Talk:Jonathan Sarfati

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“”He has a B.Ss in Chemistry and a Ph.D for a thesis entitled "A Spectroscopic Study of some Chalcogenide Ring and Cage Molecules"[2]. It should be noted that physical chemistry and spectroscopy as disciplines lend absolutely no expertise on any aspect of biology.

I have to disagree with that, a lot of biochemistry deals with complex ring structures and cage molecules. That fact that he believes they can only be made through some "intelligence" shows he is an incredulous moron who is probably arrogant about his discipline ("only us great chemist could make such a thing") . They however are biology related. - π 01:40, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Idiot, or Conscious liar?

I'd disagree with the above only in this regard: There is no doubting Sarfati ought to know better. With a PhD in a scientific discipline, he's been taught enough of the scientific method to know that Creationism fails at every turn to make its argument. Presuppositionalism, the idea that your conclusions come first, and only evidence in support of those conclusions are admissible, is the exact and complete opposite of Science, and Sarfati knows in his heart of hearts it is.

Thus, criticism of Sarfati should proceed on the basis, not that he's a moron, but that he is mendacious; a casuist who lies calculatedly about the evidence because he is ideologically committed to doing so. He is the acme of the truism "You can't make a man understand something when his paycheck depends on him not understanding it". Sarfati's sole income and reputation flows from his occupation as a Young Earth Creationist speaker and author.

I'm all for scorn when it's justified, but I'm making this suggestion sincerely, since it's most effective when you've accurately got someone's measure. Calling Sarfati an idiot isn't helpful. Calling him a nasty, weasel-faced liar is more accurate. ^{— Unsigned, by: Bodenland / talk / contribs}

You're a more prolific editor than I am already. Why didn't you take a run at this yourself? I think it's pretty universally accepted here that presuppers know they're lying. User:Nutty Roux/sigtalk

So is there going to be a rebuttal of this thing?

Question Evolution abiogenesis questions

It just seems to be there, Safarti's little hunk of pseudoscientific talking points, copied verbatim and not questioned or refuted. ^{— Unsigned, by: 96.246.226.8 / talk / contribs}