Conservapedia talk:What is going on at CP?

From RationalWiki
Jump to: navigation, search

What is going on?

(talk) (talk) (talk) (talk) (hic)

As a point of etiquette, please use the [add section] tab above, or the "Add new section" link below, when adding a new topic, and the appropriate [edit] tab when commenting on existing topics. This will lessen the incidence of edit conflicts. Thank you.

When adding a link to Conservapedia that is not already on What is going on at CP? please place <capture></capture> around the link.

This page is automatically archived by Archiver
Archives for this talk page: Archive list

DavidB4 is slowly blocking the internet[edit]

Trump Blues by Carman
Error creating thumbnail: File with dimensions greater than 12.5 MP

Don't know if anyone else has noticed but DavidB4's bot has slowly been blocking tens of thousands of IP addresses as webservers allowing spam. From what I've read, such automated IP blocking would have made TK proud.CPWatcher (talk) 17:33, 8 September 2018 (UTC)

Dude, click on the link and you'll see that all those blocks were made over 1 year ago. How's he "slowly blocking the internet" if only a few blocks were made all at once?Sovereigntist (talk) 02:01, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
@Sovereigntist My mistake, I meant to set the number of entries to something much larger than the default of 50. Here are the oldest 1,000 entries stretching from 31 August 2017 to 2 September 2017. 10,000 blocks later and its only 26 September 2017. The bot hasn't made any more blocks since June though. CPWatcher (talk) 11:47, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
thanks and that looks like a lot of blocks. But it's still been a year since the blocks ended. Sovereigntist (talk) 19:34, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
@CPWatcher Was that bot set up before TK died? If so... ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 17:37, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
No, DavidB4 only joined in (I think) October 2015 and his bot in July 2016.CPWatcher (talk) 17:42, 8 September 2018 (UTC)
And whoever is running 1990'sguy seems to be losing patience and is pushing their luck more to see what he can get away with. Only a serious parodist would post this with a straight face. Oldusgitus (talk) 09:32, 9 September 2018 (UTC)
User creation log: 12 November 2013
Wikipedia: Administrators' noticeboard/ Incidents
Wikipedia user page

Dude, the guy's from wikipedia, created 2013[1]. He's obviously a true believer[2] and admits he edits cp on wikipedia[3]Sovereigntist (talk) 02:01, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
So what? My account over at CP is a few years older than his and I've even had Ken supporting me as a good faith editor during an argument in the past. The fact his account is long standing doesn't mean he's not a parodist. Oldusgitus (talk) 17:10, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
all the links I shared were from wikipedia. He was on the site long before joining cp in 2016 and already had a reputation for being a rightwing creationist. That and the sheer amount of edits shows he's more like TAR than like you.Sovereigntist (talk) 19:34, 10 September 2018 (UTC)

Ken's Thing For the UK[edit]

It's unlikely that that British guy from all those years ago was attracted to obese and physically unattractive individuals, and it's even less likely that he's coming back. People who have come to terms with this shouldn't have to bash themselves over it.

Is there a reason for Ken's tirades about the Darwinist UK and, say potholes, beyond the fact that Darwin was English? Why never France and potholes or Japan and potholes, even though both of those countries have higher belief-in-evolution responses? Whoover (talk) 20:20, 20 September 2018 (UTC)

Oh, that. Apparently his fight with a member here back in April-May who actually lives in Britain and therefore could counter Cons' lies and misrepresentations about the NHS got very personal and he's added Mercian, and by extension their entire nation, to his Book of Grudges. So now it's on his list of fair game and out comes the repetitive patter. Terribly Christian of him, to never forget a slight nor forgive a trespass. Semipenultimate (talk) 23:15, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
Back in April-May? It's been going on much longer than that. It's been going on for at least a decade. It was nearly ten years ago that Ken was writing articles like "Bestiality and godless Britain".I think it's partly a result of Ken's attempts back in the early days to get on Andy's good side. And remember, Andy used to think that the use of British English on Wikipedia was one of its problems because, of course, American English is so much better than British English thanks to all the time you save by writing "color" instead of "colour". And I think Andy's dislike of Britain, which Ken has tapped into, is not only because of Darwin but because of other historical reasons. 1776 and all that. Spud (talk) 23:50, 20 September 2018 (UTC)
I don't know why he should have a 1776 issue with the UK. That's when we started winning. Whoover (talk) 02:31, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
This March 2007 article inspired a whole bunch of UK editors to sign up and point & laugh / argue with the crazy fundamentalist loons / create parody articles / wandalise the shit out of the place (delete as applicable). Helena Bonham Carter (talk) 19:36, 21 September 2018 (UTC)
I tried to reach out to him to have a serious discussion and exchange of views, at first he was on the verge of reasonable then he turned into a spoiled child. The pothole story was a footnote on the BBC website on a very slow news days but Ken has now written more about this "crisis" then the entire British media combined. The roads in central County Antrim are in good condition though, not because of the protestant work ethic but because hardly anyone lives there and uses them. It is not like Southern England, The Midlands and the southern portion of Northern England where the population density is one of the highest in the Western World. His latest article on the upcoming winter "Global warming"? fails to mention that we have just been through the hottest summer I can remember in my 40 odd years. Last winter was very cold, last summer very hot and the upcoming winter is again supposed to be cold. That Ken, is called climate change because without a doubt over the last 5 years the climate in The UK has changed as you point out yourself mate. --Mercian (talk) 05:58, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
To add, we had heavy snow deep into April this years with flurries lasting into early May. By the end of May the temps were in high 80s so within 3 weeks we had an 50 degree swing in temperatures, if that is not climate change I don't know what is.--Mercian (talk) 06:06, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
And one of the reasons we are having issues with pot-holes is that historically we have had a very mild climate here in the UK, look where we are on the planet compared to Canada and Russia then look how mild our winter temperatures are. So historically our roads have not had to cope with the extremes in temperature that occur elsewhere in the world. AS the climate changes and the UK gets hotter summers, colder winters and more rain then we are going to have to change how we lay road surfaces or it will not get any better. And of course on the lie of austerity trillions have been taken out of the overall economy and given to millionaires and bankers in bail-outs and tax cuts, money which could have solved the problem many times over had the political will been different. Oldusgitus (talk) 10:44, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
I looked and it surprised me, Edmonton, the most northern Canadian city of over 100,000 residents is level with Plymouth, the most southern British city with over 100,000. Moscow is at a similar latitude to Glasgow and Newcastle to the Alaskan panhandle. Glasgow can get get quite chilly in a (normal) winter but I cannot imagine winter in central Scotland stopping Napoleon or Hitler in their tracks. Barcelona is also east of London, that really surprised me, I thought it way to the west.--Mercian (talk) 21:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

Ref Knob's post about mass murderer hating Trump.[edit]

There does seem to be a hint of truth in this, what gets me though is that it is listed in "Left-wing violence in the Trump era". I suppose some people see Trump as too liberal. The left are certainly capable of violence, this though is far right. Correction, Nazi's are of course left-wing liberals.--Mercian (talk) 15:19, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

The Nazis were left wing. Stalin was left wing. FDR was left wing. Mussolini was left wing. Doesn't it strike CP odd that there was no right in WWII? Whoover (talk) 04:20, 29 October 2018 (UTC)
Talk:Left-wing violence in the Trump era
Only Winston Churchill and George Orwell.
On a wider point, this is a gem of a project by RobS, up there with his "definitive" investigations into Hillary Clinton. He says "We're doing important work here cause when you Google "Left wing violence", all you get are "rightwing" results. There's nobody like ADL or SPLC solely dedicated to doing the it. We're doing important scientific research here, compiling a database." and then tells us he thinks Anthony Bourdain is a victim of the Clinton crime family.
I suggest he eases back because he is danger of blowing his cover LondonGrump (talk) 08:31, 29 October 2018 (UTC)

Subprime = affirmative action[edit]

Right here Maxine Waters admits "subprime" is a codeword for "black" or "minority". RobSmithMisogynist women made me loose 23:05, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

It's nothing to do with the narrator's Russian accent, but I can't see where she says anything of the kind. Please, share your diamond tipped insight and give us one of those minute:second cues. While you're there, have you got a source for the Marxist thing? LondonGrump (talk) 07:05, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Maxine accepts responsibility for the subprime mortgage mess where she says "we didn't know what we were signing" the new "complicated" mortgage products so that white Wall Street liberals could take advantage of them and make themselves rich. FNMA is a big government scheme to make liberal Wall Street bankers rich by buying back mortgages so they can get more Americans to sell themselves into debt slavery faster; "From each as he is able (homeowners), to each according to his need (greedy rich Wall Street Marxists)". RobSmithMisogynist women made me loose 11:59, 3 November 2018 (UTC) and
Surely a contender for best Rob quote ever right at the end there. 2A02:C7D:1635:5C00:9E2:3B47:D026:B241 (talk) 20:37, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Marxists like the one that shot up the synagogue eh Knobs?--Mercian (talk) 23:43, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Right now I'm trying to determine the party affiliation of this perp so I can add him (assuming he identifies as male) to our leftist violence page. RobSmithMisogynist women made me loose 23:53, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
So, Rob, where does Maxine Waters say subprime is a codeword for black and minority? If that's too difficult a question for you, you can always tell us what you think a Marxist is. LondonGrump (talk) 21:33, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
Waters makes the claim that "we" somehow were coerced against their will to sign subprime mortgages. In doing so, she places responsibility for the subprime mortgage crisis on her constituents. She then claims "they," presumably Jewish Wall Street bankers, foreclosed on their homes. RobSmithIvanka 2024! 23:34, 5 November 2018 (UTC)
So she doesn't actually say it. She says "we" got conned by, according to you, Jewish Marxist Wall Street bankers. I enjoy your nonsense -working out whether you are a troll or genuinely that stupid - but take your anti-semitic shit somewhere else. LondonGrump (talk) 13:28, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
I'm assuming nobS is suggesting Maxine is the one with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories. Considering the reach of Farrakhan's Nation of Islam and similar offshoots in the black community, I wouldn't be particularly surprised if that turned out to be true. (talk) 14:44, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
I can't find the reference but I think Rob refered to Hilary Clinton as a Marxist. So in his definition a Marxist is a centre-right pseudo progressive corporate pawn.--Mercian (talk) 14:47, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Hillary I'd classify as a Leninist. Technically speaking, there really is even a subdivision between Leninist and Marxist-Leninist. Hillary appears to have studied closely Lenin's, Leftwing Communism: An Infantile Disease. RobSmithIvanka 2024! 21:34, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
Counterpunch magazine documented how Hillary built a vanguard partyWikipedia's W.svg of a chosen few which is 100% Leninism. Marx made no such reference to vanguardism or the idea of a "permanent revolution." RobSmithIvanka 2024! 21:43, 10 November 2018 (UTC)
I wonder where Trump falls in this scheme. What sort of commie is an isolationist-militarist-federalist with ambitions of outerspace-expansionism who ostensibly supports the previously discarded proletariat? (talk) 04:38, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Trump doesn't fall into any of those categories. He is just a pig stupid narcissist Acei9 05:05, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Good question. I had to point out today to the anti-neocon anti-globalists that Trump's Iranian policy is the same as the neocons. But it's how you phrase it. Instead of saying Trump's bowed to the neocons, you have to say the entire neocon movement suddenly woke up and saw the wisdom of Donald Trump. RobSmithGrab 'em by the nob! Nobs for Mod! 05:08, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
the wisdom of Donald Trump. I never thought I would see anyone describe Trumps manner as coming from a place of wisdon...(BTW Rob you have my vote for mod). Acei9 05:26, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
The same in the sense of only making threats against the main state sponsor of terror, I guess. But conquering Iraq and Afghanistan on a whim? Sure why not. (talk) 05:51, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
There's no reason to assume one excludes the other, you know. (talk) 05:29, 11 November 2018 (UTC)
Conservatives use "Marxist" the same way liberals use "fascist" these days. Everyone needs their throwaway political insults I guess. *shrugs* (talk) 14:49, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Blimey, another person who thinks (?) assumptions are the same as proof and only work one way, with some whataboutism thrown in. LondonGrump (talk) 23:17, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
Blimey, another strawmanning person on the internet, who'd have thought. (talk) 23:19, 6 November 2018 (UTC)
LOLWUT? LondonGrump (talk) 23:23, 6 November 2018 (UTC)

Andy Finds More Trump Economic Brilliance[edit]


The World Economic Forum changed the basis of its Global Competitive Report for 2018. Global Competitive Index 4.0 adds innovation and other components to better model adaptation to the "Fourth Industrial Revolution." You don't have to be a macroeconomist to love this change, though. The new index puts the US on top, and certainly would have in previous years. Through Schlafly glasses, "President Trump has made the U.S. the #1 most competitive economy in the world, which the former President Obama never achieved." Gotta love those glasses. Whoover (talk) 20:39, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

The US is kinda like East Germany in 1989. We're detoxing off socialism and converting over to a capitalist and freedom loving society again. nobs piss in my ear 21:13, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
If the last decade or two has been socialism, socialism sure managed to produce a lot of stuff. Whoover (talk) 04:01, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Yep, sure did. Like surveillance technology, Chinese gulag re-education camp, etc. nobs piss in my ear 04:12, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Getting back to the point, it's surprising how many socialist countries made the top ten. LondonGrump (talk) 15:21, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I am not sure if Rob is deliberately ignorant or just stupid. Socialism my arse.--Mercian (talk) 00:04, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
Chinese gulag re-education camp Wow, really? Are you sure about that? Obama was a socialist? I suppose all those Goldman Sachs lobbyists who made it into the Obama inner circle as staffers were secret communists. Acei9 00:54, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
They are Jewish Marxists, don't you know. Rob explained it above. LondonGrump (talk) 06:33, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
In the real world productivity in the US has been stagnant for the last decade because of massive job creation - in crappy, unproductive jobs.[4] Reducing hours worked increases productivity (hence a brief leap in productivity around 2008). So I don't think the WEF's data has much relation to actual people's lives, although maybe it's less stupid than the standard productivity measure. --Annanoon (talk) 10:27, 3 December 2018 (UTC)