Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?/Martinez talk

Jacques Barzun's, Darwin, Marx, and Wagner [1] is an excellant source on this. Darwin in fact wanted to dedicate Origin of Species to Marx and Das Kapital, the atheist manifesto of the day, but Marx declined the honor [2] precisely as you say, because of the stigma it would attach to the "scientific" theory. And Barzun's credentials on 19th century subjects are well established. RobS 14:58, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

Hi Rob

Sorry to disappoint you but this is a common error in the literature about Darwin. He did not want to dedicate Origin to anybody, quite the contrary. I think you have mistaken the error that Marx wanted to dedicate Das Kapital to Darwin. We know for a fact that this is not true and let me explain why.

First, we know for a fact that Marx thought very highly of Darwin's theory. He even wrote to Engels in excitement telling him that the Origin was the view in natural history that represented "our view" meaning the Atheist view. Of course Marx and Engels were the two most infamous declared Atheists in this time period (other than Darwin and Huxley) and the fact that Marx instantly recognized Origin of Species as atheistic tells objective persons eveything they need to know about Charles Darwin.

Edward Aveling is a famous Atheist and he and Darwin exchanged letters. Aveling asked Darwin if he would allow a publication that he was part of to be dedicated to him. This publication was going to feature Darwin's evolution arguments as refuting the existence of God and Christianity. Darwin declined saying that he did not want to offend his Christian wife and other family members. Aveling was married to the daughter of Marx and this couple, for a few years, had possession of the Marx papers. Darwin's letter to Aveling got mixed in with the Marx correspondence. We know Marx gave a copy of Das Kapital to Darwin as it sat on a shelf in his house for years. Atheist scholars make a big deal over the fact that most of its pages were "uncut."

Ray 7-2-07

Wow. Fascinating. (I had it backwards anyway). I've also heard it said that Wagner in fact never read Marx; do you know anything about that? Thanks. RobS 18:21, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

No, I do not know anything about that. Again, thanks for your help and kind words concerning the insult that was directed at me for no reason.

Ray 7-2-07

Ray, Sorry for the inconvenience. If I can ever be of assistance, please feel free to contact me on my talk page, or even email. Thank you for your excellent work. RobS 16:39, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

And thank you for your loyalty to truth and help!

Ray Martinez 8-21-07

• TK, of course, presents himself as a born-again Christian-Creationist

• I think TK's said on a number of occasions he's a non-YEC lapsed Catholic. Rob Smith 16:06, 21 August 2007 (EDT)

Why is this double agent allowed any say in the Darwin article? This is, of course, rhetorical.

Ray

What about this double agent garbage?

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Like I said "born-again Christian-Creationist"

Again, how could a "closet" evolutionist be allowed ANY say in the Darwin article by Andy?

Ray