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Talk:2024 United Kingdom riots

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putting down the rioters[edit]

not really sure there is much reason for this section detailing 3 convicted rioters. whats so special about these 3 pricks? 470 people have been charged for violent disorder during these riots, and just like the 3 we have highlighted, dumb mugs manipulated by years of right wing hatemongering in the news media and social media. are we going to detail the rap sheets of all 470? no, of course not. we dont need to protect the identities of these pricks, but we arent providing any kind of service to society by arbitrarily singling out and naming these 3 dumbfucks, who like most of the other 470 who been charged are simply dumb fuck pawns. the names of all of them are a matter of public record as it is having been charged and/or convicted. the instigators, sure, name and shame those fuckers, they need their shit called out along with their methods - that shines a light on their fuckery we can better understand and combat it. plus they are an on going threat.these 3 though? they are literal no bodies, and having been convicted, arent getting away with anything, they have been handed custodial sentences. we are not going to be naming and detailing the crimes of all 470, i know that for certain, and while i am certain a case could be made to discuss maybe one or two of thoses fuck if there were anything of particular note in their actions to warrant this special attention, or especially egregious behaviour , or anything to suggest they were some of those orchestrating the violence with links to more notable figures, but these 3 have none of that and the inclusion in this article appears entirely arbitrary. like i said they dumb fuck no mark mugs who have been manipulated by bigger fish and have sent to prison for their efforts. these 3 arent even smaller fry, they are plankton. AMassiveGay (talk) 00:51, 16 January 2025 (UTC)

others[edit]

the pricks mentioned in this section, warrant a more prominent discussion within the article than a simple list under a section heading of 'others'. ot belies the fact they helped create the conditions for all this hatred to foment, stoking anti immigrant for years, in some cases decades, as well as amplifying the the disinformation so it reached far more than dedicated far right activists could ever hope to influence on telegram alone, and continue to push the same bile they've fuelling hate with for years, denying their culpability in the riots without moderating or toning down their rhetoric one iota, and all but claiming the violent mobs were justified in their hate blaming the government and hordes of dangerous immigrants flooding britain ie. believing the lies and ugly anti immigrant they themselves were pushing.

the simple list as it is, and the innocuous section heading, really makes these pricks look more peripheral to what went down, its almost whitewashes effectively their actions, when some of them have a greater culpability in these riots, even without playing a direct part in the riots or organising them. its no coincidence that some folk have been calling them the farage riots. these pricks have been inciting violence like this for years. one doesnt have to explicitly call for violent action to incite violence, enough inflammatory rhetoric over the years and from all directions is incitement enough, even it falls short of being legally actionable. thats these pricks only talent - stopping just short of what could lead to a conviction, and denying any blame for what results, rubbing their hands with glee at the chance capitalise on the turmoil they helped create.

especially, as noted in in my previous post, compared to the attention 3 no mark rioters get AMassiveGay (talk) 01:39, 16 January 2025 (UTC)