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Correcting typo

With the 'New Year's Resolution' line - should it be 'Thus proceeds' or 'This precedes'? Anna Livia (talk) 09:56, 31 March 2022 (UTC)

Smith devolves from wanker to downright evil bastard.

He continues to support Putin even after a protest, a peaceful protest mind you, was shelled by his thug genocidal army with possibly hundreds dead. That hell you believe in Rob, well Satan is waiting there to shove a red hot poker up your behind. Evil bastard.--Mercian (talk) 13:31, 2 April 2022 (UTC)

It does seem that the report was somewhat over stated ans they were only attacked with stun grenades. What is not in doubt though was a Russian tank fired at a car occupied by a family before peppering it with machine gun fire before setting fire to it, it was all filmed by a drone. By the way you are not fooling me with your sock puppetry dipshit, a name that suits you well. In my opinion Boris, Macron, Biden etc should stop acting like they are descendants of Neville Chamberlain and actually do something about it.--Mercian (talk) 15:22, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
I'm guessing it'll just be a matter a time before he tells us all the massacred civilians in Bucha are crisis actors. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 07:01, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
He's already there, man. Russian media is currently laying the groundwork for they-were-Nazis-who-had-it-coming, so it's likely that's where Rob will end up, too. Le législateur (talk) 11:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Apparently they were AZOV Regiment which makes me wonder how large a Ukrainian regiment is. In practice a small regiment or battalion has 500 -800 members. The AZOV regiment must have a strength of 20000-30000 thousand which includes old women, children and unborn babies. --Mercian (talk) 21:51, 5 April 2022 (UTC)
I see we've reached the "justifying genocide to own the libs" stage of right-wing fascism. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 10:17, 6 April 2022 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────And now the crawling sack of shite that is rob smith glorifies in the fact that putin is openly threatening to nuke the UK. Oldusgitus (talk) 12:58, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Russia could destroy the UK with nukes no doubt but make no mistake The UK also has the capability to destroy Russia. The movement and location of the Vanguard Class Trident subs is top secret but at least one is at sea at full readiness at all times and there is a good chance another is also deployed. I am guessing one is somewhere in The Arctic and the other if deployed is in the north-west Indian Ocean. That would be 96 warheads ready to go and if only 10% hit their target Russia would be fucked. To add to that France also has one SSBN deployed and America several, I believe they would also respond. Attacking anyone with nukes would see Russia as we know it be no more.--Mercian (talk) 16:00, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

Only *good Christian* swear!

Lol, everyone know you are Ken, User:Conservative. I like how much you like to deny that this isn't about you. (By the way archive.ph doesn't work and update the page from what Ken wrote. Here is the latest version. https://archive.ph/Q0ehW Could someone please run the weblink through the archiver again as this archive is not the latest version.) Could (talk) 10:19, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Ha ha, I'm glad someone else saw that. Apparently we are all scared shitless of him. He is so brave, such a warrior that as soon as someone comments on it it is deep burned. "Pro sodomite sluts and whores".--Mercian (talk) 10:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
When he say that? Could (talk) 10:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
That we are scared of him? I misread the article when I saw it being half asleep at the time. Re reading it we are terrified of Greg Bahnsen who nobody has ever heard of.--Mercian (talk) 10:40, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Oh no when he said "Pro sodomite sluts and whores". Could (talk) 10:49, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Right. You see Kendol has a history of supporting far right terrorism if their victims are who he considers undesirable. He speaks favourably about Anders Breivik saying what he did was wrong but as his victims were liberal "secular leftists" leaders of the future he supports his ideals if not his actions. In a similar vain he condemned the actions of Salman Abedi who carried out The Manchester Arena Bombing but described his victims, mostly children or young adults, one as young as 8, as "Pro sodomite sluts and whores" for going to an Ariana Grande concert in the first place. He has also very recently supported Loyalist Terrorists in Northern Ireland because their victims were overwhelmingly Catholic who he does not consider "Proper Christians". Whenever he decides to try to take the moral high ground I give him a gentle reminder.--Mercian (talk) 11:30, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
WHAT THE COMPLETE FUCK??? Could (talk) 11:34, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
He is possibly not even the worst sysop on Conservapedia unbelievable as it may seem. Schlafly himself as stated the the great conservative bastion of freedom and free speech that is Putin was right to invade Ukraine saying his pretense and justification in doing so was because of a LGBT rally held in Kyiv. He has also supported stoning to death homosexuals and lamented when Brunei reversed their law in allowing them to be executed in such a way. Rob Smith supports the mass murder and possible genocide in The Ukraine because every single Ukrainian is a Nazi. You only have have to read anyone and everyone of his posts in the past 3 months to confirm this. All three in my mind are neo-fascist wankers.--Mercian (talk) 12:05, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
Props to Ken for having the word "fuck" on the "family-friendly" hate blog. Also, who the fuck is Greg Bahnsen? RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 18:05, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
All it took was getting rid of Karajou, and now they have no problem goose-stepping around, screaming "Seig heil!" at the top of their lungs. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 15:39, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Screaming "Schafly is Conservapedia and Conservapedia is Schafly. Schafly! Hail Victory!"
Amazing. I had no idea that I was scared of a terminally online 50+ year old reactionary with poor writing skills. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:52, 29 April 2022 (UTC)
Conservapedia is really turning into a circus. 71.208.x.x (talk) 01:17, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Even worse, it's boring. LondonGrump (talk) 07:58, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Yes, it's nowhere near as funny as it used to be. On the other hand, claiming that I'm afraid of some dead guy I've never heard of was a good attempt to get back into the game.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 08:09, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

"All it took was getting rid of Karajou, and now they have no problem goose-stepping around, screaming "Seig heil!" at the top of their lungs." Amazing. If you had told me back in the day that Karajou was the voice of reason... (I wasn't paying attention, tho: what happened to him?) RagingHippie (talk) 19:12, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Karajou quit because of Rob and LT (who is a teenager) are both idiots. 71.208.x.x (talk) 19:56, 30 April 2022 (UTC)
Karajou had all the nasty qualities that the other sysops had. He did however have one quality that is positive to the vast majority but abhorrent to CP.--Mercian (talk) 23:39, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Debunking the attacks on the Left from Conservapeida

For awhile I have been trying to debunk this page on Conservapedia: https://archive.ph/EOw8o The title alone is cringe: "Left-wing violence under the Biden junta (2021-22)"

There is so much to go over. Can I please have some help — Unsigned, by: 289blue / talk / contribs

On talk pages, please sign your comments using four tildes (~~~~) or by clicking on the sign button: SigButt.png on the toolbar above the edit panel. You can also indent successive talk page comments using one more colon (:) for each line. Thank you.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 08:42, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
Most of their sources converge to a site called gateway pundit. It's a pro trump website. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-election-threats-gatewaypundit/ HighboiWhen the king and the pawn are in the same box 07:11, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

What do you mean by debunk it? Where? You certainly won't get far posting anything on CP.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 08:46, 7 May 2022 (UTC)

Having taken a little gander at the thing in question, it seems like refuting each of the perhaps 130 'incidents' would a) take forever and b) be pointless. As Highboi points out, if you really 'feel the need' to refute it all perhaps the best bet would be to attack it's main 'source', the Gateway Pundit. Destroy the credibility of the source, the claims then fall on it's arse.
In this case, if you are going to do this, perhaps you could do it via improving the RW article on it? KarmaPolice (talk) 14:11, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
You ain't ever going to debunk anything on cp. If you post anything that goes against their hateful rhetoric it will be reverted and you will be blocked. You're wasting your time and noone will waste their time 'helping' you. Wnat to check, post something that goes against rob's hero worshipping of putin and the russian atrocities in Ukraine.Oldusgitus (talk) 15:35, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
This is a gish gallop anyways, two accounts (as mentioned, one a fanatically pro-Putin one) are basically throwing all the shit they can, even if there is zero relation to Joe Biden. You have to be in some alternate fantasy world where a Twitter feud between Lil Nas X and Kaitlin Bennett actually matters to anyone, let alone the Biden administration.
The Gateway Pundit has a habit seen across the worst right-wing media, where apolitical crime stories are falsely spun to being committed by left-wing boogeymen. They've done it enough for The Other Wiki to have an entire section on thisWikipedia, and it's also mentioned in a single paragraph on the Rationalwiki article. This Conservapedia page seems to rely heavily on Gateway Pundit's "all criminals must be BLM antifa liberals!" bullshit spin (I checked a couple that definitely fit this pattern at least), so I would concur that the best way to attack this page would be to expand the depiction of the Gateway Pundit's fake news tendencies. Meh (talk) 17:55, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
So there are really a number of problems here. Firstly, I completely agree that it's a sort of Gish Gallop in that every one of these unfortunate claims would require a response which would often be substantially longer than the claim itself, and producing that would need a hell of a lot of time and effort. Secondly, I'm still not clear where this proposed (and regularly updated) rebuttal would be posted. The "logical" place would Conservapedia as people would be easily able to compare the claim and rebuttal. But we all know that there is absolutely no possibility of it being posted there. I guess that we might host it if there were sufficient community interest. But that leads me to my third point - who would the audience for this massive exercise be and how would they find it after reading the Conservapedia article?Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 18:17, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
CP's Biden pages are so self-evidently stupid that I skipped past debunking and went straight towards making fun of them. Pizza SLICE.gifChef Moosolini’s Ristorante ItalianoMake a Reservation 19:17, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
You need to use the same techniques employed by Deborah Lipstadt's lawyer in Irving v. Penguin Books Ltd. It would have been a vast waste of time covering every point that David Irving made in his ongoing output of antisemitic trash, an exact parallel to the Gish Gallop techniques employed by CP and its ilk. The defense instead focused on Irving's complete double standards for evidence and facts and the threshold for what truth is, depending on the source and the intent of the material. It's in the same vein as Rob Smith screaming himself into a frothing rage over the police murder of a white woman by a black officer, and the character assassination that followed (which is police SOP in these cases), yet fail to see any wrongdoing or root-cause connection linked to any knee-jerk murder of a black person by a white officer that results in the same character assassination etc. Don't indict them on what they try to present as reason and fact; indict them on their fucked standards of evidence, and keep hammering it. Semipenultimate (talk) 15:56, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
...and every time you hammer you validate their embattled world view...LondonGrump (talk) 05:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
I agree, it's very convenient for their perpetual-victimhood narrative, but if you have another alternative to refuting an endless stream of PRATTs that works, I'd like to hear it. Semipenultimate (talk) 15:28, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Nobs sadism towards Ukraine driving people out of CP

I dunno, I feel like CP is even more empty nowadays. Even Ken has been absent. The only reason I can think of is Nobs cheering for Russia and Putin in the war. Indeed sad, though I'm glad he's not here anymore so we don't have to see his garbage on RW too. GeeJayK (talk) 13:59, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

Knobs does not care about Russia, The Ukraine or Conservapedia he cares about his almighty god that is Donald Trump. Putin enabled Trump and Zelensky denied him, that is where his stance comes from, same goes for Schafly. Trump initially condemned the invasion therefore so did Schafly and Smith was quiet on the matter. Trump has since pulled back on his condemnation and Schalfy's posts have becoming more anti Ukraine and Smith has ran riot. The pair were very pro NATO before Trump's criticism of the organisation so now they hate it and if Trump is OK with mass murder and genocide so are they. What a pair of abhorrent automatons they are.--Mercian (talk) 22:44, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Seriously, if Rob wasn't busy trolling about the war, there would prolly be fewer than 20 edits a day there. RagingHippie (talk) 23:02, 14 May 2022 (UTC)