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Taken away your tech rights,

You had no call to instigate the filter like that.

AceThe Rep Grows Bigger05:10, 7 July 2012

I agree. Abuse filters should be for catching spammers and vandals, not sweeping disputes between editors under the rug.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX05:15, 7 July 2012

The case for abuse is flimsy at best. Take me to coop if you really think I did anything wrong and we can hash it out. But this ain't the way to go. Blue's filter edits need reverting.

AceThe Rep Grows Bigger05:17, 7 July 2012

Yeah, I think that was out of line (she did it for HK too a while back before changing her mind - might be a good idea to do that here too, hmm?). Somebody fix it and let's forget about it, we already have enough arguments going on and I was totes just about to start another...

Peter HFB205:22, 7 July 2012

I can do it, if someone gives me tech rights temporarily.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX05:23, 7 July 2012

It is off.

Тytalk05:25, 7 July 2012

Was the modification she made to abuse filter #10 at the same time anything to do with this?

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX05:28, 7 July 2012

No.

Тytalk05:30, 7 July 2012
 

There isn't any other apparent reason

AceThe Rep Grows Bigger05:30, 7 July 2012

You know you can look for yourself, right?

Peter HFB205:31, 7 July 2012

Abuse filter #10 is hidden from public view.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX05:33, 7 July 2012

I can upload a screen shot if you like.

Тytalk05:34, 7 July 2012
 

I meant ace, actually. At any rate, why would she have needed to use two filters to accomplish the same, insidious task?

Peter HFB205:36, 7 July 2012
 

Edit filter 10 is the anti-vandal username list, she actually removed from it.

Тytalk05:34, 7 July 2012
 
 
 
 

Anyone could - I think Ty just did.

Peter HFB205:25, 7 July 2012
 

Totes isn't a word. Anyway, Blue is using the rights granted in a way she shouldn't. There is a case for rights abuse here - much more so than anything I have done

AceThe Rep Grows Bigger05:24, 7 July 2012

Not a word? Not so loud, people might hear!

Peter HFB205:26, 7 July 2012

There is no case for "rights abuse!" Not only were you not affected in any meaningful wa y, there is nothing that stipulates what grounds for removal of tech rights.

Blue (pester)07:34, 7 July 2012

Technically, Ace was within his rights, as the techs are appointed by the moderators — although he probably ought to have left it up to some other moderator.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX07:37, 7 July 2012

As I was within my rights to reinstate them. Really, only a couple people even know how to use the edit filter and I've done some good work with it. This may have been laziness on my part but it's not as if I caused any harm to Ace with one warning.

Blue (pester)07:46, 7 July 2012

If you think this is an acceptable use of the abuse filter system, we might need to discuss some restrictions on what kinds of abuse filters are allowed.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX07:55, 7 July 2012

The thing is, while I do consider it an abuse of the edit filter, the damage done was not even worth this HCM. The edit filter could've been much worse than a simple warning not to edit Voxhumana's talkpage. If Blue had wanted to, she could've programmed it, for example, to take away all his user rights and block him for a period of time. THAT, perhaps, would've been worth all the current bitching. But not what really happened. That wasn't worth this nonsense.

The Noisy Orchestra Oi! Oi! Oi!08:00, 7 July 2012

The reason I pursued the matter like I did is that (recalling the discussion we had about this on RationalWikiWiki a while back) I thought that such uses of the abuse filter needed to be nipped in the bud.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX08:07, 7 July 2012
 

I would think that discussion would be good to have regardless of this incident. The filter is a very powerful tool and I do think it can be used for non-vandalism prevention purposes. My Ace warning filter was probably lazy moderating and not wholly necessary- especially as it seems to have caused a minor HCM.

Blue (pester)08:01, 7 July 2012

I regret ever installing the edit filter. Just look at RWW, it's now being used to prevent Brx from editing in some fashion (the filter is private, so I don't know what it does actually, but I can guess).

-- Nx / talk08:08, 7 July 2012

Actually I'll confirm that there is no anti-Brx filter at RWW. The one you're talking about is an editing rate limit filter.

Blue (pester)08:19, 7 July 2012

So that makes it ok?

-- Nx / talk08:22, 7 July 2012

It's not specific to Brxbrx.

Blue (pester)08:24, 7 July 2012

No, because it affects editor in the "People we dont like" (sic) group. Don't kid yourself.

-- Nx / talk08:26, 7 July 2012

I'm pretty sure it doesn't work...

Peter HFB208:35, 7 July 2012
 

What is the number of the alleged anti-Brxbrx filter?

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX08:26, 7 July 2012
-- Nx / talk08:27, 7 July 2012

Ah. That filter has nothing to do with Brxbrx or any other editor.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX08:32, 7 July 2012
This filter, here?
The Noisy Orchestra Oi! Oi! Oi!08:39, 7 July 2012

And how was I supposed to know that it was a joke?

-- Nx / talk08:43, 7 July 2012

You might have avoided jumping to conclusions about it.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX08:45, 7 July 2012

Please let me offer that I liked it a lot better when Nx was fucked off instead of back here being a bitch and making points or whatever nastiness he was doing by pushing the voting system and creating half the problem Trent found. Bravo, Nx. Nice "HCM." Way to promote order.

Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg13:51, 7 July 2012

Personally, I liked it a lot better when bitter grudge-holders didn't derail every single conversation they took part in. But what do I know? I'm not exactly one of the popular Jocks.

Scarlet A.pngpathetic13:58, 7 July 2012

Every single discussion, eh? Good solid critical thinking there.

Nutty Roux100x100 anarchy symbol.svg14:14, 7 July 2012

I suspect Armond was using a device known as "hyperbole" there. In any case, are people trying to resolve disputes still or has this deteriorated into just another bitchfest?

DickTurpis (talk)14:25, 7 July 2012
 

Personally, I liked it a lot better when bitter grudge-holders didn't use the website's abuse filter to take sides in personal quarrels.

The amount of self-righteousness here is stifling. Let's not pretend this was a "personal quarrel." Or that I have a "bitter grudge" with Ace. Ace was quite clearly being an asshole, even Trent spoke up about it.

Blue (pester)16:56, 7 July 2012

If it was a community issue rather than a personal quarrel, it should have been brought up at Chicken Coop/ATiM for community input. If it wasn't, it shouldn't have been fixed with abuse filter changes.

There is a fair amount of greyish area between a community issue and a personal quarrel, but I'm content to let this tempest in a teapot die quickly.

Blue (pester)18:34, 7 July 2012

No such luck, it seems.

You can't always get what you want.

Blue (pester)01:51, 19 July 2012
 

Virtually everything that happens around here can be traced to a grudge - even when the actions are quite legitimate.

I don't know if that's unique to RW, or just the results of the "internet" mentality.

Green mowse.pngGodotQu'un sang impur abreuve nos sillons23:15, 18 July 2012

Everywhere. Even extends offline.

Тytalk23:24, 18 July 2012