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Appointed as moderator[edit]

Per RationalWiki:Moderator_elections/Results#Final_results, you have been appointed as moderator. I hope you do a good job. Obviously you will have everyone on the wiki cross-examining your every comment looking for flaws, but don't let this bring you down. Have fun! Dysklyver 13:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, and thanks to those who voted for me. I hope I'll do a good job too. That's ok, scrutiny of those in authority is important so I can live with that. You never know, I may even be able to win over some of my critics - stranger things have happened! --RWRW (talk) 15:02, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Congratulations on your win. RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:18, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Congratulations on your win too! --RWRW (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
So what are you going to do? Help me slap up the two lovers Lankaster and James Earl Cash a bit? --It's-a me, LeftyGreenMario!(Mod) 17:01, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
I’m happy to try and help out there if I can, and in any other disputes that may emerge. --RWRW (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
So this is what happens when I don't go on RW for a week. (To be fair I wasn't eligible to vote...) Anyway, all I can say is: good luck. You’ll need it. — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 03:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Aye, the next time you return from a hiatus I'll be the Wiki's Overlord :p Thanks though. I appreciate it. --RWRW (talk) 12:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
So should we all swear fealty to the Lords of RationalWiki, the Mods? Then again, I`m a Tech, so.... Maybe the Mods should be declaring us Techies Royalty, if they're the Lords. I`m glad we came up with a working arrangement, Techs are the Kings, and everyone else is a peasant.--Don Juan (talk) 13:54, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I don't know, I think I like the idea of swearing fealty to Mods better.--RWRW (talk) 14:39, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I thought everyone was supposed to swear fealty to the board? Dysklyver 14:41, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Techs are the ones who keep this site running smoothly, I vote for an oath of fealty to us almighty techs.--Don Juan (talk) 14:42, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Think you'll like this[edit]

Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 16:31, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Ha ha, I do like it. It depicts Hillary pretty accurately too. --RWRW (talk) 01:08, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Try not to be too obvious in your support.[edit]

It's a good idea to wait until you see someone's initial few edits before welcoming them. The new person could be a shitty editor even if you think you agree with them politically. Bongolian (talk) 01:14, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

The Libertarian Article[edit]

How do you feel about the article Rational Wiki has on Libertarians? Commie Lib (talk) 01:05, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

Don't go stirring shit up now. The article we have is perfectly fine. Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 01:20, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
It's unlikely that RWRW's going to do anything since he's loathe to edit mainspace articles at least for now when he knows he's in the minority. Bongolian (talk) 01:49, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
OK, I just wanted to know because they are a libertarian. Commie Lib (talk) 02:35, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
@Tabula Rasa and @Don Juan actually I don't mind the article. Its criticisms are fair, and it gives Libertarianism a fair hearing (perhaps more so than it does to Conservatism). I am unconvinced with the 'Left-libertarianism' section though. For me it seems contradictory for someone to be left-wing and libertarian and the term 'libertarian socialists' is an oxymoron.
@Bongolian will a day ever come when I'm not in the minority here? --RWRW (talk) 13:41, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
@RWRW That honestly surprises me. I guess the lesson here is "don't judge a book by its cover", eh? Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 15:45, 11 January 2019 (UTC)
I didn't find it very bad ether I just wanted to know how a libertarian felt about it. Commie Lib (talk) 17:01, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────The day will come when my suspicions are confirmed. While we're at it, why don't you give a critique of the libertarian paradise page? Bongolian (talk) 18:37, 11 January 2019 (UTC)

May I ask what suspicions you have? Sure. It contains a list of clumsy implantations of certain libertarian ideals. Unlike communism, libertarianism has never been established large-scale. If more libertarian principles were implemented in the UK (especially after Brexit when we aren't being governed by unaccountable Eurocrats) I'm convinced it would be a success. --RWRW (talk) 23:47, 13 January 2019 (UTC)
My suspicions continue to be due to the January 2018 edit of your homepage, whose history continues to be hidden. You could of course do some substantive edits of mainspace pages, which might either confirm or refute my suspicions. Bongolian (talk) 00:30, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Believe it or not, I was actually thinking of dabbling in content creation at some point. Not long ago I watched a document on Vichy France and I got quite interested in the topic. I noticed that Philippe Pétain doesn't have a RW page whilst other notorious collaborators do. --RWRW (talk) 01:29, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
OK, that would be good to see. I recently saw Marcel Ophüls' The Sorrow and the Pity,Wikipedia's W.svg which was quite good. Bongolian (talk) 03:41, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Also, you didn't respond to my question regarding libertarian paradise. Do you even read RW mainspace pages? Since you generally don't edit them, I can't tell if you even read them. Did you read my page on the famous British MP? Bongolian (talk) 17:31, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
I did make a comment on it, but admittedly I only had time to skim read it. Yeah I read mainspace pages, mainly on stuff I have interest in (e.g political or historical stuff). I haven't read much on the scientific pages because I have little knowledge or interest in it. Which MP is it? --RWRW (talk) 21:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Ignaz Trebitsch Lincoln. Bongolian (talk) 23:42, 14 January 2019 (UTC)

Huh. I have to say I had never heard of him, but he seems quite fascinating. I'm surprised I hadn't heard of him before. --RWRW (talk) 00:42, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Look in the mirror of Trebitsch and tell me who you see. If you see nothing, it's time to panic. Bongolian (talk) 00:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm sure I don't know what's being implied here... --RWRW (talk) 01:08, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm not trying to imply that you'll see yourself in Trebitsch, rather one can see aspects of his extreme behavior in other people. Bongolian (talk) 02:23, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
A liberal and a con artist. I can think of a couple of people. --RWRW (talk) 12:54, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Tony was a conniving sack of shit, but then again, if recent evidence is anything to indicate (*cough*the Mueller probe*cough*), so is Trump. Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 12:57, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Blair was sleazy as hell, but he was damn persuasive when he needed to be. He's like that salesman on Family Guy who always convinced Peter to buy his broken/useless products. --RWRW (talk) 13:09, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Did I just catch you insulting the British public by comparing them to Peter Griffin? Nice. Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 13:28, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
It was more of a complement to Blair's powers of persuasion and cunning. He was able to get re-elected after the Iraq War too, and the War was probably more unpopular in this country than it was in the US! --RWRW (talk) 13:46, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Holy shit, now that takes talent. Ɖøn Ĵuan Harass 13:47, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────If you view Trebitsch simply as a liberal because of his election as MP, you're lenses are broken. How do you explain his active participation in the Kapp Putsch and the White International? Do you think those were liberal plots? Bongolian (talk) 01:55, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Not really, it was more of a cheap dig at Blair and Clinton than something I actually believe. I view them as far-right plots like everyone else. --RWRW (talk) 02:26, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

Commons Vote[edit]

So I'm thinking May is toast, yeah? DuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 20:18, 15 January 2019 (UTC)

Certainly seems to be. Even I was surprised by the scale of the defeat, I expected it to be by around 100 votes. --RWRW (talk) 20:26, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
She was already 'toast'. no one expected her to be there after next election, but there no guarantee she will lose a no confidence vote. how sure do think tories are of their seats, and many brexiters you think want to trust it to a labour government? AMassiveGay (talk) 21:12, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
and sure do you think unionists will be of a chance to influence government as they do now the current situation? AMassiveGay (talk) 21:13, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
Worst defeat for 95 years! Toast!! Toast for sure! hashtag #NoConfidence. Dysklyver 21:40, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
The government will likely win the confidence vote (DUP/Conservative MPs voting for no confidence is like turkeys voting for Christmas). But May has utterly humiliated herself here, she’s lost any remaining authority she had. If she has dignity she’ll resign tomorrow. —RWRW (talk) 22:20, 15 January 2019 (UTC)
in the real world where your notion of dignity is meaningless piss, nothing would have changed except we move closer to a catastrophic brexit while the pricks responsible bicker over which windmill to tilt at next. AMassiveGay (talk) 18:05, 16 January 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────So RWRW, do you think people have any inalienable rights at all, or that they only have the rights that they can afford to pay for? Bongolian (talk) 05:43, 17 January 2019 (UTC)

Of course money isn't always needed for rights. For example in the UK everyone has the right to free health care, and despite the humongous cost to the Treasury, I think it is fantastic (its quite possibly the only 'socialist' thing I support). Obviously for things like the right to own private property, it is necessary for the individual to be able to pay for it. --RWRW (talk) 15:53, 17 January 2019 (UTC)
you are in the uk, yes? whats your libertarian view on the uk housing crisis, where it not abotaright to 'own' property itsa bout a right to be house at all.
and if you ar so keen on the nhs, as any right mined person should, are you not all worried that brexit is going kill it dead? it dependant on european staff, and is all ready in the midst of a staffing crisis and deliberately underfunded. do you think it any surprise that so many brexiters loathe it? AMassiveGay (talk) 01:22, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
Yeah I'm I the UK. We have a massively growing population and our infrastructure cannot keep up. Cutting immigration after Brexit would help somewhat. I advocate construction on brownfield sites. Near where I live there are office buildings that haven't been used in years, perfect for apartments! Interestingly some people actually voted to leave specifically to see house prices fall.
No, and it would be political suicide for any government to let the NHS die. And we should still encourage Europeans to work for the NHS. Despite it being a Guardian piece, I think this article has several good points on easing the financial strain on the NHS(I especially agree with points 1,2,4 and 6) --RWRW (talk) 13:59, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
infrastructure cant keep up due government policy. housing is short because of the council housing sell off in the 80s and successive governments doing fuck all to replace them. every government talks about providing more houses but they all fail to meet targets. private investment have continually dodged commitments for affordable housing. austerity leaving all services chronically underfunded.
cameron et al also directly responsible - it made the remain argument so much weaker becasue of it.
as for the nhs, they have been letting it die for years. deliberate under funding by the very architects of brexit. look the people involved with brexit - dominic raab, michael gove, rhys-moog, too name but a few - look at their views on the nhs. they are vermin. a hard brexit makes their dreams come true. we cant encourage europeans to staff the nhs when we have pointedly told them all to fuck off - and guess what, they are too. hows that going to help an already existing staffing crisis.
the article you povided (fake news? fuck off you fucking gobshite) - sticking plasters, particularly the points you single out, while the notion of competition in the nhs has been a damaging farce everywhere its been tried. its detached from reality as is your belief that brexit will be anything other than an unmitigated disaster, only this time we wont be able pin it on immigrants quite so easily.
the nhs will struggle to survive post brexit. the economy wil take a hit. we gain nothing from brexit. AMassiveGay (talk) 15:32, 18 January 2019 (UTC)
It almost doesn't matter what Mogg or Gove thinks about the NHS, neither of them will become PM. A majority of Tory MPs and the overwhelming majority of the public know the NHS is great, hard Brexit or not it will survive. Sure, I suspect the economy will take a short-term hit. The markets are always unstable and the fear whipped up by the media will likely play into this, but in the long term we will be fine. --RWRW (talk) 14:52, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────OK, since you agree that people have fundamental non-fungible rights, do you think that it's reasonable to have a simple majority vote determine whether or not people should continue to have those rights? Bongolian (talk) 00:48, 19 January 2019 (UTC)

No, I don't think fundamental rights should be given or taken by majority votes. They should (and are) set in stone. --RWRW (talk) 14:52, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
That's great to hear, but you did vote to remove fundamental human rights from your fellow citizens when you voted for Brexit.[1][2] There is no guarantee that those rights will ever be restored if the UK does go through with Brexit. Bongolian (talk) 18:51, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm no legal expert, but the points in the EU Charter all already exist in UK law (and did so long before the Charter was signed). It makes perfect sense to sever ourselves from EU laws wherever possible and, as one of the oldest Parliamentary democracies, rely on our own sovereign laws. --RWRW (talk) 19:31, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
I'm no expert on UK politics, but that doesn't seem to be the consensus view. You're actually the first person I've heard to express that view. I heard a BBC radio panel presentation on Brexit recently, and one of the members indicated that Brexit would eliminate human rights and no one disputed that. What do you think, @AMassiveGay? Bongolian (talk) 19:38, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
The people opposing it are mainly Labour or Lib Dem and they will try and to discredit Brexit in any way possible. The Charter was signed in 2000, its nonsense to believe we had no rights before this. --RWRW (talk) 19:52, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
my god you are just delusional. look again at the people pushing brexit - they make no secret of the utter contempt they have for british people, they make no secret of the wish to see all kinds of rights removed. does it not occur to you thats the end game for these fuckwits? a tanking economy will make it so much easier for them to fuck us, and they wont have to worry about pesky eu regulation. that ignores the fact that so many workers rights are a direct result of eu regulation - covering working hour limits, equal pay, maternity rights, parental leave, anti discrimination, protections for agency workers, a whole raft of health and safety directives. and then is the safeguarding of rights already in british law. we know many of these rights are unpopular with business - how long do you think many of these will last?
for human rights in general - in 1998 the human rights act came in to implement rights found in the european convention on human rights, and since it came in, conservatives have been continually trying whittle away said rights. the charter for fundamental human rights effectively safeguarded it, while providing rights that werent included such as rights pf a child and rights of non discrimination. say goodbye to that charter and say hello to further assualts on human rights.
you offer zero evidence of us not being fucked over by brexit and do no more than hand wave away criticism along party lines. its like you have no fucking clue as to what is actually happening. show me a bexit deal that is both possible and not fucking awful, show me trade agreements that will be made where we arent in a position of weakness and desperation. show me how the nhs won't die a death. show me a future where scotland doesnt leave or northern ireland doesnt turn to shit. i mean, are not at all concerned about the break up of our country?
until you can do any of that without vagaries and wishful thinking, you are nowt but a joke - an unfunny one considering the awful shit at stake AMassiveGay (talk) 22:22, 19 January 2019 (UTC)
Of course only time will tell who is right, but I am convinced that Brexit will be a success. We are one of the richest and most powerful countries in the world so the idea that we need to be joined at the hip to the European continent to survive is ridicules. In the past I have spoken against a 'no-deal' Brexit, but given the mess that the squabbling children politicians have made I can't see any deal that honours the referendum being passed through Parliament. Now, if given the choice between 'no-deal Brexit' or 'no Brexit at all' I would 100% pick no deal.
Outside of the Single Market we would be able to massively expand our trading opportunities under the WTO. Plenty of countries have signalled they want to form new trade deals with the UK - USA, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, India, and Canada to name a few. Talks with USA, New Zealand and Australia began a year ago. Not to mention that trade will still continue with the EU. We are a massive consumer of their products and they export more to the UK than we export to them. The EU would be shooting themselves in the foot if they tried imposing heavy trade restrictions on the UK.
I'm no too concerned about Scotland at the moment. They had their referendum, and the separatists lost. A majority of Scots still support staying in the UK. Just like I oppose a second EU referendum, I oppose a second Scottish Independence referendum. The SNP should accept democracy and move on. Now, I am of course concerned about the situation in Northern Ireland. In my eyes the most important thing in regards to Ireland is to keep the border as open as possible. --RWRW (talk) 15:24, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Useful idiot, but for whom? British ruling class with Swiss bank accounts or Putin's mafia? Do you have a Swiss bank account, RWRW, or are you invested in cryptocurrencies? Bongolian (talk) 19:08, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Ha! I don’t, but think if taxes were lower we’d see a lot less people with Swiss accounts. To be honest I don’t know anything about cryptocurrencies. I’ve never used bitcoin before and I don’t really know how it works. —RWRW (talk) 19:40, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
its good to know you will be just as fuckeed as the rest of us.
have you asked yourself why prominent brexiters are all objectively and unashamedly utter cunts? it doesnt set off any warning signs in your head? they dont seem quite as convinced as you are with your unsubstantiated wishful thinking. you are a good dog, yes you are, good boy - keep up trotting out the party line AMassiveGay (talk) 19:09, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
Fuck a duck. It sounds like Rees-Mogg is compromised or a Russian agent. Bongolian (talk) 21:16, 22 January 2019 (UTC)
its so fucking infuriating. not one person involved with brexit - on either side - is not an almighty gobshite. the tories on both sides were so heavily involved with austerity policies, a key factor on the leave campaign imho, that cameron couldnt argue thats the cause of folks discontent without implicating themselves, while brexiters happily used it to stoke anti-immigrant sentiment and with a good measure of empty promises (read: lies), the lib dems were in bed with the tories on austerity so could say fuck all, all the while the one person who could have swayed it, corbyn (those voting leave were often traditional labour supporters) was a picture of indifference and spinelessness in the name of party politics, all the while celebs lectured everyone from a position of being unaffected in any way whatsoever (effectively calling folk racist for being concerned about a lack of school places and housing, while never having to worry about such things themselves). brinksmanship and party politics got here and brinksmanship and party politics continues to make any chance of making a go of it a pipe dream. everyone involved has and still is behaved appallingly and continue to treat the british public - however they voted - with utter contempt. i have nothing but disgust for everyone involved, and that goes for anyone willingly stooging for this vermin. AMassiveGay (talk) 22:45, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Creating voter apathy is a strategy of the ruling class minority to stay in power.[3] Bongolian (talk) 02:13, 23 January 2019 (UTC)