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Will this ever be more than a category of one? PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 01:45, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Beats filing him under segregationists. I'm sure that there are other figures relevant to our mission that will fit the category. If we include Apartheid, we may well include some members of the South African government.--User:Brxbrx/sig 01:55, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. I am sure he is not the only American politician (or other notable figure) who supported segregation but later changed his mind. (((Zack Martin)))™ 02:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- While I admit that I was obviously mistaken about the "category of one" thing, segregation (in the US sense of the term) and apartheid have some ideas in common, but I think you lose more than you gain in terms of understanding them as the results of very different historical trajectories by linking them together in a generalized way. I don't think Trent Lott and, say, F.W. deKlerk fit very comfortably in the same category. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 02:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- I think one difference is the name "apartheid" is very specific to South Africa, although people sometimes try to extend it by analogy to other situations. By contrast, the term "segregation", while it commonly gets used with specific reference to US history, is in itself a generic term, and so can apply to other situations much more easily than apartheid can. (((Zack Martin)))™ 02:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- I did say if we include Apartheid. I was unsure and I think segregation evokes the American South, but I was also in a haste to justify this new category--User:Brxbrx/sig 02:34, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- I think one difference is the name "apartheid" is very specific to South Africa, although people sometimes try to extend it by analogy to other situations. By contrast, the term "segregation", while it commonly gets used with specific reference to US history, is in itself a generic term, and so can apply to other situations much more easily than apartheid can. (((Zack Martin)))™ 02:24, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- While I admit that I was obviously mistaken about the "category of one" thing, segregation (in the US sense of the term) and apartheid have some ideas in common, but I think you lose more than you gain in terms of understanding them as the results of very different historical trajectories by linking them together in a generalized way. I don't think Trent Lott and, say, F.W. deKlerk fit very comfortably in the same category. PintOfStout Talk Good people drink good beer. 02:14, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- I agree. I am sure he is not the only American politician (or other notable figure) who supported segregation but later changed his mind. (((Zack Martin)))™ 02:02, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
George Wallace changed his mind on segregation?--User:Brxbrx/sig 02:36, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, later in his career. By the 1980s he was anti-segregation again and wooing the African-American vote. It wasn't the first time he changed his mind about it. I see him as a consummate cynical politician, blowing with whatever winds are in the air as long as it gets him elected. Sort of like a Dixiecrat version of Mitt Romney... Secret Squirrel (talk) 12:15, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
- Justice Black, US Supreme Court guy, participated in Brown v. Board - he was a serious segrigationist till he got on the bench and learned a thing or two about what laws separating people actually do to them and their rights to try to make the best out of themselves.
GodotSome would use a tautology to describe it ("The way things are done around here is the wa 02:45, 28 November 2011 (UTC)
- Justice Black, US Supreme Court guy, participated in Brown v. Board - he was a serious segrigationist till he got on the bench and learned a thing or two about what laws separating people actually do to them and their rights to try to make the best out of themselves.
