User talk:Feredir28/The Atheist Experience debates Ray Comfort

Wow, a complete paraphrasing of a debate.--^talk 14:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

CLAWING MY FUCKING EYES OUT!!! Ha, not really, but the thickheadedness of Ray Discomfort really bothers me, because millions of other numbskulls follow their leader so blindly. How big is his following, anyway? Oh, and the Ten Commandments don't prove jack; it's just a form of argument by assertion. Also, the "gift" of salvation is clearly NOT free, because you have to give up so much to be "saved":

1. Our freedom, especially our freedom of thought. (2 Corinthians 10:5)

2. Some of our friends. (2 Corinthians 6:14)

3. Cordial relations with less-tolerant family members. (Matthew 10:37)

4. In some countries, our lives! (Matthew 10:38-39)

4a. According to the Bible, Stephen (Acts 7:58), John the Baptist (Matthew 14:10), and all of the apostles (example: James, son of Zebedee = Acts 12:2), except for John the Apostle, were gruesomely martyred.

Even if you only had to give up something as insignificant as chocolate [ready for flames from diehard chocolate-lovers!], if the gift costs ANYTHING AT ALL, then it is NOT free, by definition! Calvinism would be able to shore up that objection by making everything predestined, but then, God would have created people who from time immemorial, were to be railroaded straight into hell. Cruel bastard. CodeMaster9000 (talk) 22:34, 19 February 2012 (UTC)