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Ken is permabanned, so some advice[edit]

If he tries to write any more comments on here, please revert and ban. Anything he writes on here, it's already written in Conservapedia in an essay anyhow. You can talk about those, that's fine, but do not directly engage otherwise. Thanks. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 05:58, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

When was this decided? Did we discuss this or did you get up feeling grumpy and pull it out of your arse? There are ways of shutting people down without banning or censoring them. LondonGrump (talk) 06:53, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
@LondonGrump Yes, there was a discussion. It lasted 5 days and 24 people voted. 14 people voted for Ken to be permabanned and 10 for him not to be. You could have voted for him to stay. You had your chance. It's too late now. I was the one that did the actual permabanning. So if you want to accuse anyone of being rash and censoring a fucking homophobic troll, you can accuse me. So that I wouldn't be accused of sweeping the momentous banning of the oh-so-important Ken DeMyer who was so important to the history of this wiki under the rug, I posted this announcement in the Saloon Bar. And what the fuck did you think Ken's long rambling essay in which he name checks me several times was about if you didn't know he'd be permabanned here? Spud (talk) 13:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Banning him for being a homophobic troll? That is one of his more desirable qualities.--Mercian (talk) 16:09, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
@Spud Eleven mentions vs my three. I think you touched a nerve. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
Give me a break. Conservapedia is still there, he's posting his garbage like usual on there, and he's just copypasting his words on here. You'll likely be continuing as normal what you're doing, jeering at his little miserable act. You just shouldn't interact with him directly that's just the difference. All I'm asking is just housekeeping. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 18:45, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Antifa fascists assault an old man in Ken's home town.[edit]

The fascist terrorists waded down the street and acting with great machismo violently pushed over a peacefully protesting elderly man and left him to bleed on the ground with none of them stopping to help or protest. Was it Antifa?--Mercian (talk) 19:30, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Anti-fascist fascists. Sounds legit. Oxyaena Harass 19:56, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, not even these far right-wingers understand the ideology they're supposed to love so much. Wow. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 20:24, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
Don't miss the genuwine Antifa manual, "dropped ... during a riot" so breathlessly presented as a must-read. It's so heavy handed that any decent satirist would realize it's hopelessly over the top. I won't spoil any of it's greatest moments by citing them. But it is a must-read. Even Snopes can't believe they have to bother. Whoover (talk) 20:33, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
It's all bullshit anyway. The policeman's actions did not contribute to Mr Floyds death, it was Coronavirus[1], a disease CP is in denial about. How stupid are these protestors? They are protesting about a vastly overstated disease no more dangerous than mild flu claiming another victim at the same time not following social distancing rules. What a bunch of hypocrties.--Mercian (talk) 21:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
The great scholar Rob Smith gets confused in every post whether it is communist or fascist terrorists rioting against the mighty state and it's leader. Breaking the law and 1st amendment, violently dispersing a peaceful crowd so he could trespass on private property, threaten martial law and using his lackeys to violently silence opposition reminiscent of Joffrey in King's Landing is in no way fascism though. It's the actions of a divinely appointed great leader ousing with machismo. --Mercian (talk) 20:48, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Quality Vandalism[edit]

What the hell, I thought it was funny enough to post over here. Or I'm just bored and can't sleep |Click here if it gets oversighted--"Shut up, Brx." 08:17, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

I'm a wimpy cowardly agnostic.[edit]

[2] I would not refuse to show my face for a charitable donation of $20 USD let alone $20,000. I have fought in 4 theatres of war, each time I was scared but every time I put aside my fears and did my job. Tell me the conflicts you have been to. I thought you had overwhelming respect for veterans and in 3 of the 4 cases we were working with or close to the American Army, even the time when one of their Apaches destroyed a British Warrior killing 8 infantrymen. I am bit of a Marty McFly when someone calls me yellow and you are a cowardly cunt. Pro sodomite sluts and whores.--Mercian (talk) 18:10, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

PS, we were understandably angry after the Apache incident and were not too happy with the Americans that day. We were up for a scrap, the American's were not. They ran away. Truth.--Mercian (talk) 18:22, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
"Of course, given that the New Atheism movement was significantly the result of a wimpy and cowardly agnostic (Is there any other kind of agnostic other than the wimpy and cowardly variety?), it was doomed to failure." --Mercian (talk) 18:11, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Has Ken been on drugs? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:32, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
I would wager it's that he needs drugs. AceModerator 21:35, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Given the hours he keeps, it would not come as a surprise if he does meth--"Shut up, Brx." 21:43, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Anyone who knows anything about the subject would know that New Atheism was a result of and a response to the increased overt religious fundamentalism (including Islam in particular) of the early to mid 2000s. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:49, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Would any decent man, of any race, religion or non religion, delight in the death of an 8 year old girl describing her as having "A high degree of sexual morality". I am sure he meant immorality but As Richard Ashcroft sang, "The drugs don't work".--Mercian (talk) 23:34, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
When embarrassment rears it's ugly head he bravely over-sited his posts and fled. Brave brave Sir Kendol.--Mercian (talk) 01:20, 8 June 2020 (UTC)

Rob and Delusions of Grandeur[edit]

Rob sez - I know for a fact several prominent media people cull CP pages and MPR for ideas and talking points that they claim as their own and never give us credit. RobSLive Free or Die 19:47, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

Amazing. Who are these media people and how do you know? AceModerator 00:20, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Terry Hurlbut is the most prominent "media" person to have every derived anything from CP other than fodder for late night comedy--Hastur! (talk) 00:30, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
Love how you're thinking that you invented pointing a finger while shrieking COMMUNISM! But no, scapegoating people without power as the REAL cause of white people's problems goes way back. Semipenultimate (talk) 18:46, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Unreconstructed racism from RobS[edit]

He really went off the deep end once Trump came to power--Hastur! (talk) 15:56, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

I think I;m going to be sick. Spud (talk) 16:14, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
I'd like RobS to give us a bit more on what really happened than "fake news." Guy who shot up the protest is a militia member who ran for city council on a right-wing platform and ran a Friends of the Albuquerque Police Facebook page. Is that fake news a conspiracy? A false flag? A black guy with a Steven Baca mask? Never happened? RobS must know. Whoover (talk) 16:21, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
He should make up his mind.One moment it's communists, the next fascists and then oxymoronically anti fascist fascists. One group who hold no responsibility are the actual fascist Trump and his lackeys. In the UK I was very disappointing to hear about the violence caused by the pro BLM protests until I discovered it was caused by the likes of the EDL and football thugs. Hitler blamed the Jews and communists for the world's ills and Trump and by extension Rob blames everybody he hates. Fuck Godwin's law, it's appropriate here.--Mercian (talk) 16:54, 16 June 2020 (UTC)
That is one of the absolutely most pathetic "red herrings" I have ever seen. The only fake news I've seen on this story so far (aside from the "whitewashing" of history done on Conservapedia as usual) is the fake news from Russia Today and others found on the "New Mexico Civil Guard's" now-deleted Facebook page.. Soundwave106 (talk) 17:20, 16 June 2020 (UTC)

Looks like we embarrassed him--Hastur! (talk) 04:39, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

Good. Spud (talk) 05:56, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
I would say his side are losing but I think they have already lost. The (English) Football Association are hot on political protests and symbolism. Even something as uncontroversial like "Support the victims of Grenfell" displayed by a player will result in a yellow card. Overt political support by a club is in no way tolerated and could result in heavy fines or even point deductions. One or two players revealed support for Colin Colin Kaepernick on the field of play and were banned for a game. But today this happened, the man dressed in black is the referee.[3]. If a crusty upper-middle classed classically conservative organisation such as The FA allow this to happen then the feeling at more liberal organisatons must be rapant.--Mercian (talk) 19:32, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

That's not what happened at all. I thumbnailed the background to the incident upon initial reports. As more reports came out, it not only corroborated what I originally posted, it added more detail. The portion I removed from MPR I was able to condense from one wordy paragraph to a sentence which I moved up in the headlines. The story, including the original MPR links, is permanently part of the 2020 Marxist uprising narrative with it's own subhead.

So no, you didn't embarrass me at all. You helped expose leftwing duplicity and racism. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 18:21, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

IOWs, Mexicans in New Mexico are proud of their Mexican heritage. They are descendants of Conquistadors and were never slaves. They think Democrats can take their divisive identify politics and stick it up their ass. And they will stand up to fight Democrat hate and violence. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 18:26, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

The real reason why Trump's rally bombed, lack of access to hydroxychloroquine.[edit]

[4]--Mercian (talk) 06:14, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

rofl still props for them admitting they had shitty turnout. I think Andy's gonna be swallowing his pride a lot more this year--Hastur! (talk) 06:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
There we go, this'll let Andy save face--Hastur! (talk) 15:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Could one of you hydroxians please come here and explain your hypothesis? Because based on what you've said, the hydroxy must be taken before you start to feel sick i.e. five days before you 'get' COVID-19. Given that you can be contagious for days before you realize it, doesn't this mean that for your concept to work literally every single person in the USA would need to be on the hydroxy every day for the duration as a precaution? It's $15 a day per person at the lowest rates here in the States, but with a steep bulk discount of 66% off and would only be a mere fifteen-hundred million dollars a day. Of course that would require federal efforts to mitigate costs, and Trump seems to love fucking up the market and jacking up costs (see his PPE and ventilator comments with the governors and about a hundred other points of evidence), so that $1.5 billion could be forced to ten times that or more. And you'd also have to convince the die-hard Republicans who spit in your face when you ask them to wear a mask that these 'government drugs' weren't just going to make them gay or whatever nonsense Alex Jones farted out this morning. Semipenultimate (talk) 17:42, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Rob has gone completely round the bend.[edit]

He’s a fucking lunatic. AceModerator 08:54, 21 June 2020 (UTC)

Yikes. This looks like the lede for his Grand Unified Theory on the Source Of All Evil. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 14:03, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Tearing down a Lincoln statue??? There's talk to take down THIS statue, and if Rob can't understand why he needs to put down the crack pipe. The Grant statue I'll give him some leeway.--Hastur! (talk) 14:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
I'm afraid to call the election so early, but I think that the clearer it gets that Trump is going to lose the more unhinged we're going to see them get--Hastur! (talk) 14:30, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
His portion about the virus was one of his most unhinged moments. Paraphrase "If we do not test for "Kung Flu" then we will have no new cases and the virus will disappear." I'm not medical professional but I don;t think it works that way--Mercian (talk) 17:02, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
It's the age old question, If a virus spreads in the city and there's no-one there to test it, does it really exist? 147.147.41.102 (talk) 20:58, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
... and we could prevent broken bones by destroying all the x-ray machines too! 147.147.41.102 (talk) 21:00, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
The age old question depends if no-one has to be human. Trees will have other life like insects living in them, insects can hear so it does make a noise.--Mercian (talk) 21:23, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Wow. I thought it was one of my more profound and illuminating analysis that will withstand the test of time. nobsFree Roger Stone! 16:08, 20 July 2020 (UTC)

Greatest conservative sports star Novak Djokovic[edit]

Greatest Conservative Sports Star Novak Djokovic speaks out against mandatory vaccination for COVID-19. [5] Djokovic is the #1 tennis player in the world.

Has Covid 19.--Mercian (talk) 16:15, 23 June 2020 (UTC)

Would anybody be interested in helping me delete content copied from Conservapedia on another wiki?[edit]

I'm an admin on Religion Wiki (part of Fandom) that has several hundred articles copied from Conservapedia. I have decided that to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem, I have to delete all of them. If you'd be interested in helping me, contact me here, tell me your RationalWiki user name, if it's different from your Fandom one and, if I trust you I will make you an admin. Then you can go here and start nuking the fuckers. Spud (talk) 01:36, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

I've now deleted all the pages in the Articles with content from Conservapedia category. I've also found and deleted a few more that weren't in that category. I think I've got most of them. But I'll probably keep stumbling across pages copied from Conservapedia for years to come. Spud (talk) 15:10, 29 June 2020 (UTC)

Nobs really does seem like he's losing it[edit]

[6][7] He didn't used to babble on MPR so much. Trouble at home?--Hastur! (talk) 19:59, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

@RobSmith Come home. Oxyaena Harass 20:10, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Nobs is the new Ken[edit]

Editing CP from morning until the wee hours of the night--Hastur! (talk) 04:44, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I have been chatting with Ken fairly extensively as of late. He's actually not a bad person once you get past the weird and crazy beliefs. He has told me he wants to spend less time on CP to pursue personal goals so Rob has to rise to the mantle. AceModerator 05:14, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
Watch out, I have had friendly relations with Ken before, he then turned around and bit my hand off. That is why I have a go at him here, not because of his beliefs but because of his lack of trustworthiness.--Mercian (talk) 17:26, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
What did he do, if you don't mind my asking?--Hastur! (talk) 17:51, 30 June 2020 (UTC)
This is not exact but how I remember it and the jist is correct. Back in 2017 I praised him for showing occasional signs of being rational etc. He then wrote a few articles on how "Atheist Wiki user finds him less repulsive than other CP syops." I made an account there, posted once or twice than I got a firm welcome from him in the region of, "Atheists are far more likely to get cancer (I am recovering now but then it was still a huge worry), deny this and lose all credibility.", "Children going to pop concerts in England (some as young as 8) deserve to be killed by a terrorist because they are ""Pro sodomite sluts and whores"" deny this and lose all credibility before blocking me so I could not respond or deny. He has a record of doxing and reporting the doxed person to his employer citing "hate speech". He is an untrustworthy scumbag who yes, does on occasion rise above the madness, but still a scumbag.--Mercian (talk) 22:00, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Unsurprising--Hastur! (talk) 22:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
Rob on the other hand has always been amiable but the lad has totally lost it. MPR after countless MPR postings have blamed everybody for the current unrest and pandemic except Pro Trump conservatives. White Power, White Lives Matter, Black Lives Matter, Antifa etc are all terrorist fascists, Nazis or communists(depending on his mood)under the control of Clinton/Obama/Gates/Soros/Add any conservative bogey man here. Someone who cannot see or accept that God's representative on Earth is the problem is not just closing their eyes, they have had them surgically removed.--Mercian (talk) 22:37, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
I think he may be reaching the point where his rhetoric and mental excuses can't hold the alternate reality together anymore against the facts. Once you see the cracks, they tend to get bigger and bigger until a reckoning happens. The response, then, is either to pause and re-assess, or to double down and push against the doubts and reach new extremes. Nobs has chosen the latter. Semipenultimate (talk) 15:07, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Also I don't read CP; has he started drinking the Q-aid there? Semipenultimate (talk) 15:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
[8] Comparable to Ken's most manic episodes.--Mercian (talk) 19:28, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
Ken returns after 10 days and posts "Atheism and Cancer".[9] Do people still think he is a good guy? Get back in your shell you pro terrorist pro murder scumbag.--Mercian (talk) 17:48, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Chess benefits[edit]

Anyone know what to make of this brain fart?. Checkmate is the result of substance abuse? AceModerator 02:58, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

I think "checkmate" here is a metaphor for dying from an overdose. Whoover (talk) 18:41, 7 July 2020 (UTC)

CP down[edit]

Did Andy bork something or did he piss off some script kiddies?--Hastur! (talk) 02:26, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

He periodically takes the site down to back up the database. I don't know with what regularity but it's not uncommon. I had a bot pinging the API to pull patrol logs for a certain gentleman and could query my database to look for 404s to discern a pattern but I'm not that interested. If you are I can send you a metric shit ton of data to process. Nutty Roux (talk) 03:13, 8 July 2020 (UTC)

God has a sense of humour.[edit]

[10] I am having trouble understanding what he means. Is God responsible for Covid 19? Is he teasing us with a cure? What?--Mercian (talk) 03:14, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

So... Andy thinks 135,00 dead Americans is God having a laugh, because they lose their sense of smell before they die? RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 10:02, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
i am guessing from the article he links to, hes tickled by the idea that people are struggling to ind an effective test for covid which would work in an instant to prevent asymptomatic infected people jumping on a ane or entering bars and restaurants when all that is needed is to check the sense of smell. for some reason he feels its simple and effective when compared to the various electronic thermometers being tried, in a similar vein to the day of the triffids (the film with howard keel) when they spend so much time and trouble trying to fnd a way to kill the triffids when at the end its simple salt water that does it. or in war of the worlds, its microscopic bacteria that ends the martians. its not belly laughs sure. i think thats what hes on about - im being generous here. the article he links to isnt nowhere near as convinced as he is. wishful thinking that there is a simple solution perhaps.
actually there is a simple solution for prevention of spreading covid via the asymptomatic, they are called face masks AMassiveGay (talk) 11:40, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
"I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours but I think that God's got a sick sense of humour and when I did I expect to find him laughing."--Mercian (talk) 19:52, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
God may have a sense of humor, but Andy certainly does not. I long ago gave up trying to get any of his jokes. Whoover (talk) 20:24, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
He neglects to consider that the same contrarian assholes who spit when you tell them they have to wear a mask to protect others will spit with the same hateful determination if asked to describe a smell. Semipenultimate (talk) 21:45, 9 July 2020 (UTC)

"The Catholic church is a corrupt joke"[edit]

I'm eager to see what Schlafly does once this anti-Catholic revolt makes its way to CP's mainspace--Hastur! (talk) 06:06, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

Andy is too far to the right to care about religion, his god is Trump. [11] This statement shows that he is putting all his eggs in the Navarro basket whilst continuing to denounce Facui, so that's pro life out of the window. He like his heroes care nothing if millions dies as long as Trump continues to sit on the throne, that's democracy and the rule of law (not including the jackboot) out of the window. The Trump presidency in general and the Covid 19 pandemic in particular really has shown Andy and his ilk's true colours. In November he will have nowhere to go. He had a chance to temper his extremism just a little and at least appear on the right side of history instead his has moved even further to right and sticks up his finger to all people, whatever race, age, political persuasion or age who do not follow his saviors goals religiously. A very bitter, twisted and sad man, just like his god Donald.--Mercian (talk) 00:10, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
It's all out in the open now. Catholic = conservative, Protestant = liberal. That's why the CBP was created, to correct the "mistakes" liberal bible thumping Protestants made. Even Andy's pre-Vatican II neanderthal experts don't want any part of this blasphemy and heresy. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 19:09, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
One man's heresy is another's Ninety-Five Theses. So in the sense that Catholicism had a great world-controlling power structure and Protestantism sought to end it and/or get a piece of the action (gross oversimplification but this is the fucking Internet), then yes, Protestantism could be viewed as representing the spirit of change and rebellion against entrenched power that you pigeonhole as 'liberal' i.e. in your mind 'evil/Satanic'. This highlights the plastic and changeable nature of religious belief over time. I know this upsets you, because you would prefer to believe that the way you relate to and interact with god is in the exact same way as your ancestors, and not subject to change over time. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:24, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Also please no links to Great Apostasy bullshit. Claims to being the 'original real true Christianty!' are just more efforts to try and create a comforting historical continuity where none exists. Semipenultimate (talk) 20:27, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
This shit is outrageous.
  • I'm an "anti-Catholic zealot" because I removed a reference to priest pedophilia. [12]
  • "some conservative Christians are also fond of citing Scripture selectively ....such as criticizing the Catholic Church for covering up child molestation". Where are the scriptural cites that condone child molestation? No answer. [13]
  • "Espousing cafeteria Christianity [like selectively criticizing pedophilia] invalidates a person's Christian witness." [14]
I think I may take a break from that den of iniquity. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 03:51, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
All Christians are cafeteria; liberal, conservative or moderate. All pick and choose which parts of The Bible they follow or dismiss.--Mercian (talk) 04:28, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Yes, nobs, people get upset when you reveal uncomfortable truths about the concepts they've used as the foundations for their lives, and rather than look to incorporate such truths into their worldview and admit they're capable of making a mistake and/or being tricked by their earthly leaders, they turn inward even more. What luck that you happened to be born into the one true faith for which none of that applies, and you never need to grow or change. Semipenultimate (talk) 18:07, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Nah, I wasn't born into it. I was dragged kicking and screaming into the Kingdom of God. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 19:02, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Then what luck you happened to select the one true faith later in life, and -now- you never need to grow or change. Semipenultimate (talk) 21:59, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
It begins with the faith of mustard seed; now I got birds nesting in my hair. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 22:31, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Poor, poor Nobsie. It's sad to see an old man going off the rails...
Also, stay off the bong. You're too old for that. Gunther1987 (talk) 23:36, 21 July 2020 (UTC)


At a tangent: if you want to distinguish mainstream party corruption from Communism, Rob, start by learning a little about Communism. LondonGrump (talk) 20:16, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Haven't you seen? My Communism article has gone viral. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 15:40, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I was worried about making Gallagher the face of the Communist threat, but Millennials evidently are too stupid to know who he is. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 16:09, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Like I say, you could start by learning a little about Communism. That's better than the arse about face Conservapedia article about Marxism, but it's still shit. Some constructive criticism - it's great on rhetorical illustration and example but doesn't really engage with what Communism, in all its varieties, actually is. You could also tone down the invective and stop cherry picking your historical examples. That would, of course, involve learning a little about Communism.
Oh, and being cited by the Gateway Pundit is no more a mark of quality than ten trillion flies eating shit every day is a reason to tuck into a turd. LondonGrump (talk) 17:23, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Not to be critical, but it kinda sounds like using a condom while having sex with somebody with gonorrhea. Is it worth the risk of condom breaking? nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 19:45, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Makes sense. Your article is the intellectual equivalent of masturbating over someone you're afraid to approach. You control the entire experience without having to deal with the reality. LondonGrump (talk) 23:38, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
What's so holy about communism anyway? What's so awe inspiring about mass murder and godlessness? c'mon with it. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 17:42, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Nobody apart from you has even gone in that direction, Rob. I'm just trying to stop you embarrassing yourself in public. Even my youngest knows better than to talk loudly using words he doesn't understand.LondonGrump (talk) 22:14, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
I'm utterly staggered by the hypocrisy at CP now around Trump. Rob is one of the worst. AceModerator 21:36, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
Every murder, assault, jaywalk and mouthy kid are part of the leftist insurrection against the divinely appointed Trump government. If these elements were neutralised with hollow point "Bama bullets" [15] then all crime will gone and Covid19 will be free to ravage America. Covid19 ravaging America is Trump's and by extension God's punishment for his downturn in popularity. "If they don't support me fuck them" That is effectively what Rudy Giuliani said the day after Trump was elected.--Mercian (talk) 22:41, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
I haven't written much on Trump, at all, ever, other than cataloging attacks on him. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 15:43, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
You watching his presser rn? Stable genius ftw. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 22:03, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
I rarely follow Trump at all, Not his tweets, pressers, etc. Truthfully, I couldn't make sense out of anything Papa Bush, Baby Bush, or Trump ever said; Clinton & Obama made me wanna puke just looking at them. And Reagan didn't have much to say his last few years. So I really haven't listened to any President in a long time. And presidential candidates are even more sickening. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 02:28, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
You would have no time to follow him closely as you spend all your time trying to find ways to blame every crime or nuisance in America on everybody but him and his supporters. A number of your posts don't even have links or references. If the Proud boys cause crap you find a way to blame to blame communist Nazi (and Anti Nazi) fascist BLM supporting democrats. Perhaps following Rick Wiles advice to stop them all with "Bama Bullets" is more up your street. [16] If that were to happen you would find a way to blame the communist Nazi etc. It would certainly not be Wiles fault as he is a good wholesome conservative.--Mercian (talk) 13:19, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Who are the Proud Boys? Really, I only have a vague idea from a few sources. MSM obviously cannot be trusted and must be dismissed, and I'll be goddammed if I follow or repeat their hate narratives. And Proud Boys rarely show up from any of my sources. So not only am I not inclined to investigate them, as they have never been a threat to my rights, I have no reason or need to defend them. 98% of what I hear of 'Proud boys' comes from certified liars on the Left and in the media. That doesn't generate sympathy for Proud boys, but only more suspicion of the Left and media. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 17:39, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
Again "The Left". LondonGrump (talk) 17:43, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
You have an alternative label? It was leftist communism in China that created the global pandemic and economic meltdown; it is the left murdering people in the streets (see Portland homicide statistics; they haven't had more than 5 a month in two years. Now they have one per day. Click on the [Homicide Offenses 29 section]). What is wrong with "Leftist" thinking or ideology? Something is seriously wrong with anyone who thinks believing, voting, tossing bricks through windows, blocking traffic, getting in a strangers face with this crap will build a better world. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 17:55, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
By your logic if a bat in rural America bit someone resulting in SARS_COV 3 transmitting and another pandemic that would mean America and Trump's far right government created it. You are so full of BS that I can smell you across The Atlantic.--Mercian (talk) 21:49, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
I know you're busy with your Corsi-level investigative research, but it wouldn't take long to find out about the Chinese government, the COVID virus or the situation in Portland. Bit by bit, a few minutes every time you stop for coffee, and you'll see the world differently. LondonGrump (talk);
Oh, I'm right on top of the latest significant events. nobsTo Bob Mueller: Every dog has his day. 06:40, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
Grump I think you misunderstand the nature of his side of the relationship. We're just the mistress he shacks up with when he's on the outs with the wife; this time after going on a tear about her 'king in Rome'. We're strictly a port of convenience for him. Semipenultimate (talk) 17:50, 4 August 2020 (UTC)

Andy is accepting defeat[edit]

He's been trying to rationalize for a while now. It's not Trump, it's his ADVISORS--Hastur! (talk) 17:20, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

So in Andy's head it goes, Facebook is evil. Anything that gets kids away from the evil Facebook is by default good. But one of Andy's great conservative heroes speaks out against something Andy has already decided is definitely good. The solution? The great conservatove hero doesn't really think that. Typical Andy really. Spud (talk) 04:37, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
That's bizarre. It's clear that Trump is actually to dumb/arrogant to listen to anyone who doesn't say what he wants to hear. But now Andy's argument is that Trump is in fact to weak/gullible to disagree with his advisers. I would never have thought that I would disagree with a criticism of Trump - buy I'm not buying the new weak/gullible one. He's probably right about the gullible though. Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 09:11, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
I wonder how CP will interpret no College Football this year, and finally recognize Trump is the reason the season is impossible.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Diminished Capacity to Entertain[edit]

July was the first month in a long while (ever?) without a WIGO:CP. That's very healthy. Whoover (talk) 15:40, 2 August 2020 (UTC)

It definitely hasn't been the first time ever. To be honest, I'm surprised that somebody found at least one thing worth pointing and laughing at for every month from January 2019 until June 2020. Spud (talk) 04:18, 3 August 2020 (UTC)
Perhaps we've just become desensitised because the staggering stupidity is still there. Take today's MPR, for example. An MSBNC producer resigns over fake news and calls the channel a cancer - the item it links to says she thinks it gives Trump a disproportionate amount of time and not enough time to discussing how to vote by mail. Antifa terrorist trained in Libya? Article says the DHS claims some antifa fought alongside anti-ISIS and anti-Assad forces. And so on...LondonGrump (talk) 22:04, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Also Nobs is labeling a prosecutor a communist because???? Like this is particularly egregious. They're not even pointing to Kim Gardner supporting any kind of social programs like public housing. They're calling her a communist without even a tangential relationship to communism--Hastur! (talk) 23:22, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
Charging people for exercising their God-given right to bear arms is not Communist? nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 17:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
That's for a while now: Democrat = Communist. Whoover (talk) 00:07, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Actually they flip flop, a lot and quickly. One hour they are communist and the next fascist. Or are they two different factions within The Democratic Party?--Mercian (talk) 00:17, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Aye, the fascist democrats and the commie democrats have been at war for a while now...--Hastur! (talk) 00:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Don't forget that Hitler and the Fascists were leftists. Since Stalin and FDR were leftists too, I think the right sat out WWII. Whoover (talk) 00:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
You think it was a coincidink that both the commie flag and nazi flag were revolutionary red? nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 17:39, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
And the fascists all joining far-right parties after the war just means they found Jesus and became born-again--Hastur! (talk) 00:41, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Old news; now you are reading DNC talking points from the 1980 election. nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 17:33, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
There's no such thing as the far-right. It goes: God, conservatives, and then increasingly evil shades of leftist. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 01:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Bingo. Helen nails it. Now before you all guffaw, stop and examine for a moment your own thinking and idioms. The Left-Right spectrum was designed for a democratic, multiparty system. Such does not exist in your communist Nirvanna.nobsTo Bob Mueller: [https://youtu.be/gvixPI4IJXI Every dog has his day.] 02:48, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't think anyone sensible has used a straight right-left spectrum for over a century. Even at school, and I'm only a whisker younger than you Rob, we used the left/right libertarian/authoritarian grid. LondonGrump (talk) 08:05, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

You caught us, Rob. We're all communists who hate democracy--Hastur! (talk) 02:50, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
You want my gun? Come gitit, it's right here. Better yet, why don't you send Joe Biden or Barak Obama to come get it. nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 02:56, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
What's that got to do with the price of fish?--Hastur! (talk) 02:58, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
There is no left or right or democracy. All that remains is my human rights. nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 03:00, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Mexico defunded its police a long time ago. nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 03:13, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Nobody bought up guns until you (nobs) decided to threaten us with them. --Mercian (talk) 10:02, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
As Susan Rice would say, I never threatened nobody. Are you looking for the hidden Trump vote in polls? Look at the record gun sales, and many of them are also likely undecided Democrats, black and white, scared shitless by leftist lunacy. nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 17:28, 7 August 2020 (UTC)
Nobs, you've got the makings to be the 21st century's own William Luther Pierce. I can just picture The Nobsy Diaries: "'All that remains is my human rights', he wrote, finishing and signing his manifesto, as he picked up his rifle and sighted down at the commie-homo indoctrination center that dared call itself a school." Semipenultimate (talk) 19:50, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Terry Hurlbut on Quora claims to to hold a B.S. from Engineering & Social Sciences from Yale University[edit]

[17]I thought he was a medical doctor.--Mercian (talk) 19:25, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Top right click credentials--Hastur! (talk) 20:50, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Has anyone noticed...[edit]

...that CP has been down for a couple days now? AceModerator 20:45, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Yeah. Wonder what's going on? I've gotten a few different errors but the most common one is 500--Hastur! (talk) 20:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
It's a joint DDOS attack from the DNC and their CCP allies. nobsTo Bob Mueller:Every dog has his day. 20:55, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Of course it is dear. AceModerator 20:57, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
About time that the Chinese recognize the REAL threat to their degenerate liberal dogma--Hastur! (talk) 21:14, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
They seem to have advanced from 500 to 403. Whoover (talk) 21:38, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
We're all on high alert. The commie coup is operational. nobsBlack Guns Matter 22:42, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Of course, the reds. AceModerator 22:49, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Has Generalissimo Terry got his generator ready? LondonGrump (talk) 04:33, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
It's back up now. I wonder how many people noticed it was gone? It's not like Wikipedia. If people need to know something they don't think to themselves "hey, let's search for it on Conservapedia." At this point Conservapedia is basically just a blog for a handful of rightwing rejects--Hastur! (talk) 08:45, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
It's been at that point for ten years. Avida Dollarsher again 10:54, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
'I understand' that 'the UK submarines that spend most of their time circling the globe underwater' when they surface check that all is well with the world by tuning in to BBC Radio 4 (and a few other activities). Would using CP for the same purpose cause RW to mutate to some equivalent of this wiki? Anna Livia (talk) 14:04, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm still getting 403. Does that mean that I'm on some new block list? Years ago, I was blocked for some unknown reason for months until my IP changed. Whoover (talk) 14:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
It allowed me to look at the Main Page and recent changes and then went into sulk/error mode. Is it because I am UK? Anna Livia (talk) 14:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

They can't afford to be down, what with how they've got to correct their entries for the ending date of WWII and also the Spanish Flu timeframe - Can you believe CP has the end date of WW2 late by almost three decades? Laughable! I see now why you don't pay attention to what Trump says nobs, then you'd actually -NOTICE- the dementia, instead of your current plausible deniability. Semipenultimate (talk) 19:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

Actually, did you know that we must choose truth over facts because of how corn pop was a bad dude, seeing the necessity for an O'Biden 'bama Democrat- er, never mind. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 19:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm willing to wait to judge Biden's physical and mental phyl...his physical and mental fil...you know the thing. nobsBlack Guns Matter 20:12, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Here's an idea: Has anybody tried playing Biden's comments backwards to discover what he's really saying? nobsBlack Guns Matter 20:16, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
But why? Why why why why why why why? Why why why why why? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:19, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
We need leaders who can inspire us. nobsBlack Guns Matter 20:32, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Ah the utter hypocrisy of Rob and the rest of his ilk at CP. "Obama said 'bomb' instead of 'bombs' when talking about Pearl Harbour! He shouldn't be president", "Trump thinks WW2 ended in 1917...no problem". AceModerator 21:44, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Actually, if you had visited all 57 states- er, hold on a sec... LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:06, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Ace is being unfair; in a spirit of bipartisanship and national healing CP could adopt We Choose Truth over Facts as our new logo. nobsBlack Guns Matter 02:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
If only CP would work... I'm still getting "403 - Forbidden" pop-ups that read "Access to this page is forbidden." Is that what you're seeing when trying to go to Conservapedia? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:18, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
By the way RobSmith, I've noticed for the past few months that the editors on RW here will focus heavily on particular MPR posts by some CP admins, yet completely ignore the contributions of relatively newer users. Is there a particular reason for that? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:32, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
CP is broadcasting just fine to the great state of Texas. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 04:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Then why would I be denied access with a "403 - Forbidden" notice? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 04:02, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
@LT This article may have the answer. Alternate theory, since most of CP is semi-illiterate in tech, they might have fucked up a range-block. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 04:16, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Why would I even get range-blocked from seeing any CP articles? Besides, I thought IP-blocks are only to halt vandals and not prevent people from reading articles. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 04:20, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
If it's a range block, it's a doozy. My phone gets a 403 too and those "isitdown" sites are getting it too. Whoover (talk) 04:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I presume that RW contributors are from a wide range of geographical and IP locations, it is something serious. Possibly the 'know-it-all teenage tech support persons' are on their holidays or have found something better to do: or 'the sentient parts of the internet' have taken against CP. Anna Livia (talk) 10:32, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
CP could adopt We Choose Truth over Facts as our new logo. You are already there, certainly about the "Facts" part. The faith part is and has never been true. CP uses an illusion of faith to justify false accusations of treason, execution by stoning,the murder of school children and visual comparisons of liberals and/or atheists to rat infestations. At least once a fortnight a story is posted in which Bradlee Dean uses faith to justify killing someone who does not 100% comply to their extremist agenda.--Mercian (talk) 12:40, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Yep, and if adopted Joe Biden as our mascot, all the accusations of racism from CP critics when suddenly become valid. nobsBlack Guns Matter 16:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Please edit your statement to add some kind of meaning to it. As-is, it is arglebargle. Is the gist that if you suddenly supported Biden but maintained your total opposition to non-white immigration and refugees, kept treating all border arrivals as child smugglers, maintained your support for police escalation at all times against non-white people, continued to oppose any and all forms of mandated integration such as bussing or anti-redlining legislation, and insisted that each and every unarmed Black person shot in the back by police had it coming? The answer is you would all still be the same shameful, hateful piles of shit you are today - but you won't, because you're proud of your cruelty and what it's wrought on the helpless. Savvy? Semipenultimate (talk) 20:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Why is it that most of the editors on this site have a high affinity for swearing and gibberish? Is that supposed to reflect on the name of this site or to prove that "RationalWiki" is an oxymoron? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Rob just gets cranky sometimes. It's fine. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 20:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Just trying to follow the example set by the august current occupant, of whom you are so proud. Semipenultimate (talk) 21:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Looks like a mega-range block. I can get to CP via a proxy server but not my ISP or Verizon. Whoover (talk) 22:08, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Now I'm getting a 500 error. Ok then. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:24, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

User:Liberaltears from CP proven right![edit]

A few days ago on CP, I asked a question on Talk:Main Page there in regards to who could replace Sen. Kamala Harris in the Senate such that she's the VP pick (she now is) and Biden somehow gets elected. Now there's an article on The Hill conjecturing exactly that! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

Alternate theory, the obvious question was obvious. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 14:43, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Alright then, here's another example where I'm proven correct: A few months ago amidst the Nebraska primary elections, I noted Sen. Ben Sasse to be a RINO (I added "Category:RINOs" to the page), and guess what? After Sasse won his primary and resumed his display of willingness to obstruct Trump, the president himself recently called the senator a RINO on Twitter! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:49, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I mean, Trump called McCain and Cruz RINOs so... Better evidence? Also, obstruct what exactly? What exact law is he violating? How do you know that? What's your sources? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:33, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I said "willingness to obstruct". Sasse opposed Trump's executive orders after extensive gridlock in Congress, where little to nothing was accomplished. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
After reviewing his political positions... Um... Calling him a RINO seems... Um... how shall I put this? Stupid. Yeah, he backtalked the president, so what? First amendment. According to the Hill, he opposed an executive order and his reasoning for his position seems solid. Or at least internally consistent. Can you show me any laws he violated? Not articles on the drama, laws. If he wasn't legally allowed to do oppose that Executive Order, it'd shouldn't be too hard to demonstrate. If he was legally allowed to do so, um... tough shit? That doesn't really make him a RINO. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:00, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Alright, that's mostly a good point to add. Just to note though, Sasse opposed Trump on tariff policies, echoing globalist sentiments. And as I said on his "willingness to obstruct", I was largely referring to Sasse's eagerness to criticize Trump and oppose him on certain issues despite great outcomes that the latter's policies bring. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 16:17, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Can I have a better source on the Tarrif claim? I know you CPers like Fox, but as you know, we here at RW tend to be more critical of it. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:35, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
So Sasse represents Kansas pig farmers who export sweet and sour pork for Chinese buffets. BFD. Somebody has to. Would you rather a communist do it? nobsBlack Guns Matter 16:44, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
I'd rather you be quiet when the adults are talking.--Mercian (talk) 19:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Here's CNBC from 2018. And so what? Sasse was standing up and representing his local agricultural interests. Good on him. The term "RINO" is shit, it implies one must have blind, unwavering loyalty to a particular set of opinions in order to be a Republican. That's not politics, that's cultism. Soundwave106 (talk) 21:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
You have to be from Kansas to understand Kansas culture. The Civil War started over Kansas. Kansas's most famous political icon is the Democrat anti-Semite and Wall Street banker conspiracy theorist, 3 time Democrat presidential looser (a record), Williams Jennings Bryan (of the Scopes Monkey Trial fame). Those are big shoes to fill. The problem was covered in the book, What's the Matter with Kansas? (book)Wikipedia when a few sane people started voting Republican. nobsBlack Guns Matter 21:57, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Oh god. I actually know Thomas Frank from college when he ran The Baffler. you've literally got his thesis back to front. 2601:249:8D00:5242:3405:4E90:1F34:245B (talk) 03:02, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Rob. Are you going to sit there and tell me that a Pro-life, Pro-gun, anti-ACA, anti-climate science, anti-prison reform, Anti-China Senator from Kansas is a RINO because he backtalked Trump a few times? Are you honestly going to sit there and try to sell me such a blatant crock of crap? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:06, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
The only thing I know about Sasse is from the Gorsuch hearings. He appears to be a team player. Whatever positions he has to take to please a segment of racist/communist/Democrat voters entrenched in his state has little or no bearing in national politics (remember the Cornhusker Kickback in neighboring Nebraska? they got rid of the communist SOB). As a result of the Kansas-Nebraska Act of 1854 (the year the GOP was founded), Kansas is Democrat and Nebraska is Republican. A Democrat in Nebraska, like Ben Nelson, or a Republican in Kansas like Ben Sasse, always walks a tightrope. Nobody outside those two states pays close attention (except possibly the MSM if they think they can exaggerate some bullshit or other). nobsBlack Guns Matter 22:26, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Rob, grow some fucking balls. Are you seriously trying to sell me this crap, yes or no? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:29, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Eh, you don't need to attack RobSmith over this, since I brought up the topic anyways. Just to note, I never removed "Category:Conservatives" from the "Ben Sasse" page on CP since the senator does have a mostly conservative record on legislation, as the "Category:RINOs" applies to his strong opposition to many of Trump's executive actions. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Let me spell it out: Trump calling Sasse a RINO helps Sasse among Kansas Democrat voters which Sasse needs. nobsBlack Guns Matter 22:36, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Kansas? Sasse is from Nebraska. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:38, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Bullshit Rob. @LT In my opinion, and granted I am a leftist, calling someone a RINO should be reserved for someone whose political positions are well outside the official Republican party platform. Let me illustrate this a bit. If Bernie Sanders was registered as a Democrat, I'd have no problem with someone calling him a DINO, as the bulk of his policies fall outside those of said party. So, yes, I do find this to be a bit petty and ridiculous that you CPers hold such a position. Sasse is a loyal republican, and because he got angry at Trump for potentially hurting his state, which looks bad for him and his party, he gets called a RINO. I don't like the man, but that's just not right. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:45, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, LT you are correct. I don't know why I said he was from Kansas. Sorry. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 22:46, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Eh, you're fine. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:48, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────You're missing the point. Calling someone a RINO has nothing to do with national politics. The cases of Ben Sasse and Susan Collins are excellent examples. Both are popular back home. Both represent a bi-partisan coalition of voters in their respective states. in a six year term, they have to look for something to be able to criticize Trump with to generate headlines backhome. They never oppose the party on big issues, such as the budget, Supreme Court nominations, or other important legislation. When the national news media has to take what is exclusively a local issue, and try to make a story out of it as if it's a national story, is evidence it's pretty weak. So at a White House cocktail party Sasse says, "Mr. President, I'm going to criticize you on such and such and may even have to vote that way." Trump responds, "Good. I'll even call you RINO, if that helps". nobsBlack Guns Matter 22:54, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I don't think Sen. Collins is that popular in Maine anymore... LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 22:59, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Notice for example most Senate votes are 98-0. Why? Cause the leaders, McConnell and Schumer abstain, just so a Senator isn't accused of "voting with McConnell" or "voting with Schumer". Same thing happens in the House. Most House votes always have 5 abstentions, the Speaker, Majority and Minority Leaders and Whips abstaining. nobsBlack Guns Matter 23:01, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
A true RINO or DINO is somebody who gets their RNC, DNC, RCCC, DCCC, RSCC, or DSCC funding cut off and looses committee assignments. It's rare, but it does happen occassionally. nobsBlack Guns Matter 23:07, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
So if that's the case, then would Tim Huelskamp and Steve King be considered "RINOs" by definition? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:10, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
By the way RobSmith, with "RSCC" and "RCCC", were you trying to refer respectively to the NRSC and NRCC? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 23:12, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Yes, yes, and yes. Also Phil GrammWikipedia in the 80s when he was a Democrat.
Don't underestimate the importance of the party funding of campaigns. In my state for example, Sen. Pete Domenici served as U.S. Senator for six terms in a Blue State. How is that possible? Easy. He cut a deal with other Democrat bigwig Senators decades beforehand to vote certain ways on certain budget issues with them. They in turn agreed to never spend any DSCC or DNC money in his state to defeat him. Hence, every Democrat opponent was totally dependent upon the state party and local donors, whereas he always had the backing of the national p[arty, as well as D.C. lobbyists. This kind of deal making is common in D.C.. Call it what you like, "the establishment", "the swamp", the "uniparty", "the Deep State" (usually applied to Executive Branch agencies, by longtime legislators keep the funding to it and get their phone calls returned when they need a favor for their constituents). nobsBlack Guns Matter 23:37, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Sasse is from Nebraska? Same difference. Kansas and Nebraska are just a bunch of inbred white folks loyal to party name brand, except Kansas, which has more descendants of Black Freedmen who in recent years lost all their jobs to China. nobsBlack Guns Matter 23:14, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
Do you have any specific sources for the information on Sen. Domenici? LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:51, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
About the deal he cut? Off the top of my head, no. But this is a very common practice. It's a little easier to spot. He was on the Senate Budget Committee with Bob Byrd the Grand Wizard and the fellow from Montana (I forget his name). It didn't matter what party controlled the Senate, these same guys wrote the Senate version of a budget bill every year that then had to be negotiated with the House and White House (IOWs, little or no cross-isle negotiation in the Senate itself). They brought home the bacon for their states (all three small, poor, states dependent on federal funding), and could trade or award federal funding for federal projects with Senators of other states.
What I said about his local challengers can be verified from FEC records.
Lemme give you an example of pork funding: the Albuquerque bus system is 80% subsidized by the federal government; Albuquerque is the home of Sandia Laboratories, one of 4 national laboratories. A commuter bus route runs from the suburbs to the door of the National Laboratory every morning at 4 AM. This is "national security". Never mind nobody rides the bus and they all drive their own cars. But this special subsidy probably goes back to WWII and the early Cold War. That's only one example. Truth be told, without federal money coming in the state, per capita income would be about the same as Juarez and Chihuahua, Mexico, about 1/3. Even with all this federal money - not possible without Dominici on the Budget Committee - our per capita is still only 3/4 of the national average.
In the House it's a bit different. It's more difficult to form cross-the-isle coalitions. The Rules are different and the Senate is a seniority system - Senators get to choose their committee assignments based on seniority. In the House committee assignments are assigned by kissing Leadership ass. Breaking ranks is no no-no. Senators have much more leeway. nobsBlack Guns Matter 03:47, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
In the House, AOC would be an example of a DINO when she came in; she has since learned much and straightened up. AOC's organization, Justice Democrats (and AOC herself) spent money to knock off incumbent party regulars. I'm not up to date on the immediate story, but she was told in no uncertain terms they she would receive no help from the DNC or DCCC if she continued funding primary challenges to against incumbent Democrats, for which she was actively soliciting fundraising for, together with a published targeted "hit list" of Democrats after she was "inaugurated". She stuck with Bernie against Biden and the establishment to the end. She mounted a challenge against Pelosi in January 2017. The New York party threatened to re-district her out of seat after the 2020 census. She now has come to an accommodation with the DNC and DCCC - she's ascended in power within the establishment, and has abandoned publicly soliciting money to challenge the DNC and DCCC. She'll fall in line like Kamala, forget Biden's racism and start singing his praises. By contrast, Rashida Tlaib has yet to endorse Biden. Unless Tlaib wants money for the Fall, she needs to shape up real quick. Otherwise she's on her own. nobsBlack Guns Matter 04:22, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
It seems that AOC is certainly shilling for her party establishment just enough to narrowly try avoiding a redistricting battle; she decided to endorse the far-left Sen. Markey over the latter's primary challenger Joe Kennedy III, who's even more far-left. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 04:32, 13 August 2020 (UTC)
Markey introduced her Green New Deal in the Senate. AOC is doing what Bernie could never do since 1981 - changing the DNC from the inside. nobsBlack Guns Matter 04:37, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

CP is still down[edit]

Conservapedia still seems to be down; every time I try to access any pages on the site, this pop-up appears:
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LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Seems to be working at the moment. Anna Livia (talk) 15:11, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
How is it working for you? It still doesn't for me. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Doesn't CP's web host have a feature that lets IP ranges not even access the site? Could be that your town is on Schlafly's blocklist.-- 79.79.118.135 (talk) 15:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Why would my IP be blocked from accessing the site? The "403 - Forbidden" error never popped up prior to a few days ago. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:25, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
All the range blocks were introduced by TK and have long since been removed. It's not an IP block thing, it's just that noone there has the faintest idea what they are doing and they all suck at IT. And assfly doesn't care about his toy any more, he just lets the children shit all over it while he gets on with more important things [the user formerly know as oldusgitus who has forgotten his loggin details.] — Unsigned, by: 90.251.93.194 / talk
The thing is that I don't believe I've ever been range-blocked like this before, so I don't get why I would see such a notice all of a sudden when trying to access the site. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 15:32, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
@LT As the previous post pointed out, your address could be collateral due to limited tech skills. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:48, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
LT - I am UK which might affect things - and there were times when I could look at one page on CP and then it would get broken if I moved.
I suppose it depends upon how much pressure can be applied to the teenage-computer-know-it-alls (we all know them) to actually do something appropriate. Or 'the sentient entities living within the tubes' are playing games. Anna Livia (talk) 16:56, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
I'm currently getting 504s (Gateway Timeout) after a long load, from both my US based machine and a web server located in the Netherlands. That's definitely a "something's messed up on their end" issue, not an IP block. Soundwave106 (talk) 17:14, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
Do you guys suppose you can take a screenshot of what pops up when trying to access CP, crop it down to only the necessary details, upload it to RW and post it here? Thanks! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 18:09, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Very interesting discovery[edit]

Despite CP being down, I took a hint on a Quora forum somewhere regarding web proxies and used https://www.proxysite.com/ to successfully access Conservapedia; the only problem was that I couldn't edit. For some absurd reason, it seems that many of the other CP editors can access the site normally, but I apparently can't. What in the world is going on? I seriously have almost nothing better to do in my life currently aside from CP editing! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 00:51, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

You seem like a nice enough, although earnest, kid, so I'll warn you that editing CP with a proxy has been grounds for getting banned and defamed by people like Karajou for being the sockpuppet of someone else who used the proxy and also got banned for being the sockpuppet of someone else who used the proxy who was also banned for being the sockpuppet of someone else who used the proxy. CP sysops routinely checkuser even established editors. Be careful. Also, editing this site has also been grounds for a ban on CP. Nutty Roux (talk) 01:43, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for the advice, and the good news is that I've just found a proxy that allows for editing on CP. I'm aware of the CP rule against editing via proxy, and specified that in my comment there; regarding whether editing on this site might get me banned on CP, since nobs currently isn't banned there despite coming here, I wouldn't worry as much about it as compared to the editing-through-proxy concern. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:56, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
I am completely baffled that you would go to all this effort to edit a website full of lies and slander that obviously doesn't give a shit about you, whose controllers would ban and dox you at a moment's notice without giving it a second thought. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 02:16, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
What are you talking about? Firstly, CP is based on facts and is actually completely rational (and also doesn't allow for profanity). Secondly, most of the editors on the site are great, even if I may sometimes hold certain irritations towards Shobson20, RobSmith and VargasMilan over etcetera. Thirdly, I don't think they'll "ban and dox" me, since I've made over 3,000 edits to the CP mainspace, particularly on updating stubs and creating and/or expanding some pages on U.S. politicians. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 02:34, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
"CP is based on facts and is actually completely rational" Oh son, we'll have to take you through a tour of the Best of the Public, or hoe autumn leaves prove God, or how only teenagers make significant discoveries (unless they're dinosaur fossils), or literally any of whatever the hell Ken spews out. Or how the fact that eating a pound of cake doesn't increase your energy by the speed of light squared. CP is a close to the trust, or rationality, as trump is faithful to his wives. Seriously though - we don't need to edit there. Just read Ken's stuff, or see what Ed Poor did to the maths articles and you guys wrecked any credibility you might have had years ago. America is supposedly more conservative than ever - so why are still shunned by the entire conservative community? Hell, even Alex Jones doesn't use you as a source. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 04:57, 19 August 2020 (UTC)
Why do you guys even refer to Conservative as "Ken"? I don't quite understand that... LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 05:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────1) LT: That's because it's his real name: Conservapedia:Conservative. He seemed to acknowledge this fact the last time he was here (User talk:GiuocoPiano). 2) RoundeTheeHorne: It's probably not worth arguing with LT about CP factuality: he's a CP emigré. Bongolian (talk) 07:05, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

You are allowed to post articles that encourage or support murder, execution by stoning, support of tyrants, locking overweight people in concentration camps and many other perverted viewpoints but you cannot say "Shit". It's nice to see they have their priorities right.--Mercian (talk) 12:03, 15 August 2020 (UTC)
You're missing the point, Cosmik. We don't edit Conservapedia out of any earnest desire to contribute. We edit Conservapedia for the shits and giggles. Like Chesterton's "The Man Who Was Thursday" on laughing gas. LondonGrump (talk) 21:18, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Bizarre CP issues[edit]

Something bizarre is going on, or at least just happened at CP. I was editing the page on Jon Ossoff I had created about an hour ago, and all of a sudden a "404" error pops up. When the server loads, it shows a previous version of the site as evident on the "Special:RecentChanges" page. And now, it seems that either the cycle repeats between the two instances and/or generic error notices that keep popping up (just for specification, I'm using this site to access CP as a means to bypass "403 - Forbidden" pop-ups). LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 01:40, 17 August 2020 (UTC)

Never mind, CP seems to work now. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 02:00, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Never mind, as the problems still occur. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:48, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
It works for me, if bypassing HTTPS because of a bad SSL cert is called working. Whoover (talk) 02:03, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Can you kind of translate that from jargon into layman's terms? I'm not familiar with what a bad SSL cert is. Thanks! LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 02:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
@LT, is anyone at CP updating the database? Also, what is your hosting setup like? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:13, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
I dunno about that. I'm not 100% sure who would have access to the database (probably Andy?) and what the hosting setup would be like at all. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 02:18, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Has Andy been messing around with rangeblocks again, as far as you know? Previous RW users recorded Andy messing around with some technical version of a rangeblock on December 2010 and blocking all IPs not originating in the US. I don't know if something similar is causing problems though, and that wouldn't explain the 500 error I got awhile back. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:46, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
All I know for now regarding accessing the site is that if I don't use a proxy, this pops up. The problem at the moment now is that when the site loads, a cached version shows up where my edits made today and last night apparently don't exist anymore. This problem did happen quite a few months ago one time where a page creation of mine disappeared and I had to do it over again. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:45, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
Also, right in between my most recent edit and the edits before that, the site loaded in the cached version at least once before loading normally. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 03:47, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
It seems to be fixed, but it was clearly an Apache config problem, and there was no indication the content database was involved. LT, when I got in yesterday, it was by overriding a browser warning caused by the Apache web server not having a valid set of Secure Socket Layer certifications in its configuration. These are files that Conservapedia buys from an authority after proving that they are the owners of the site. That's required for https, the secure web protocol. https access to a site, as opposed to http, assures you are talking to whom you think you are, and can be a pain to set up properly. Yesterday, for a while at least, the SSL certs were current (not expired) but not properly configured. That's why I got the browser warning. All the 500, 403, etc. errors point to somebody messing with the Apache configuration and not getting it right. Whoover (talk) 21:44, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
First it was an attack on CP, then yesterday they arrested Millie Weaver; it's the DNC/Deep State together with their CCP cronies trying to ahead of all the news coming out about Kommiela and Kevin ClinesmithWikipedia. nobsBlack Guns Matter 22:06, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
We should do a poll: Which do you prefer, Kommiela, Que mala (as the California Latinos call her), HealsUp Harris, (as the more sophisticated California literati call her), Kamaltoe Hairyass (as vulgar bloggers call her), or Joe and the Hoe (as her brethren and cistern people of color refer to her). nobsBlack Guns Matter 22:15, 17 August 2020 (UTC)
I think you mean "HeelsUp." Or is a misspelling an intentional homage to the Dear Leader? Whoover (talk) 00:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Well you know, we're competing hard this year for the Democrats' low information voter base. nobsBlack Guns Matter 02:31, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Biden might be another centre-right hack but he's done a superb job of triggering the snowflakes and their fear of strong women. LondonGrump (talk) 08:56, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Although less likely than an Chinese cyber attack could it be that Andy is not paying his bills?--Mercian (talk) 12:11, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Just got this:

A database query error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software

Query: SELECT page_id,page_namespace,page_title,page_restrictions,page_counter,page_is_redirect,page_is_new,page_random,page_touched,page_links_updated,page_latest,page_len,page_content_model FROM `page` WHERE page_namespace = '0' AND page_title = 'Main_Page' LIMIT 1 Function: WikiPage::pageData Error: 1146 Table 'cptransi_wiki.page' doesn't exist (localhost) Backtrace:

  1. 0 /home/conserv8/public_html/includes/db/Database.php(1182): DatabaseBase->reportQueryError('Table 'cptransi...', 1146, 'SELECT page_id...', 'WikiPage::pageD...', false)
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  17. 16 {main}

Whoover (talk) 13:58, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

This type of error is occurring for me as well. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:11, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Same. I'm guessing Andy tried to do a mediawiki update and has borked the database/server. It's "The Week That Never Was" all over again. Update: Googling the error message, would seem to indicate Andy has fucked up the database, during an install. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 17:32, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Haven't you heard? It's the Chinese, testing their Wuhan cyber-virus on our most important political infrastructure. Whoover (talk) 18:41, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Initial reports are Obama/Brennan/Susan Rice ordered a drone strike on the server facility; Robert Mueller is investigating. nobsBlack Guns Matter 19:57, 18 August 2020 (UTC)
Never assign to drone strikes what can be explained by Andy being an incompetent numpty. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 20:11, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Lock me out again, please[edit]

I made the mistake of reviewing CP: Kamala Harris and love what RobS done with the encyclopedic place. Off to a great start with "Kamala Harris ( pron. commie-la, Spanish Que mala) ..." Much easier than IPA, even if only RobS pronounces her name those ways. I also enjoyed the long exposition about Jim Jones. I can't find Harris in the pix, which is a shame since there are so few images of her at age 12, when she was embroiled in this scandal. "This could be about anything." Whoover (talk) 22:17, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

I found the article illuminating. It shows me that she scares the holy shit out of Rob and his fellow travellers. The language they use (stuff I would have been uncomfortable with even during rock-and-roll-and-drugs-and-booze-and-lots-and-lots-of-women-and-drugs phase) suggests that she challenges them not just politically but emotionally and sexually. It's like they've never had a mutually respectful relationship with a woman, ever.
I also learned that Willie Brown is a fucking legend.
I'm going to enjoy the next few months and, insh'Allah, the four years after that. LondonGrump (talk) 22:52, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Funny how Rob keeps quiet on the fact that nearly everyone in Trumps inner circle has been arrested for various charges - most recently Bannon for fraud. Trump is easily running the most crooked administration of all time - certainly in the modern era. But no, Rob is worried Harris isn't eligible to be VP. AceModerator 22:59, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Correction. Rob is worried she is eligible to be VP. Whoover (talk) 23:09, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
Actually, the DNC destroyed the updated version in the cyber attack, so I have to recreate it from memory. That version is basically the version written when she announced Marc Elias, bagman for the Russia collusion hoax, was her general counsel. nobsBlack Guns Matter 23:13, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
So Rob, you actually don't care that your president lies as easily as he breathes? AceModerator 23:57, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
The lies are just smoke and mirrors so that he can root out deep state pedo-cannibals in peace--Hastur! (talk) 00:09, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Basically, it's impossible for Rob to employ any kind of good-faith perspective when discussing his political opposition. If he could get out of the blood libel hole he's currently in, ideology-wise, maybe, but that's never going to happen without a deep personal reckoning about his underlying presumptions. Semipenultimate (talk) 19:48, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Should Trump lose, the conservative movement is likely going to have some sort of reckoning. Establishment Republicans are already lining up against Trump's demagoguery. They'd rather pursue their agenda of psychotic deregulation, jingoism, and pursuit of anarcho-capitalism with some discretion, dammit. And then people like Rob are either going to have to adapt or be left behind--Hastur! (talk) 21:32, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
In Andy/Rob-level crazy circles, Trump will be unpersoned as a RINO shortly after he loses & starts facing serious legal jeopardy for a lifetime of shady business dealings. They've done it plenty of times before to "conservatives" they used to love fapping over. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 21:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Semi and Hastur have nailed the Trumpist phenomenon. Like European Stalinists in the late 50s and 1960s, they are so deeply personally and emotionally invested in their hero and his cult of personality that they cannot think rationally without a seismic change of identity. LondonGrump (talk) 23:38, 21 August 2020 (UTC)
Of course, if Trump wins, the country will stay on fire for far longer than the 4 extra years he'll be fucking everything up--Hastur! (talk) 23:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's amazing that out of a nation of over 325 million people, the Democrats couldn't come up with someone better than Joe Biden to run for president. The typical restaurant manager or elementary school principal would be more fit for office than Joe Biden. At least a restaurant manager or high school principal wouldn't be a hair sniffer nor would his/her son be a traitor to the United States.

Joe Biden is such a lackluster presidential candidate that he is not even going to get a dead cat bounce after the DNC convention.

The Democrats chose name recognition over decency and competence. By playing not to lose instead of playing to win, they could snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.Rintintin (talk) 03:45, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for your political screed. Now please, fuck off. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 03:59, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Given we are having a discussion about user retention on another page this sort of fuck off mate is exactly the problem. AceModerator 23:19, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
The Democrats want a safe pair of hands to ensure the establishment is on board, like Tony Blair in Britain. Kamala Harris appears to be the game changer.LondonGrump (talk) 13:30, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
The Democratic establishment is on board with Joe Biden, but Biden is plagued with sexual scandals (inappropriately touching women and children). In a Me Too Movement age, he is not a safe candidate in terms of being elected.
Tony Blair is still a sharp individual and can manage/administer things. Biden has cognitive decline issues. When societies are open to people working as long as they want that is a good thing, but the individuals have to be able to handle the job.Rintintin (talk) 13:50, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Trump was sharp back in 2016. He pounced on all Hilary's weaknesses and really put her to the sword (A proverbial sword, not the sort his supporters want him to use on her). These days he goes on and on about left wing fascists. It's like his new top advisor is Rob's CP posts.--Mercian (talk) 14:41, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Tony Blair is still a cunt who would sell your grandmother for five minutes on TV and tell you he was doing you a favour. I'd trust him about as much as I'd trust Trump, sharp or not. The post-1989 myth that politics is about competence is dangerously simplistic.LondonGrump (talk) 16:15, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Politicians have to appear to be competent to be elected. Biden's cognitive decline has caused him to go beneath the threshold of where he appears to be competent.Rintintin (talk) 18:33, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Cool story, Muttley. Haven't you got some important legs you should be humping? Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 18:59, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
I don't think Trump was ever sharp, not in 2016. He's like a dull, bent knife that started to get more bent and melted over the years. He's always been gibbering about nonsense, just probably got worse over time. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 19:07, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Whatever flaws Biden might have, he seems sharp enough at the moment. By this I mean he's listening to advisors who are more knowledgeable on subjects such as pandemic responses, in sharp contrast to his opponent. His grandfatherly/quirky uncle image is also in sharp contrast to Trump, with whom the American public appears to have grown weary. Whether Biden is the best candidate for the job or not, current polling says he'll likely win the election all the same. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 19:37, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

Pictures, videos, and testimonial evidence relating to Joe Biden and children/women make it clear that he is not type of "grandfatherly" man you want around kids/women.

Donald Trump is not a genius, but few dullards become billionaires and/or win the U.S. presidency against seasoned politicians.Rintintin (talk) 21:13, 22 August 2020 (UTC)

To the first, yeah no shit. But the public doesn't appear to care, or thinks it's acceptable to throw those issues under the bus to defeat what is in their view, the greater evil. To the second, Trump is not a smart man. All current evidence indicates that he's a moron who's going through the motions of being intelligent, a stupid man's impression of a leader. And more to the point, it really doesn't matter whether either of them is intelligent, merely who most people are willing to vote for. And short of some form of electoral interference, well... The data is very clear on this matter. You don't have to like it, but that's the cold hard truth. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:28, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
The data that most matters is: 1) Enthusiasm for the candidate which affects turnout (Internal battles within a political party suppress turnout and there is infighting amongst Democrats. Biden's performance during the primaries was weak). 2) Reliable likely voter data - particularly in battleground states (These polls are very more predictive, but more costly to compile) 3) Fivethirtyeight.com and their polling data got 2016 wrong. Your data is not compelling 4) Rasmussen correctly called 2016 election using its likely voter data. Present Rasmussen likely voter data: "The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll sponsored by Liberty Nation for Friday shows that 51% of Likely U.S. Voters approve of President Trump’s job performance. Forty-seven percent (47%) disapprove."[18] 5) Trump is an incumbent and incumbants usually win . 6) Peaceful protests favor Democrats. Rioting and looting favors law and order Republicans. 7) There are calls for Joe Biden to skip the presidential debates. Democrats are shaking in their boots. Let's get ready to rumble!
A lot can happen in 60+ days in a coronavirus pandemic political environment. It's going to be hard fought, bitter election and we might not know the results of the election soon after the election.Rintintin (talk) 22:05, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
Is it me, or is there a conservapedian tone to all these assertions? Unmask! LondonGrump (talk) 15:47, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
Considering official counts aren't required until December 14[19] and states can start counting before November 3rd, it seems likely the most we would have to wait for a clear picture is two weeks, a reasonable amount of time.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 23:32, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
Presidential Transition Enhancement Act of 2019 changed Title 3—Chapter 1—Section 1 to read: “The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November, in every fourth year succeeding every election of a President and Vice President”. In the 2020 Presidential election, each State must appoint their electors by the following Tuesday on 10 November, 2020. But you're right. There will be no election night winner. Recounts and lawsuits in a dozen states will make the Florida Recount look like a church picnic. nobsBlack Guns Matter 19:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
"The electors of President and Vice President shall be appointed, in each State, on the Tuesday next after the first Monday in November..."Appointed, not voting, but keep that same energy.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 22:40, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
The way it works (with the exception of two states I believe) is, each party nominates a slate of electors. This means the Secretary of State or whoever certifies electors must have them certified within 7 days. No recount can run beyond the 7 days. nobsBlack Guns Matter 01:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)

I am wondering when we will get the much anticipated Biden's religion and Harris' religion articles? Hint: they are both Muslims, unless you view Antifa as a religion. Hclodge (talk) 19:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

More RoBS[edit]

"Commie" is the tell in "Republican Convention gets 600% more viewers the Democrat Commiefest 2020" as to authorship. Funny, most non-Trusworthy reports show 16 million viewers for RNC night one vs. 18.7 million for DNC night one. So where did the 600% come from? Turns out that's C-Span's viewership. I have no idea why more people watched the RNC on C-Span than the DNC (maybe they couldn't take the spinning on Fox?), but ignoring the 18.6 of the 18.7 million viewers who didn't watch the DNC on C-Span is typical bullshit. Whoover (talk) 20:47, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

C-Span is a more informed voter, so of course you wouldn't know that. nobsBlack Guns Matter 21:01, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
Rob is a paranoid liar. And he doesn't seem to guy what a hopeless, sycophantic hypocrite he is. AceModerator 21:45, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
RobSmith is mostly okay. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 21:54, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
False.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 22:40, 25 August 2020 (UTC)
If LiberalTears says Rob is OK, he is OK. You can trust a Conservapedian.
While I'm here, maybe LT and Rob can tell whoever posted that bullshit about India that Narenda Modi is right wing. Breitbart didn't say the Indian govt was Communist but there's so much ignorance among the Conservapedia editors that it could be any of them.LondonGrump (talk) 20:59, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, those authoritarian nationalists are all leftist. Like the Nazis. Whoover (talk) 21:48, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
btw, it was Andy. But you probably knew that. Whoover (talk) 21:50, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
@LondonGrump Most Conservapedians are trustworthy, though some are trusworthy. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 21:54, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
Which Conservapedians' are trustworthy?--Mercian (talk) 14:19, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
@Mercian D.C., I.S., N.X., DavidB4, and Karajou are very trustworthy. Also, RobSmith nobs is mostly trustworthy. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 14:24, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
And which should be wearing a truss? LondonGrump (talk) 15:15, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
References to "trusworthy" by user who signed up on CP a little more than a year ago basically tells you all you need to know. LT's parodist mask is slipping. I'm constantly amazed, but not surprised, at how uncritical CP higher ups are of some of these people. After all, I was there to see Bugler go full TK before TK had even fully honed his craft. VargasMilan comes to mind as another transparently obvious parodist who's only there to whip up crazy nonsense and bully people over even minor ideological differences with the party line. Fantastic! 2601:249:8D00:5242:8011:C898:440B:79C5 (talk) 15:23, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
If I didn't have a problem with censorship, I'd delete your post. Conservapedia is riddled with parodists and sock puppets - this ain't the place to out people. LondonGrump (talk) 20:39, 27 August 2020 (UTC)
Karajou>. Well you know where you stand with him, blink out of term and you're gone. I can see how this can be taken to be trustworthy but hard-arses need something more than that to be respected or trusted.--Mercian (talk) 20:57, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

So, who's the dickhead who thinks Australia has a left wing government? Andy again? LondonGrump (talk) 18:42, 3 September 2020 (UTC)

Australia aren't giving everybody a mandatory machine gun at birth. Of course they're a bunch of pinko lefties, in Andy's mind. RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 08:50, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Rob's posts have devolved to be misleading, incorrect and dangerous.[edit]

[20] According to him COVID 19 has only killed 10,000 in America. His source, the respected Gateway Pundit. Spreading this crap will mean more deaths. Who said Rob was a good guy?--Mercian (talk) 16:32, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

200000 excess deaths this year, Rob.[21] Unless Hilary Clinton did them in?--Hastur! (talk) 16:47, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
He needs COVID-19 to be a deadly bioengineered virus deliberately released by / covered up by da ebil comminists, while also needing it to be an incredibly weak virus blown way out of proportion by da ebil libruls. Like Trump, what the truth is depends on what he needs to say at the moment. Semipenultimate (talk) 17:17, 1 September 2020 (UTC)
It sounds familiar, the enemy is evil and will destroy us all, but at the same time is weak and we can destroy it easily. Bevo74 (talk) 12:12, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
This argument centers around death certificates that "only" had Covid-19 as the cause of death, which is insane. As a twitter user I saw put it the other day, if you have low blood sugar, then are mauled by a bear, then in the hospital, they are unable to manage your low blood sugar and perish, your cause of death is still the bear.-RipCityLiberal (talk) 19:56, 3 September 2020 (UTC)
"Lose weight to beat COVID-19 and protect the NHS." - UK government slogan as reported by The Lancet.[22]
COVID-19 is a fattycaust!
"Doctors is all swabs...". - Long John Silver (Robert Louis Stevenson: Treasure Island).Rintintin (talk) 10:36, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Conservapedia in a post-Trump world[edit]

We all saw McCain and Romney get built up as the Greatest Republicans Ever by Andy, during their election campaigns, and then just as swiftly get demoted to RINOs after they left. Do you think Andy will do the same with Trump after Nov, as he goes in search of the new Great White Hope - I'm guessing Tom Cotton - or have they swallowed too much of the Koolaid? TerryH and Kara are too cowardly to stand up to him, anyway, but will Andy be able to drop Trump like the hot turd he is? RoundeTheeHorne (talk) 13:42, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

If Donald Trump loses in 2020, he will run in 2024. In such a scenario, he would start fundraising in 2021.
The 2020 loss would be blamed on the "China virus" and/or voter fraud.
While Joe Biden is not as far to the left as François Hollande, he has been pushed sufficiently to the left so that Trump will run against the "socialist Joe Biden".
Trump will be the Grover Cleveland of the 21st century and serve two nonconsecutive terms.
Anyone who thinks Donald Trump would not run in 2024 is underestimating the size of Trump's ego.Terrafirma (talk) 17:11, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Don't be daft, man. Trump will do well to avoid jail time once he no longer has the executive powers to stall investigations into his financial shenanigans. I'm particularly looking forward to watching his lawyers suddenly argue how elderly and infirm their client is in the sentencing hearings.
@RoundeTheeHorne All my money's on Trump receiving a RINOing from Andy the likes of which have never been seen. It won't cause him a moment's intellectual distress, either - he's every bit as shameless as Trump in his ability to turn on a dime like that. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 17:34, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Andy's been mentally preparing himself for such an eventuality by blaming shit on "inept advisors." He'll just claim the swamp stopped Trump from succeeding on his mission, which is fine because the end times are nigh anyways and Jesus will come down and sort the conservatives from the liberals--Hastur! (talk) 18:50, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Andy's mother wrote a book giving the conservative case for Trump. St. Phyliss annointed Trump and Andy will not lift his hand against the chosen one.
Should Trump lose the 2020 election, Trump will easily win the 2024 GOP presidential primary if he ran. And Andy would support him.
But all of this is premature. Biden has to get over the 3 presidential debate hurdles and have sufficient voter turnout to win. He is not a shoe-in candidate by any means.Terrafirma (talk) 19:23, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Trump would be too old to run for President in 2024. In the meantime, governors and members of Congress will step up to defend keys elements of the Trump agenda: (1) regulatory reform, (2) key holdings of the NLRB regarding union organizing, (3) Title IX reform at the Dept of Education, (4) food stamp reform at USDA, (5) prohibition of critical race theory training of the federal work force, among other things. No matter how you predict the outcome, many governors and legislators will take a front seat before 2024. Then there is Mike Pence, who has evangelical Christian support. (Jerry Falwell Jr., is no longer available to deliver that block to support Trump.) I think that Don Jr., Jared and Ivanka have too many open legal questions to run with a clean record in 2024. There will be a generational shift by 2024, and Andy will be sent out to tech pasture. Assuming that there is a large group of tech-savy Conservatives, they will find a platform lead by a younger and more charismatic leader than Andy by 2024. In fairness, the same is true about Jimbo Wales dropping out of the leadership of Wikipedia by 2024. Hclodge (talk) 19:55, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

100% Andy will blame vote fraud. AceModerator 21:14, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Andy's definitely lost that lovin' feeling for the Donald. Ken's initial version of COTY 2020 had Trump straight in at no.1, but Andy's first edit demoted him to 3rd, and subsequent edits have him now languishing in 7th place, behind such conservative titans as, um, Reps. Tom Massie and Andy Biggs. This is consistent with COTY '19, where Trump didn't even make runner-up after winning two years on the bounce.
That kind of trajectory has got thrown-under-the-RINO-bus written all over it, especially since Trump and Trump Org. are almost certainly facing criminal charges from SDNY prosecutors. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 22:17, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
But look at the white men who select Conservative of the year. What is the average age of the selectors? More importantly, what is the average IQ of the selectors? Hclodge (talk) 23:14, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
Man, singular. The peons can nominate, but ultimately COTY is whoever Andy says it is. 59 years old, IQ unknown & batshit insane. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 23:41, 6 September 2020 (UTC)
I have to disagree with all your analysis of a post-Trump era should Trump loose. Personalities will not be the major factor. And you also have to look at the current implosion of the Democratic party as well.
There would be an immediate effort by the GOP establishment, led by Bill Kristol, to re-assert control of the GOP. And since the GOP establishment is better organized and entrenched, the Trump faction without a leader, despite being large in number and popular support, is at a disadvantage.
Then you have to consider the current defection of Blacks, liberals, moderates, and Hispanics from the Democratic party. Trump could take as much as 25% of the Black vote, and has certainly built a permanent base of conservative, middle class Black voters, under 40 years old who are not likely to return to the Democratic party anytime soon. This group likely can only expand. The Black monolith is exploding, and younger Blacks in the foreseeable future will vote like every other demographic group. This sends the Democrats back to the drawing board for a long-term strategy, whether they win or loose.
A charismatic leader is not likely to appear in either party over the next few years. But for a younger heir of Trump, Rand Paul or a Rand Paul like character most resembles Trump's ideas. nobsBlack Guns Matter 00:59, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Rob Smith, voice of black America, thanks you for coming to his TED talk. Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 01:22, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Joe Biden will not run again in 2024 - even if he wins in 2020.
The Democrats have a weak bench. No Democrat was able to grab the presidential nomination away from creepy Joe Biden in 2020.
If he loses in 2020, the Trumpinator will run in 2024 and beat the weak backbencher the Democrats run in 2024.
Andy Schlafly will back the GOP presidential candidate in 2024 which would be Donald Trump if he loses in 2020.
"I'll be back". - Donald "Trumpinator" Trump in 2021 if he loses the 2020 election.Terrafirma (talk) 01:54, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
Trump will have no power in the RNC machine if he leads the party to defeat, and once the RNC establishment regains control, they will write the rules to make it impossible in 2024. He'll be 78 years old and playing golf with Baby Bush, Obama, and Clinton by then.
The RNC establishment will take a softer line with China - that is and has always been the big difference between Trump and the whole D.C. Uniparty establishment, although anti-CCP awakening in both parties is Trump's legacy and wil be hard to put back in the bottle. nobsBlack Guns Matter 02:10, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Me, I'm still laughing at "While Joe Biden is not as far to the left as François Hollande, he has been pushed sufficiently to the left so that Trump will run against the "socialist Joe Biden"." You and Rob and the rest of the political illiterates at Conservapedia would think Eisenhower a Marxist. LondonGrump (talk) 22:07, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

Eisenhower had to pay for WWII after the war. He didn't raise taxes to pay for "IkePhones" (reference to Obamaphones). Or for promiscuous welfare queens to be able to afford cable television.
Eisenhower warned about the military industrial complex. Obama got the USA involved in toppling the leader of Libya and its very bad aftermath. BBC: President Obama: Libya aftermath 'worst mistake' of presidency.Terrafirma (talk) 03:58, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
Obama's gone now, dear. You don't need to be afraid of the scary black man any more. LondonGrump (talk) 11:36, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
@LondonGrump Last I checked, Eisenhower was a moderate conservative who opposed high taxes and illegal immigration. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:19, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
That was my point, Libby. He'd be more comfortable in the Democrats than the Republicans today and your compadres would be screaming "MArxist!".
Did I just have to explain my ironic post? LondonGrump (talk) 06:14, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Djokovic Out[edit]

Greatest of the Great Conservative Sports Stars has been defaulted out of the US Open for swatting a ball in anger that struck a line judge. I wonder what Andy will make of that? Whoover (talk) 23:35, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

PC liberal tennis judges are ruining tennis--Hastur! (talk) 23:38, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

Another Conservapedia classic[edit]

"The vaccine police typically engage in fear-mongering about diseases which vaccines supposedly protect against. Many of these disease have not been seen in decades, or have not been serious illnesses for a half-century."[23] Measles, anyone?--Hastur! (talk) 23:43, 6 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm to go out on a limb here and suggest some of the diseases which have not been seen in decades might be the result of, oh I don't know, vaccines? AceModerator 00:25, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
All true conservatives practice healthy living and have robust immune systems. Therefore, vaccines are superfluous to true conservatives. And should any true Christian, conservative succumb to a virus and die, they would go straight to heaven anyways.
"Vaccines? We don't need no stinkin' vaccines!" - Andy "Gold hat" Schlafly.Terrafirma (talk) 02:23, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
It's the genes all those lovely long haired creationist ladies bring to the boudoir.LondonGrump (talk) 22:08, 7 September 2020 (UTC)
The response is the first image on the WP page on smallpox. Anna Livia (talk) 09:15, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

Far right Breivik apologist nominates Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize.[edit]

[24] Another example of Conservapedia's stealth support of terrorism and mass murder of young people if they happen to disagree with their views. Both Rob and Donald think this is a good thing.--Mercian (talk) 15:31, 9 September 2020 (UTC)

@Mercian See here. LTMay Dataclarifier be well! 20:15, 9 September 2020 (UTC)
That would be a great point if we had been discussing Obama. LondonGrump (talk) 06:15, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

There are other important honors at play: National Garden of American Heroes Nominee Hclodge (talk) 17:50, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

RobS being truthy again.[edit]

Ilhan Omar: "You can’t vote Democrat if you support police." Follow the link and not only doesn't she say anything like that, but it seems clear it's the blogger's opinion. Oh well, Trusworthy encyclopedias prefer to put words in their villains' mouths rather than wait for them to say bad stuff. It is the more effective propaganda technique. Whoover (talk) 02:19, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I think Rob is doing a great job. He saves me having to listen, learn and think for myself. I can spend the time save I shopping online with the money George Soros sent me. LondonGrump (talk) 17:58, 14 September 2020 (UTC)
Ilhan Omar was probably one of those fine people on both sides Joe Biden quotes Trump as saying. The art of good propaganda teaches people how to think, not just what to think. nobsBlack Guns Matter 19:50, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Shit propaganda reminds people what a bunch of wankers you are. LondonGrump (talk) 06:47, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

"China virus" isn't racist. Objecting to it is. Whoover (talk) 19:55, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

It has been awhile since I checked.[edit]

I haven't looked for awhile now but has Ken finally destroyed Atheism and Evolution in the internet? AceModerator 04:22, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

Yes. Oxyaena Harass 04:58, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Oh, that's a pity. I suppose that makes me a Christian then. AceModerator 05:42, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
I'm afraid, @Ace McWicked, that Ken has killed you, me and a few other specially selected RationalWiki editors and had our heads stuffed and mounted on a wall. And called us fat. The cheeky cunt. Spud (talk) 05:51, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
But I am 6 4 and skinny. How come I am listed as an obese atheist? AceModerator 06:04, 17 September 2020 (UTC)
Maybe you got rickets or something from your liberal lifestyle. nobsBlack Guns Matter 19:52, 17 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm not an expert, but those heads on the wall don't look like goats to me. 77.101.82.205 (talk) 07:12, 19 September 2020 (UTC)

PeterKa forgetting who was in charge during the AIDS crisis[edit]

A continued (and comical) lack of self-awareness from the conservatives of the United States--Hastur! (talk) 01:03, 18 September 2020 (UTC)

There was no "AIDS crisis" until Democrats came up with their homophobic and bigotted "Don't ask Don't tell" policy. nobsBlack Guns Matter 01:24, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
The only "crisis" that existed in the 1980s was AIDS putting a damper on recruiting young people into the LGBT movement. nobsBlack Guns Matter 01:25, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
So I've just seen the same person decry homophobia in one post and then espouse homophobia in the one immediately following it. I would laugh. But since it is Rob, somehow I feel more like crying. Spud (talk) 02:34, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Was it not Reagan that completely ignored AIDS? St Ronnie? AceModerator 06:48, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
Why bother with your shit propaganda here, Rob? Those of us old enough to remember know you're full of shit and the rest can look it up. LondonGrump (talk) 06:49, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
If Regan ignored it, it must not have happened!-RipCityLiberal (talk) 18:54, 18 September 2020 (UTC)
AIDS still is a crisis in the US. if you are poor and not white. meanwhile in the uk we are rolling out prep and pushing to end all new transmissions of hiv by 2030. i cant boast about much in the uk lately, but we treat hiv when someone tests positive. better for them better for all around them as they wont be infectious. and there is prep now. and no one will ask about your insurance. AMassiveGay (talk) 20:02, 18 September 2020 (UTC)