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Non-mission article?[edit]

In its current form, I am not sure this article meets the criteria for a RW article? Perhaps barely for authoritarianism. There is ample material though and I will have a bash. --TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 05:44, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Done. I think it now reads more like a RW article. And I stuck in a bronze brainstar.--TheroadtoWiganPier (talk) 14:27, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

Concerns about article[edit]

Indonesia is in Asia, it is part of Asia on the Asian continental plate, not next to Asia. "long and complex history"?, India's dates from 3,000BC, China's written history from 1600BC, Egypt's 3000BC, Greece established around 7000BC and perhaps in its stride around 1000BC, the Roman Republic dates from 500BC; so how objective is it to describe Indonesia a nation established in 1945 (or even Java) as having a long history? I believe both spellings of Sukarno/Soekarno are correct, both were used by the man himself and by the nation. Sukarno was a self-declared nationalist, as I understand who was convicted twice in the 1930s for calling on Japan to declare war on the US in hopes that they would need East-Indies oil for such a war. The war from 1945 was supported by a "Black Fan" terrorist organisation comprised of some 3,000 Japanese officers who rejected their order to surrender and decided to instead support Sukarno in a war against the Dutch. Dutch aggression may be more of a political claim than realistic, in 1945 the Netherlands signed the UN Charter in which it would be legally required to help the 'East Indies' towards a "full measure of self-government", and at the first UN season in 1946 the Netherlands proclaimed itself to be subject to this legal obligation (article 73) of helping the East Indies towards self-government. On subject of terrorism you might want to lookup Bendera Merah-Putih, Laskar Jihad, Bahrun Naim's network, Darul Islam was active in 1950s and 1960s, Majilis Mujahidin Indonesia is newer, and this year Wiranto has invited Islamic militants to migrate to Papua so they can be deputised as they roam the streets in the evenings.Snow Monkey (talk) 19:37, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

In regards to spelling, he was born Soekarno. Soekarno is rumored to prefer the spelling Sukarno (cannot confirm, hearsay), as the oe was remnants for colonial Dutch spelling. In 1972, Suharto (also born Soeharto) established the Enhanced Indonesian Spelling system, which enforced the elimination of oe from spelling. So legally speaking, the correct spelling is Soekarno. Additionally, it was a minor cultural thing to use oe for Soekarno's, ironically in defiance of the Suharto's New Order which have since used the Sukarno version of spelling or a term of reverence to the first president. Probably needs fixing, but to bitter to do it. Bwahahaha. Indra (talk) 12:17, 8 September 2020 (UTC)