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Various emails I've sent Andy.

I'm not Ice[edit]

From: Todd Larason <jtl@...>
Subject: I'm not Ice
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 09:56:10 -0700
To: aschlafly@...

Hi Andy, I'm user 'jtl' on Conservapedia, and I'm not Icewedge.

I don't know what TK's new problem with me is; as you can see on the Sysop
Abuse report page, I've asked him repeatedly, and he first declined to answer,
then he seriously insulted me, then he banned me with the allegation 'ice',
presumably a short-hand way of accusing me of being icewedge.

I'm not.  I disagree with you on many things, but I've never vandalized CP.

I'm not begging to be re-instated. I have no illusions that there's anything
like due process; TK has made that exceedingly clear.  But I do want it on the
record that I deny the allegation.

Todd Larason

I did receive a response to this letter.

Re: I'm not Ice[edit]

From: Todd Larason <>
Subject: Re: I'm not Ice
Date: Wed, 16 May 2007 13:18:38 -0700

On 16 May 07, wrote:
> If you can give me more info to build our confidence, then maybe I can get
> you reinstated.

Without having any idea what the charges against me are, I have no idea what I
could say to build confidence.  All that is probably moot, though: I have no
desire whatsoever to participate in a project where an administrator has
publically called me a terrorist.  A public apology from TK (or from you, on
behalf of the project, combined with his no longer being an administrator)
would be a necessary step.

And since I don't have any expectation of either of those things happening, I
think this is the end of my active participation.

> Conservapedia is up front about who we are and what we stand for.

So am I.  My name is on my talk page; I'm very viisble in Google; I've been
vocal but non-vandalistic in my participation in CP.
Todd Larason | Impeach Bush. Impeach Cheney. Do it now.

I received no response to this letter, nor to any of the subsequent mail.

Copying Rule[edit]

From: Todd Larason <>
Subject: Copying rule
Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 16:45:15 -0700

you reiterated the 'no copying' commandment, so I assume it is still in force.

Given that, you might wish to look at:

In the latter case, the editor included a reference, appearing to abide by
commandment 2.  If you look at that reference, however, you'll see that much
of the supposedly-cited information isn't actually given there, and the source
the information was actually taken from (exact words, actually, not just the
information) wasn't given.

Conservapedia Morality Article[edit]

From: Todd Larason <>
Subject: Conservapedia Morality article
Date: Mon, 28 May 2007 20:29:29 -0700

When you say "This section relies heavily on" in [1], do you realize you mean
"is a direct quote from"?  Do you understand that the _entire article_, not
just the parts marked as quotes, are quotes from other websites?  How does
that not conflict with Commandment 1?

I actually oversimplified somewhat -- the large section which _is_ marked as a
quote isn't actually, for two different reasons:

1. it isn't a quote from "Morals from Mainstream Media" as it says; it's
actually from the same author's "Morality and Public Order".
2. the quote has been altered; that is, it's no longer a direct quote.  At
least one of the chanegs has the effect of putting words into the author's
mouth that were actually written by a third party and quoted in the original

Do you believe this is a good example of academic honesty for your students?

And finally, do you realize that most or all of TK's large contributions have
been made this way?
Todd Larason | Obligatory 'blog: | UIN:   1622765
Impeach the Motherfucker Already

Special:Statistics counts[edit]

From: Todd Larason <>
Subject: Special:Statistics counts
Date: Wed, 30 May 2007 22:09:49 -0700

Special:Statistics doesn't prefer "more words".  You may not like the criteria
it uses to try to tell which pages have "any real content", but saying it's
looking at page length is just wrong.

It counts any article which meets the following criteria:

1. is in a namespace which is configured to be an 'article' namespace.  By
default, that's just the main namespace.

2. contains the characters '[[' at least once (that is, it contains a wiki
link or something which syntatically looks like one)

There are two special cases.

First, if you re-generate the count for some reason using updateArticleCount,
a slightly different criteria is used:

1. is in a namespace which is configured to be an 'article' namespace.  By
default, that's just the main namespace.
2. contains at least one out-going wiki link
3. has a size > 0 bytes
4. is not a redirect

I only see one actual case that makes a difference -- normally, an article
which contains a [[category:]] tag will be counted; with the
updateArticleCount script, it won't be.

Second special case: you can set a configuration variable to only count pages
which contain a comma rather than [[.  The updateArticleCount script doesn't
pay attention to this config item, so if you're using it then the two counts
would be very different.

The AncientPages list you're using, on the other hand, most certainly _does_
contain redirects.  See for instance the current #10422, "FDA v. Brown &
Williamson Tobacco Corp." and compare it with #10424, "FDA v. Brown and
Williamson Tobacco Corp.".
Impeach Bush. Impeach Cheney. Do it now.

Kickstarting an encyclopedia[edit]

From: Todd Larason <>                                                                                      
Subject: Kickstarting an encyclopedia                                                                                      
Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2007 13:57:04 -0700                                                                                       
        Moreover, is copying OK to "kickstart" a project? No, of course not,                                               
        especially when attribution is not prominently given for such                                                      
        wholesale copying. -- Andy Schlafly, 2 April 2007                                                                                            
Todd Larason | PGP key: | UIN: 5968624                                             
Impeach the Motherfucker Already