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You have been smitten by a bunny in accordance with the community standards for... no real reason. Feel free to revert this odd edit.

This is where I keep some stuff and play about.

Hello and welcome to my talk page. Not being a smart chap I'll reply on this page to any comments on this page.--Bob_M (talk) 01:59, 28 May 2007 (CDT)

Ryulong and Exiled Encyclopedist[edit]

Go here. Fuzzy. Cat. Potato! (talk/stalk) 16:01, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Religion vs Evolution[edit]

Feel free to delete this message once you get it. I just wanted to let you know that I added a section on the talk page for the evolution article, to address the "disclaimer" that I noticed you tried to improve and then decided to just get rid of. Do we need it? I don;t know.... probably not, but there may be some value to be found in the overall concept. Here's a link straight to the talk page... Talk:Evolution ...just to make it easier. :) DonaldKronos (talk) 22:47, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for that, good of you to let me know. (Incidentally, you may not be aware but deleting talk material is not permitted on this wiki.)--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 07:39, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Nomination to Board of trustees[edit]

It's occured. Fuzzy. Cat. Potato! (talk/stalk) 05:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Reminder: You only have until 26 January to accept your nomination. Fuzzy. Cat. Potato! (talk/stalk) 05:37, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


Cheers, Bob. Not sure I want it, actually. Scream!! (talk) 17:40, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Then you are like the speaker in the house of commons. :-)--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 18:11, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
Now that's just plain nasty! :-) Scream!! (talk) 18:20, 7 February 2015 (UTC)
¨Ho ho". No problems. Russian1.gif--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 18:42, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Obvious error is obvious (post facto...) - The James Ossuary thing[edit]

Hi Bob,

Sorry about not using the talk page, but I actually thought the BoN's reference to the Open Journal article on the James Ossuary was posted on the talk page - hence the nature of my response. I've copy/pasted both the BoN's post and my response to it at the talk page for future reference (if I'm allowed a wee bit of bitching, undoing rather than moving it seemed a bit harsh/lazy, but of course not out of bounds). ScepticWombat (talk) 20:03, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Errrr - What? When? Who? .... Checks history.... Thinks ... When the hell did I do this? Response - after quite a few drinks. Conclusion - It would have been much better to cut and paste to the talk page. Further conclusion - I must have strong words with my less sober editing personality and suggest that he should be a bit less of a jerk. Thanks for bringing it up. :-) --Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 19:32, 19 April 2015 (UTC)
No worries - and cheers! ;-) ScepticWombat (talk) 20:27, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

For some reason...[edit]

My signature isn't working properly. It's supposed to transclude my signature template but it either substitutes or just displays plain text. Some help please? LlamaPastor31 Fnord. 23:27, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

worked here Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 23:32, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
No it didn't, that's another template. Not my signature template. LlamaPastor31 Fnord. 23:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
I'm afraid that I have no idea. You might try the Saloon Bar or here. Good luck.--Bob"I think you'll find it's more complicated than that." 05:36, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

Nomination for RationalMedia board election[edit]

You've been nominated to the RationalMedia Foundation election. Please accept or decline; if you accept, you may wish to campaign. Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 18:55, 26 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking of me but - I'm really not around here that much now and I also don't like a lot of what happens these days or the direction the site seems to be taking. I guess I should be be active and, if I want something different, fight for that. But, frankly, I lack the energy. :-( Thanks again though.--Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 10:42, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
NP. If I might ask, why do you dislike the site direction? oʇɐʇoԀʇɐϽʎzznℲ (talk/stalk) 10:46, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
I mean, we could just step up the Percy if that's what you need to regain your vigor? :3 All the best buddy, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 11:55, 27 June 2016 (UTC)
To be honest, I would prefer to keep my own council on that as I have no great desire to get involved in a debate about it. Sorry.--Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 06:08, 28 June 2016 (UTC)
Honestly, that is quite disappointing since Old Guard™ tends to be respected but I understand your refusal.--Owlman (talk) (mail) 06:36, 28 June 2016 (UTC) 06:36, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Jeez its been ahwile[edit]

Remember that summer holiday we all took on your education wiki when RW went down in '08/09? Ah memories. Acei9 21:02, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Hi Ace. Yes, time passes. But, like you, I'm not around here very much these days. I still open the door a few times a month though to see what is going on.--Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 15:33, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

I'd hate to bother you here, but I have no other way (TEFLpedia is broken)[edit]

See this topic here. I was going to "e-mail this user" over there, but apparently there's no button to do so on your talkpage (and your userpage is broken). Again, sorry to bother you here, but I had no other ideas. Blurb (talk) 01:20, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

. Ok. thanks.--Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 07:08, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
So the problem is that the site is 303 for you when you try to edit?--Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 07:19, 13 September 2016 (UTC)
It particularly seems to affect userpages. If, for example, you click on your own (Bob M) user page, you will see a 403 error. Blurb (talk) 08:53, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Amusing editor eh?[edit]

You recently mentioned on my page that you consider me amusing... If so, please, join me on my newest essay talk page... http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Essay_talk:Asking_for_it --Kingdamian1 (talk) 23:56, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

It's not your funniest work.--Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 12:55, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Rollback edit[edit]

I'm sorry for that rollback, I like clicking on things and I accidentally hit the "rollback" button and I attempted to stop the page from loading but it was too late. БaбyЛuigiOнФire🚓(T|C) 21:55, 30 December 2017 (UTC)

It's OK. Happy New Year. :-) --Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 07:19, 31 December 2017 (UTC)

You're still around[edit]

It is good to see you still stop by on occasion. I barely recognise a username around here anymore. - π 14:00, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Yes, there are very few of us from the old days. Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 19:58, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Well I am hoping to do a little lurking here again. I see TEFLpedia is still keeping on, that brings back memories. - π 14:35, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

I've Withdrawn My Candidacy[edit]

I also posted a request for users who would have voted for me in a first or second slot to vote for you or LeftyGreenMario instead. Best of luck, RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:02, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for keeping me posted.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 14:03, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Thoughts in New Atheism and Secularism[edit]

Hi, so this may seem out of the blue or really upfront, and you do not have to answer if you do not want to. I have seen you a lot on the talk pages, so I was wondering what you thought on certain things. Basically I am just trying to get a feel for this website. The articles on the New Atheists have A LOT of criticisms in it. Especially for people like Sam Harris. What is the general view among authors and editors. I know from your user page that you are against all religions. Another controversial question I see is the role of Islam in terrorism. Do you think that Islam as a religion has (at the very least partial) responsibility for terrorism along with many political factors? Would you know the general attitude of of this question on this site?

Again, I get that this is very upfront so you don’t have to answer if you don’t want to. SupremeBeing (talk) 08:51, 30 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi. Welcome to the wiki! I can only speak for myself. I cannot speak for the site and I certainly cannot speak for all atheists. If you want to know what "the site" thinks about something you would be better off at the saloon Bar.
To be more specific though. While I have an interest in atheism in general I have never (I think) edited the Sam Harris page and I have never read any of his books. So I'm probably not the best person to ask about him. If you want the site view on atheism in general then you would be better off reading our article.
I (currently) tend to think that atheism is a bit overrated. It's intellectually no more complicated than not believing in homeopathy, witchcraft or ear candling. We have no specific word for not believing in these things - yet not believing in the various gods which humanity has created over the centuries needs a special word. I understand the historically reasons why - but logically it just seems a bit weird to give a special status to this particular non-belief.
I don't know if Islam per se is necessarily more likely to cause people to carry out violent acts than Christianity is. Historically people with a fundamentalist understanding of Christianity had no problem with killing different kinds of Christians, Muslims, witches or whatever.
However, in the present day, it seems that the people most likely to be involved in carrying out terrorist actions in the name of religion are muslim groups such as ISIS, Al-Qaeda and Boko Haram. (The only Christian one that comes to mind is the Lord's Resistance Army.)
The question then becomes: are these groups terrorists because the Muslim (or Christian) religion teaches this; or do they simply use the religion as a excuse for their activities?
The answer will probably be different for each individual. For some it may be a simple political vehicule - for others they will be carrying out the will of their god.
But if you really want to know the opinion of "the wiki" then you would be better off reading the articles I have linked to (which will really be the collective expression of the wiki) and then asking on the talk page or the Saloon Bar.
I hope that helps. Could you tell me why you ask?Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 13:41, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the quick response. I was asking because some articles express views in defense of New Atheism. Like the article on New Atheism says the term is a conservative snarl word, yet at the same time, the page on Sam Harris is very critical of him. So it’s hard for me to say what the views of this page are.
As for Islam being a cause, I ask because this page doesn’t seem to be so clear on their views in this, so I felt like I needed to ask someone directly. I hope that makes sense. SupremeBeing (talk) 20:10, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
Actually I see that I didn't really respond to your New Atheism question. I have no problem with it it at all. Its proponents express their views clearly, directly and have no problems talking about the obvious shortcomings of religion. I suspect that Sam Harris himself may be less popular with some people than the concept of New Atheism. If you feel there are factual errors on the Sam Harris page you might want to take them up on the article talk page. (But as you are new, you might want to start on something uncontroversial on some other article rather than getting straight into a battle!)Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 07:35, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

You won the Board[edit]

Congratulations to you and the other two new members, David Gerard and LeftyGreenMario. —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 21:38, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Hooray! Bob M! I don't know who you are, but I'll be looking forward to having some fun discussions about the money and stuff. --It's-a me, Lgm sigpic.png LeftyGreenMario! 21:41, 12 September 2018 (UTC)
Welcome back to the Board! I hope that my UTC+8 time zone won't mean that our meetings will require you to get up too early or go to bed too late.Spud (talk) 01:34, 13 September 2018 (UTC)
Excellent. And, sorry - I've been off the grid for a while. Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 20:38, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Contacting you[edit]

Hi, I'd like to add you to the RationalMedia Foundation Board Google Group. Could you provide a personal email? (My email link is on my userpage.) Thanks! Herr FüzzyCätPötätö (talk/stalk) 18:50, 13 September 2018 (UTC)

Hi Bob, pinging you again with the same request. FuzzyCatPotato of the Lazy Ax murderers (talk/stalk) 05:18, 15 September 2018 (UTC)
Sorry. I've replied via the RW email function.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 20:37, 15 September 2018 (UTC)

Hoppity hop[edit]

You've been nominated to the RationalMedia Foundation election. Please accept or decline; if you accept, you may wish to campaign. — Dysk (contribs) 17:31, 8 July 2019 (UTC)

Good to see you[edit]

Another old face, been awhile. Acei9 19:09, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi Ace. Thanks. I had to take a bit of a break for a while. Not so many old names about now.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 07:37, 24 October 2019 (UTC)

"Allah" vs "God"[edit]

You wrote that the debate between whether the god character in the bible and the god character in the Quran is a matter for believers. I'm curious though, whether it would be a matter for linguists, anthropologists, historians and sociologists in your view. If not, why not? Asking out of personal curiosity. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 13:25, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Whether the "god character in the Bible and the god character in the Quran" are what, exactly? Oxyaena Harass 16:42, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
The same character. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:43, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

I'm not sure it would be a matter for some kind of scientific debate. Given that neither entity actually exists (as far as can be demonstrated) how would one go about demonstrating that one was the "the same" as another or not? One could certainly find the historical origins of the beliefs - but that's not the same question.

A question that could be investigated would be whether (and to what extent) believers in either cult believed that the mythical entities were the same entity. But in any event, at the end of any proposed linguistic, anthropological, historical and sociological investigation, the "sameness" of the gods would still be a question for - in this case - the Christians and the Muslims.

Could the investigators really tell the believers that they needed to believe in a somewhat different god?Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 17:47, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

Saloon Bar[edit]

Why did you revert my topic in the saloon bar St.~Emi (talk) 13:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)St.~Emi

Don't think I did. Looking at it, you reverted it yourself to the last version - which happened to be an edit by me. :-)Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 14:04, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
Ah shit... didn't evemn realize I did that I have gotta get better at the editing schematics of a wiki, thanks. St.~Emi (talk) 14:08, 31 March 2020 (UTC)St.~Emi
It's OK. I`ve made far bigger mistakes. Have fun editing! :-) Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 14:25, 31 March 2020 (UTC)


Thanks Bob. Off to bed; nighty night!Scream!! (talk) 21:46, 22 April 2020 (UTC)

Cheers mate.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 16:02, 23 April 2020 (UTC)


. AceModerator 12:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry. Email not up to date. Want to try again?Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 16:01, 13 May 2020 (UTC)


You've been nominated to the RationalMedia Foundation election. Please accept or decline; if you accept, you may wish to campaign. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 14:48, 6 July 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. But I have intermittent health issues which make this impossible.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 12:29, 7 July 2020 (UTC)