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I put a fact tag on this because I can't quickly find any reference to this organisation. Could the original author supply a link showing it exists? Thanks.--Bobbing up 05:07, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- Could we have perhaps a link to the organisation itself? If it exists I assume that it has a website?--Bobbing up 05:16, 17 December 2008 (EST)
Not exactly. Anti-marriage movement is not an organized social movement like animal right movement, anti-globalization movement etc. It is loosely connected and consists of individual academics, scholars and philosopher who oppose marriage. Radical feminist 06:41, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- Frankly speaking, anti-marriage movement doe not have any organization, it is loosely connected and consists of individual critics of marriage. May we move the title to Opposition to marriage or Criticism of marriage? For now I am redirecting this page to the criticism section of Marriage. Radical feminist 06:50, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- Oh someone added a link. If you believe this article lacks enough reference, you can redirect it to criticism section of Marriage. Radical feminist 06:52, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- No, they added a link to somebody criticizing something called "Marriage abolition movement". I'm trying to find out if this organisation actually exists. You say: It views marriage as a form of legalized prostitution and institutionalized slavery which oppresses women. The "It" implies that it is an organisation with formalised views. But now you seem to be saying it doesn't really exist in any concrete form. So I've added some for fact tags.--Bobbing up 06:56, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- Again, as I have repeatedly said, it is not organization, but loosely connected individuals opposing marriage. Criticism of marriage is anti-marriage. Though I agree it is a bit synthesis to put critic of marriage under anti-marriage movement banner. Radical feminist 07:03, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- If it's not an organisation, how can it have views like: "Anti-marriage movement is opposed to same-sex marriage, not to homosexuality. They believe homosexual couples should live together in their own choice..."? How can you possibly quote the policies of a non-existent organisation? If it has any significance (or even existence) at all there should be somebody somewhere with a website supporting it. (Actually, given the number of different ideas on the internet it seems odd that there isn't one somewhere.) Personally I think the article should be deleted unless we can find some evidence that such a movement exists in any even slightly organised form - or disorganised form for that matter.--Bobbing up 07:17, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- Again, as I have repeatedly said, it is not organization, but loosely connected individuals opposing marriage. Criticism of marriage is anti-marriage. Though I agree it is a bit synthesis to put critic of marriage under anti-marriage movement banner. Radical feminist 07:03, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- No, they added a link to somebody criticizing something called "Marriage abolition movement". I'm trying to find out if this organisation actually exists. You say: It views marriage as a form of legalized prostitution and institutionalized slavery which oppresses women. The "It" implies that it is an organisation with formalised views. But now you seem to be saying it doesn't really exist in any concrete form. So I've added some for fact tags.--Bobbing up 06:56, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- Oh someone added a link. If you believe this article lacks enough reference, you can redirect it to criticism section of Marriage. Radical feminist 06:52, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- I tried to find sourced in the net and print sources opposing marriage under the banner "marriage abolition movement". But could not find any. So I am tagging the page for deletion because to put criticism of marriage under this banner is synthesis. Thanks for pointing out. Radical feminist 07:18, 17 December 2008 (EST)
[unindent]Wouldn't it be better to keep this, move the bulk of "criticisms of Marriage" into it and refer from Marriage to here? Otherwise the "marriage" page might end up looking like a hatchet job on marriage (I think most people on the site would agree that there are oppressive elements in many marriages, that marital law was often oppressive, but would balk at the suggestion that marriage per se was essentially and necessarily oppressive)--Toffeeman 07:30, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- OK, - but then I think we should re-title it so that it refers to something which actually does exist. "Objections to marriage" or something of that sort.--Bobbing up 07:33, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- FWIW, I've run into anti-marriage ideas, but they're generally not much more than individuals who speak out about their views, there might be some books out there. I haven't seen much of anything beyond the individual level, though, and of course reasoning differs pretty widely between individuals. --Kels 08:26, 17 December 2008 (EST) Edited to add Thinking about it, I do know there are some anti-marriage homosexuals, who generally don't care for the focus on marriage in the GLBTBBQ community in recent years, but again that's more of a reaction than anything organized. --Kels 08:28, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- Again, I don't know if there is an organization, but there is a movement to do this. A very marginal movement, but a movement nevertheless. Researcher 09:41, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- For the record, my ex-wife was a member of this movement. Researcher 09:49, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- I am a member of the "Movement to teach rationalism in schools". We have no web page, no organisation but I may have exchanged a few emails with people who share my opinions. There are no references to our beliefs on the internet. In order to improve our profile I am thinking of creating a RW article. Should I do this? What about the "Free meals for unemployed philosophers movement"?--Bobbing up 12:08, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- For the record, my ex-wife was a member of this movement. Researcher 09:49, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- Again, I don't know if there is an organization, but there is a movement to do this. A very marginal movement, but a movement nevertheless. Researcher 09:41, 17 December 2008 (EST)
- FWIW, I've run into anti-marriage ideas, but they're generally not much more than individuals who speak out about their views, there might be some books out there. I haven't seen much of anything beyond the individual level, though, and of course reasoning differs pretty widely between individuals. --Kels 08:26, 17 December 2008 (EST) Edited to add Thinking about it, I do know there are some anti-marriage homosexuals, who generally don't care for the focus on marriage in the GLBTBBQ community in recent years, but again that's more of a reaction than anything organized. --Kels 08:28, 17 December 2008 (EST)