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Christina Hoff Sommers[edit]

Should we mention Christina Hoff Sommers's crticism - Sex, Lies and the Vagina Monologue - in the article? Faunas (talk) 19:35, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

I was kinda wondering about that myself. The context implies Christina Hoff Sommers is criticizing TVM from a feminist viewpoint, but she is not exactly representative of modern feminist thought. RationalWiki's article describes her as "a self-declared feminist (though third-parties typically refer to her as an anti-feminist)", which is putting it very charitably. Heywood (talk) 18:01, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

Worldwide white men are a minority[edit]

Why should white men shoulder the sins of all the world's men? Rape is pretty evenly distributed and Chinese, Indians etc. certainly „make their contributions“. And it is also not unknown for women to rape men or other women. Don't take this as me being pro-rape in any sense - I'm against all forms of violence - but why single out (presumably) white Americans and dump all the blame on them? America isn't the world, something I'm thankful for. Sorte Slyngel (talk) 20:42, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

What are you on about? the article (or indeed TVM itself) doesn't solely have a go at white men, or Americans. BicyclewheelModerator 20:49, 12 September 2015 (UTC)
Let's say a too superficial reading and a too happy trigger finger. My mistake. Cheers Sorte Slyngel (talk) 21:15, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Bosnia/Yugoslavia has never been in the "Third World"[edit]

I haven't (yet) edited the "ethical condescension" section because I think it does have a point in using the Bosnia example, but it's simply silly to start off a section talking about the Third World and then going directly to an example of Bosnia. The former Yugoslavia is not and has never been part of the Third World as it used to be part of the Second World (aka The Reds, albeit independent of Moscow) back when this tripartite classification was created, while today it's certainly still not in what's sometimes called the developing world.

The problem is: which other concept would work as a substitute in the current text? My lack of a quick answer and fix is what prompted this entry, rather than a simple correction. "Non-Western" (another option) doesn't work either, because Bosnia fits this category equally badly. "Non-Atlantic" is unwieldy and doesn't have the same easily recognised connotations, while anything emphasising Europe suffers from the same problem as emphasising "The West" more broadly. Perhaps the easiest fix would be to lead off with the Afghanistan example added to later versions of The Vagina Monologues and then follow with the Bosnian example, but including the qualifications about it not being a Third World country while still fitting the condescending "othering" of subjects not from "our" part of the world (apparently, the US + (North?) Western Europe?). ScepticWombat (talk) 04:12, 13 September 2015 (UTC)