Essay talk:Social Effects of the Theory of Evolution

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A Few Things to Look Into

I don't have the sources for any of this, but here's a few things I remember from studying these topics in history class:

1. It's interesting to note that Darwin himself was influenced by Thomas Malthus who was a Capitalist, not a Communist. Indeed, many have accused certain capitalists of being "social Darwinists" but Malthus's writings came before Darwin. I'm pretty sure I've heard this more than once.

2. I remember the science historian James Burke making the assertion that Karl Marx claimed, after having written his theses on class struggle, that the theory of evolution supported what his assertions (I don't have the tape of that "connections" episode with me, so I can't cite it). However, James Burke claimed that "Darwinism" had been used to support all 20th Century ideologies (Communism, Capitalism,and "Racial hygiene"). Interesting Conservapedia never cites "Connections," probably it's not the kind of thing many religious conservatives watch. It's too subtle and complicated perhaps. O.K. so I'm stereotyping, but some of these people seem to think "Liberals" only read Harry Potter and The Da Vinchi Code.

3. According to Wikipedia (which is not the final word for refuting Conservapedia)the Soviets rejected what scientists currently believe about evolution in favor of Lysenkoism[1] which, in my view, was really just Lamarkianism under a different guise.

Hey, at least I admit I'm not sure. I'm a college student with too much else going on. Yet as I said, these are things to look into. ^{— Unsigned, by: 64.147.210.162 / talk / contribs}

In fact, I pointed out on CPs Theory of Evolution talk page that the logic used to attack evolution on the (supposed) basis of its having influenced Nazism and Communism could be used to attack Christianity on the basis of it having been used to justify slavery and racism. Since my bannning, I noticed my remarks were taken down.Alloco1 18:17, 24 March 2008 (EDT)

Redlinks

This essay contains a number of redlinks, some to articles that are on CP but not RW. Would it be ok to de wikify the CP links? Further on your side of the page in section 7 there is a redlink that goes to theistic evolution and I am not sure why you put that in. I.e. I am not sure what relevance TE has to your particular argument in this case. We will probably write a TE article at some stage, and it would be nice if your essay was enhanced by that article, but as it stands I'm not sure how that will actually occur. Thoughts? --Remarcsd 06:11, 7 October 2007 (EDT)

Cover Story nomination

Please do not archive this section

I'd like to nominate this for cover story status.--Bayes^update 14:14, 29 January 2008 (EST)

• It's good work, I agree. yes human 14:52, 29 January 2008 (EST)

I like it... for the obvious reasons... but if it's going to be frontpage material I'd like to scrub my name for it... I don't think anyone person should appear to be the face of the site, so while essays should definitely be frontpage candidates, perhaps they should be scrubbed of individuality, given the author's consent to the same?-αmεσ (heckuva job!) 17:49, 29 January 2008 (EST)

OK, well, "noincluding" the essay template gets rid of that mention (I think I already did that), so all you have to do is alter that first section slightly, right? Except for not naming them on the front page, I see no problem with the "individuality" that occurs all over this site. Or pointing out that some of our editors have written well-regarded "solo" pieces. human 18:33, 29 January 2008 (EST)

I don't really see a problem with that, either, since the cover stories are rotating. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 19:50, 29 January 2008 (EST)

Great article Ames, but I think we should throw it open for more editing, no? I say not until it's less of a singular opinion. DogP 21:25, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

Human seems to think it's okay to put essays on the front page, and he's brought me around to him. But I'd be happy to move it to mainspace if people wanted edits. But I guess the real question is whether essays should be frontpaged.-αmεσ (heckuva job!) 21:31, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

I'm ok either way. Covering it might encourage others to create good essays worthy of the honor. Or, I can see Dog's point of not wanting "first person" writing on the main page. As far as the more general cover story/essay thing - why not? It shows, strongly, that our individual editors also create works on their own here, and that some can end up being "featured". Perhaps we need more discussion on that issue first. human 21:35, 2 April 2008 (EDT)

Since it is about a CP article anyways, if the name is scrubbed, shall we simply move it to CP namespace while we are at it? Not that I have a problem with the name on it, but perhaps let others participate as well by releasing it (mostly due to the updates in the CP article itself)? [[User:K61824|]][[User_talk:K61824|]] 23:10, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

I think we're just leaving it where it is, K. Note the above discussion was over a year ago... although you have a good point about updating it. Maybe we should "fork" a copy to the CP space and link them to each other? Do you want to do that? ħuman 23:39, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Conservapedia attempts to discredit Evolution by claiming it influenced Hitler. By the same reasoning, one should also blame Gregor Mendel, since the whole modern theory of heredity basically starts with him. But no, they won't go there because Mendel was a Christian, a Catholic monk, no less! ^{— Unsigned, by: Alloco1 / talk / contribs}

Hitler was a Christian first

Leaders in Christianity had been enslaving and killing blacks and other "inferior" races for CENTURIES before Hitler came along. They tried many times to kill off the Jews, homosexuals, Muslims, and even had a special penchant for killing other Christians who disagreed with them on exactly what the Bible says God said. Atheists, Agnostics, Freethinkers, etc. didn't stand a bloody chance in hell of surviving those 1500 years of slaughter brought by Christian Europe unless they kept their mouths shut.

Hitler was a Christian, first and foremost, who simply seized any opportunity he could to prop up the continued Christian answer to the Jewish problem (i.e. kill them all). Dragging along Evolution was just adding another tool in his mind but he certainly didn't replace Christ Insanity with it.

"Secular schools can never be tolerated because such a school has no religious instruction and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith.... We need believing people." -- Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933

^{— Unsigned, by: Kajabla / talk / contribs} 02:23, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Namespace

Is there a reason this is in essay space rather than Conservapedia space? Frostbyte (talk) 19:44, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Because it's a personal essay rather than a collaborative article. ωεαşεζøίɗ^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 19:51, 31 May 2014 (UTC)