00:42, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Computers don't think like you or I, sterile. You can get worried at 2,147,483,647. Ikanreed (talk) 20:22, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] "Salon": blog, clog, or world?

I was unaware that Salon is considered a sketchy source. Comment? Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 16:57, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

It's not the greatest nor the worst, but opinion columns really belong in WIGO:Blogs rather than World. The same goes for the Newsweek piece about the Bible. WeaseloidWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 17:55, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Weaseloid. Yeah, I wondered about the placement, but it seemed like it was legitimately reporting on this article more than anything else. Yes, there was background spin provided... Apparently the Quanta article was republished by Business Insider, but somehow I don't care to link to that. Yet another site on the edge of respectability? IDK. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 18:19, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
It's a fuzzy distinction but I would say it looks more comment & analysis (i.e. blogging, or the journalistic equivalent) than reporting, & not really 'news', given that it was about an article from about a year ago. WeaseloidWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 18:25, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
Salon has occasional straight-up news pieces, but its most-clicked stuff is blogs/clogs. You might have to apply editorial judgement or something - David Gerard (talk) 19:13, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] There's nothing wrong with teaching the law as it exists

More of a debate namespace thing, but since an item here brought it up, I'm gonna engage here. I can't condemn anyone who opposes gun control on strictly legalistic grounds. Rule of law matters, and constitutionally recognized rights are important. Teaching children about what the constitution says is good. A healthier electorate might recognize the constitution as a living document a little better, but the tone of the headline here is essentially denialism.

It's no different than fundamentalists opposing teaching evolution because they don't like the implications. To me, as a rather radical gun-control proponent(I believe it's evidentially supported) the implications of the second amendment are grim. But those implications don't mean I should ignore the reality of what is law or should oppose teaching that law to students at appropriate education levels. Ikanreed (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

PArt of the issue with it comes from different ideas of what the amendment means though. Teaching the context of the amendment, what its historicaly meant and means now can vary across states or even cities/districts within cities, and not all of them are going to have gun control-style ideas about what to be saying about the second amendment. --Miekal 20:31, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Sure, but that goes for other things they teach in school, like free speech or due process as well. I can't bring myself to say that the second amendment is somehow special in its flexibility. I'm also all for teachers who wish it taking the opportunity to tell students that gun ownership increases your annual death rate by a couple percent during the lecture. Ikanreed (talk) 20:35, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Considering, as the article says, the curriculum on gun rights is going to be all grades, a minimum of three weeks, and decided by a combination of State board of education on the recommendation or approval of the NRA, i don't see anything but "Yay guns pro gun hate the control" coming from it.--Miekal 20:38, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, and that's a point worth mocking. Teaching extant rights isn't. I can criticize the tone of a headline, right? Ikanreed (talk) 20:45, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I agree the headline itself is crappy, i was just pointing out that the bills themselves aren't so innocent "teach us about the amendment" as your post seems to want it to be. --Miekal 20:47, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
I was raging specifically about the headline. Another failure of clarity on my part. Ikanreed (talk) 20:51, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
Do you mean the article headline or the WIGO entry?
Schools should teach about key amendments & what legal rights they provide, including the 2nd amendment, but don't they already do that? What these bills are trying to set up, on the other hand, is very much politicised teaching that would push students to one side of what's a very divisive issue. €₳$£ΘĪÐWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 20:59, 6 January 2015 (UTC)
WIGO entry. Ikanreed (talk) 21:06, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Faux news 'expert'

Talks shit on faux news, forced to appologise to the entire city of Birmingham, UK and much of London as well. Oldusgitus (talk) 08:44, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Added to WIGO:Clogs. ωεαşεζόίďWeaselly.jpgMethinks it is a Weasel 20:46, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] My county has 580 goats!

Anyone do any better? Ikanreed (talk) 22:06, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Hey David Cameron

You know it's possible to send encrypted messages over unencrypted messaging services, right? Frederick♠♣♥♦ 07:48, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Pope Francis

Well, he isn't a hypocrite when it comes to satirical commentary of religion within free speech.— Unsigned, by: 74.108.228.157 / talk / contribs

[edit] Look

If we wanted to use non-black mugshots for target practice we'd have to start arresting people who aren't black. And frankly, that just doesn't make much sense, does it? We're police. We arrest the right kind of people. Ikanreed (talk) 16:00, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

Seriously, are US police departments competing for some Most Openly Racist Corps Award or something? 141.134.75.236 (talk) 16:13, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
It's Florida. Blech. I'm normally the optimistic "kumbaya" type that assumes the best intentions in everyone before leveling accusations, and even I can see that this was an extremely terrible idea. Noir LeSable (talk) 16:52, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
It is only about 15-20 minutes from me. That is a nice, white area that borders on a mostly minority, not-so-nice area. Doesn't surprise me in the least.AyzmoCheers 18:09, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Well if the mug shot was selected at random, it's not really racist. What I don't understand is why they are an actual person's face. At least use a dead person. And don't cops usually shoot for the center of mass instead of the face (where the bullet holes are)?TheriziπosaurusG (talk) 20:25, 16 January 2015 (UTC)
Remember that this is Florida, a place with kinda' a low bar for police departments. The state was, after all, home to the incident where the Key West Police Department was declared a criminal enterprise for acting as a racket for cocaine smugglers. It is easy to get by when you can just say "I know that what we did was stupid, but we have not crossed our 'the police department is literally a racketeering operation' threshold yet, so I think we're still normal by Floridian standards." Crow7878 (talk) 20:49, 16 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Al Sharpton story

I've just come in from a ride, and haven't had my second coffee of the morning yet, so maybe I missing the irony. A tabloid article, equating racial politics in the US with entertainment in the headline, presented on here in a snarky tone which suggests some uppity folks are over-entitled? I'm not a fan of Hollywood and I neither know nor care about the Oscars. I can, however, see that racial politics in the US are still fucked up and I can see a racist subtext from 100 yards. Someone needs to fix up. London Grump (talk) 09:30, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Seems rather tame in comparison to the John Boehner entry. But then maybe I'm just guilty of having skewered a sacred pig. Slings and Arrows (talk) 10:04, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
More like puking out the same old reactionary bullshit...London Grump (talk) 14:16, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, the way the article shoehorns in the phrase "master race" time and time again speaks volumes. Doxys Midnight Runner (talk) 14:22, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
I think we should move that story to CLOGs. Zero (talk - contributions) 17:05, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, no kidding. "Most annoying person on the planet" wut? >.> 141.134.75.236 (talk) 17:15, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Is there a term for people believing silly things about their political foes with respect to who they look up to etc.? You see it a lot with creationists and Darwin and Dawkins, and teabaggers with Gore, and racists with, well, Al Sharpton. Queexchthonic murmurings 17:28, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
Well, portraying the enemies as mindless fanboys/sheeple (which is pretty similar to portraying them as mindless fanatics) is a common strawmanning tactic. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 17:37, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Sharpton in general seems to be defined by people vaguely arguing he's incendiary, without ever, ever citing something he's said. Ikanreed (talk) 17:32, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

True enough. I've seen him accused of being a black supremacist with possibly genocidal ambitions but when I ask for evidence or give them Sharpton quotes which contradict this people shut up. It's like the whitey tape, except there's no timeframe, an eternally regenerating rumor mill. Al is, at worst, a slightly skeezy attention whore. But hey, in the interest of fairness I'll keep the challenge open ended. If anyone can produce a verifiable quote of Sharpton saying he hates white people or calling for black supremacy link it here.--Zipperback (talk) 02:15, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
The post and article are still racist, even if there's film of Al Sharpton and Louis Farrakhan in a milk bar with their feet on the backs of white women looking like Alex and his droogs, planning the revolution. London Grump (talk) 06:47, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
Here are a few of the more controversial quotes from the Reverend Al Sharpton. Now whether they are racist, anti-Semitic, homophobic, or just incoherent babbling is open to interpretation.
"If the Jews want to get it on, tell them to pin their yarmulkes back and come over to my house.” – Quoted in Newsday (August 18, 1991)
“White folks was in caves while we was building empires. We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.” – 1994 Sharpton appearance at Kean College
"There is a systemic and methodical strategy to eliminate our people from doing business off 125th Street. I want to make it clear … that we will not stand by and allow them to move this brother so that some white interloper can expand his business." -- On the Freddy's Fashion Mart incident (20 March 2000).
“They tried to say that being gay is a sin, and I said that adultery is a sin. Adultery is responsible for breaking up more marriages, but do we put that in the Constitution? It’s absurd.” -- Remarks regarding homosexual marriage (3 August 2005).
“Jim Crow is old. That's not who I'm mindful of today. The problem is that Jim Crow has sons. The one we've got to battle is James Crow Jr. He's a little more educated. He's a little slicker. He's a little more polished, but the results are the same.” -- Remarks at the funeral of Rosa Parks (3 November 2005).
Slings and Arrows (talk)
So... the most recent of these is from 10 years ago and is completely fucking reasonable statement of modern racism's manifestation. Now, you aren't going to find me approving of anyone using the phrase "the Jews" to say anything at all, but even that isn't nearly as racist or incendiary as what people attribute to him, even today. Ikanreed (talk) 22:04, 21 January 2015 (UTC)
The Jews seem like nice people. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 00:49, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

The link to the Sharpton story (which has now been deleted from RationalWiki), was an article that appeared in the New York Daily News; a newspaper that is owned by media mogul Mort Zuckerman (who also owns US News and World Report). Zuckerman is a Jewish businessman, with a predominantly Jewish staff of writers; which is altogether irrelevant, but perhaps worth noting in light of the recent Charlie Hebdo incident.

The Daily News is the fourth most widely circulated newspaper in the United States. To suggest that it is guilty of distributing racist material, borders on insanity. You can usually find the newspaper on display at your local supermarket. Slings and Arrows (talk) 00:53, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

Maybe I'm doing something wrong (I'm damn good with Google though) but after 15 minutes of searching, I can't seem to find source for the second one anywhere. I have a couple Yahoo answers search results and page upon page of right-wing blogs. Not a single reliable source for that quote. As far as I can tell, that's the only real problematic quote in the bunch and it seems to not actually be real. Wikipedia has the quote linking back to a google book that can't be accessed and then has a link to another article supposedly appologizing for it but doesn't. Even if it is in the book, why can't I find a single news article commenting on it or a transcript of the speech. 1994 isn't all that long ago. AyzmoCheers 06:19, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
White folks was [sic] in caves while we were building empires…. We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and those Greek homos ever got around to it. Speech at Kean College (1994), transcribed in The Forward (December 1995), as quoted in Foolish Words : The Most Stupid Words Ever Spoken (2003) by Laura Ward, p. 192. http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Al_Sharpton Slings and Arrows (talk) 06:29, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
I think it's at least understandable to look with a jaundiced eye upon anyone who did what he did during the Tawana Brawley fiasco. He was responsible for throwing an enormous amount of gasoline on the fire, taking some remarkably crass actions in the process, and engaged in defamation which irreparably damaged the life of a completely innocent person. 24.186.49.177 (talk) 03:36, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
The Tawana Brawley incident is a classic example of Sharpton's tried-and-true technique. Rush in front of the cameras with allegations of racism, before the facts are even known. And when the story is later discovered to be an outright fabrication, then blame it on media bias. Slings and Arrows (talk) 23:23, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Baked Bads

Just wanted to add clarification on the whole Azucar Bakery thing: According to Silva, the bakery never refused or denied the guy service outright. She did offer a workaround.

Honestly, I think that's one of the best ways to handle it. Offer to make the blanks/partials (or the one with the two guys holding hands), and then give extra icing or sugar letters for the message/red X/whatever. Guy gets his cakes espousing his views, baker gets a customer without compromising her views, everybody's happy (Except for Bill Jack and whoever the hateful message is directed towards). Noir LeSable (talk) 19:26, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

"RARGH, you won't let us discriminate against people and NOW YOU WON'T LET US FORCE PEOPLE TO DISCRIMINATE! DOUBLE STANDARD RARGH." Fundies can just fuck right off. Ikanreed (talk) 19:51, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Ironically, fancy cakes are kinda gay. X Stickman (talk) 20:35, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
*turns into a little black kid* That's gay-cist! And cake-ist! 141.134.75.236 (talk) 11:36, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
You want doctors and pastors to be allowed to deny service based on their beliefs, but when a bakery doesn't want to put an anti-gay message on a cake due to their non-homosexuality-condemning beliefs, it's religious discrimination? Sheesh, religious right, make up your mind. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 11:56, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
This is specifically about trying to bait liberals into a double standard, thinking that forcing someone to say something specific is the same as offering service to people you are bigoted against. They don't understand how one is free speech, and the other is a gigantic social problem people already suffered through decades of tough struggle to reform. Ikanreed (talk) 13:54, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Typical activist troll, in other words. - Smerdis of Tlön, A ⇒ ¬A. 15:56, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Um...

Call me crazy, but why would a landowner asking for recompensation for a damaged bathroom floor impose on a person's right to pee while standing? To me it seems like it only violates a person's 'right' to fail to aim properly while peeing and fail to clean up the mess they make. >.> 141.134.75.236 (talk) 11:18, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Almost everywhere there's an expectation that landlords are responsible for maintenance of properties, especially with respect to superficial property damage from day-to-day use. Ikanreed (talk) 13:51, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
I think this is the point. By my understanding, the ruling does not make it an unalienable right for men to pee in ther flat however they please without having to pay for damages. It simply states: It is common for men to pee standing, and because there were no provisions on this in the rental contract, the man could justly assume that he could do so without being charged for damages caused by it. Because in Germany, reparation of damages caused by day-to-day use are mostly the landlord's obligations upon moving out. --Sophophobe (talk) 22:56, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] North Korean restaurants

Is it possible the restaurants are just mafia dens? Cracked.com already posted that North Korean agents are known to swap counterfeit notes for real ones and then send them back to the state. They also cite articles relating to North Korea's restaurants already open in East Asia, which are believed to be big on money laundering (also for the purpose of financing the state).-- Forerunner (talk) 15:38, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

[edit] Teacher Shooters

So let me get this straight, a student could freak out in class and start breaking desks. Under that law the teacher would be able to shoot at that student. And, if they missed and hit another kid, they wouldn't be liable for a penny? That's kinda fucked up. AyzmoCheers 16:38, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

I think that kinda is kinda unnecessary. As is my kinda. 141.134.75.236 (talk) 23:07, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
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