Talk:Christian Zionism

I've heard it said a number of times, including by this article, that Christian Zionists point to scripture to say that the existence of a Jewish homeland in Israel is a necessary precondition to the Second Coming. Does anyone know exactly what passages they point to? There has to be something. 131.247.244.240 (talk)

Zionism (both Jewish & Christian) cites God's covenant with Abraham & later Moses, promising the Israelites this territory. It's mentioned various places in the scriptures - see promised Land at Wikipedia for the relevant passages. Christian Zionism predicts an apocalypse, as per Revelation etc., but holds that God's promise to the Israelites is still valid so this prophesy must be fulfilled first. Weaseloid^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 07:27, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Is Christian Zionism inherently Antisemitic?

A fundamental, but usually unspoken aspect, of Christian Zionism is the idea that the ultimate goal for the reconstruction of the temple, the red heifer and all of that stuff that will bring about the 2nd coming of Jesus, is that upon his return, Jews will have the choice to convert to Christianity (when confroted with the overwhelming evidence that Jesus is the Messiah). Those that do not will be killed/damned forever. This often makes strange bedfellows amongst Christians and Jewish Zionists, where the former's ultimate goal is the destruction of the latter's religion. Whether this can be considered tacit antisemitism or not is a question this article may need to dive deeper into. Petey Plane (talk) 18:35, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

I doubt many Christian Zionists of this kind are really concerned with what happens to the Jews once the Second Coming has come (apathy rather than hate towards Jews), though it's not quite impossible that a few of them are genuine outright antisemites. Though it could be said the dishonest nature of their alliance with Jewish Zionists makes the whole thing pretty antisemitic. I should note, though, that there's also many moderate Christians that support Zionism out of guilt for the Holocaust and a sense of religious kinship with Judaism, largely unaware of/unconcerned with the details of Christian eschatologics. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 19:45, 17 August 42015 AQD (UTC)

I'd daresay that there are some Christians who still believe that the Jews are "god's chosen people" (I guess that is where stuff like British Israelism comes from) and support Zionism on that basis. Furthermore from a practical standpoint: The current state of Israel is much friendlier to Christian pilgrims than most other entities that had control over said area in the last two millennia... Avengerofthe BoN (talk) 19:25, 17 August 2015 (UTC)

Ah yes, there's that too. 142.124.55.236 (talk) 19:51, 17 August 42015 AQD (UTC)

Agree that the majority of Christian Zionist don't have any animus toward Jews, and view Zionism as a benefit to both Jews and Christians, but the whole movement is predicated on the Jews of Israel (and ultimately, the world), becoming Christians. While not overtly antagonistic of Jews (for the most part), books like The Late Great Planet Earth are pretty explicit in that Jesus' return will come with the mass conversion or slaughter of the Jews. On the other hand, that also apply to all non-Christians. It is an interesting relationship though, between Christian and Jewish Zionists. Petey Plane (talk) 20:02, 17 August 2015 (UTC)