Talk:Self-fulfilling prophecy

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My thinking is that this was included because of its relationship to logical fallacies (particularly circular reasoning)? Or is it not a prophesy when one knows what's going to happen, or if it happened in the past (such as the "prophesies" of Daniel, etc)? -- Seth Peck (talk) 22:41, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

It is perhaps metaphorically related to circular reasoning, but a self-fulfilling prophecy is different. If you think the prophecies of Daniel are relevant, though, feel free to add them.--ADtalkModerator 23:01, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm just interested (e.g., curious, not skeptical) in where else you might be going with this topic, particularly as it relates to the four pillars, etc. -- Seth Peck (talk) 23:05, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
I made it because it was on the to-do list and a redlink on curse and free will.--ADtalkModerator 23:26, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Got it. Now I remember where I remember reading about this before...you just took me back to my psych 101 days, where self-fulfilling prophesy was a form of defeatism (I'm reminded of the line from the turtle in Kung Fu Panda: "One often meets his destiny on the road he takes to avoid it"). For example: Jill is irrationally worried that Jack might be cheating on her. Jill bugs Jack constantly about it. Jack says don't worry. Jill continues to worry, nags him about coming home late, asks him overbearing questions about where he's been. Jack gets irritated, leaves the bitch to go drink with friends, ends up hooking up with a girl at the bar. That's just one example, of course, but I think other interpretations (including political ones, given the current atmosphere) might be interesting to point out here. -- Seth Peck (talk) 23:42, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Sure, there are all kinds of examples. It's a very common thing - many unjustified beliefs become self-fulfilling prophecies.--ADtalkModerator 23:44, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

A solution[edit]

Create positive or neutral self-fulfilling prophecies. 86.191.125.244 (talk) 11:30, 2 January 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, master. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 12:07, 2 January 2017 (UTC)
If the reverse of a statement is rubbish, you are being insulted (and 'deliberately ignoring back' wins): if it makes more sense than the original, make use of it. And not quite the same thing as 'Every day in every way I am getting better and better' (which is smugness incarnate).86.191.125.244 (talk) 22:26, 2 January 2017 (UTC)