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I consider your political views quite curious, most Trump supporters I meet are either idiots or pricks, and the two aren't mutually exclusive, and yet you are quite civil, not at all brash or rude, and seem like someone I'd like to have a beer with if we ever met in person, and discuss our views on politics. Then again stereotypes are (mostly) false for a reason, because you can't generalize people. Why do you support Trump, specifically? Me, I can't stand him. I think he's ruining our country (well, you're British, I`m not, so maybe my country), he's ruined our international reputation, disregarded our allies, is tanking our economy and may have sealed civilization's fate with his ignoring of climate change. Not to mention his undermining of American democracy, sleazy personality, horrible business acumen etc etc etc. But what makes him appeal to you? I would be interested to find out. Respectfully, Palaeonictis.--Palaeonictis (talk) 14:10, 23 September 2018 (UTC)

That’s an interesting question, @Palaeonictis, and I’ll happily answer it. Firstly, I think it is important to note that I haven’t always been keen on Trump. Like most people I didn’t take his candidacy very seriously and thought of him as a bit of a joke candidate. Even after he won his Party’s nomination I was still sceptical and its possible that I would have voted for Gary Johnson if I was a US citizen. Despite this, I have come to like him and I hope he is re-elected in 2020. There are quite a few reasons for this. There are the obvious conservative reasons for supporting him (lowering taxes, less business regulations, strong boarders and so on). I would also disagree that he is ruining your countries international reputation. I thought it was pretty admirable the way he stood up to NATO members who weren’t paying their fair share. I also like how unorthodox and anti-establishment he is. Unlike most politicians he isn’t in the pockets of big businesses and donors.
I wrote an essay detailing some of my reasons for supporting him. It was poorly received by some of the other users here but I stand by what I wrote.
As I’ve said before I don’t worship him and I acknowledge he has his flaws. His use of Twitter to insult people is questionable and I don’t believe him when he says he’s a Christian. I also believe in climate change so I agree that his response to it is regrettable (but that isn’t really just a Trump problem, it’s a problem with conservatives in general).
As you said I do try to be civil. Most of my friends are either left-wingers or they don’t care about politics at all. One of my best friends is a Jeremy Corbyn loving, anti-monarchist, socialist – with a fondness for mocking Christianity. He stands for pretty much everything I oppose!
Sorry about the wall of text reply but I hope that answers your questions. --RWRW (talk) 15:38, 23 September 2018 (UTC)
They absolutely are an idiot, pretty consistently though. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:58, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Oh well. At least I'm consistent. --RWRW (talk) 23:36, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
Consistently supporting fascistic tendencies is not a positive trait, RWRW. What you wrote in your essay is fallacious, and reminiscent of the fallacious argument that Mussolini made the trains run on time, one that I've heard from one of my in-laws no less. Arugmentum ad Mussolini, it goes like this: Mussolini convinced me (rightly or wrongly) that he saved me a buck or saved me 5 minutes, therefore every crime that Mussolini committed doesn't matter. Alternately, it is a form of privilege, privus lex, that rich or powerful people should not be punished for crimes unless it affects other rich or powerful people.
  • In the case of Mussolini, he did not make the trains run on time.[1] Sane people only remember him for his criminality: Libyan genocide, war of aggression against Ethiopia, enacting racial laws against Italy's Jewish population.
  • In the case of Trump, among his many other crimes, he ordered the commission of crimes against humanity.[2]. That is what sane people will remember him for,[3] not his false claims that he saved Joe Sixpack a buck (when he actually saved the members of the oligarchy a small fortune each).
Bongolian (talk) 02:39, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
I certainly haven't supported any fascistic tendencies. Like many people, members of my family joined the fight against Hitler and fascism. And like many, not all of them came home. I wouldn't dream of dishonouring my family and supporting the thing they fought against.
Now I am happy to admit Trump's handling of the family separations was sloppy. It should never have happened. I don't blindly follow everything Trump says, and I think Trump himself regrets what happened. Even still it wasn't a crime against humanity. --RWRW (talk) 10:05, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
1) You're being myopic with regard to Trump by ignoring his love of dictators and his own strong dictatorial tendencies. 2) At best, you would be nitpicking about whether Trump's child separation policy was a crime against humanity, at worst you're turning a blind eye to the immoral criminality of the Trump administration.[4][5] Fascism didn't end with WWII. Bongolian (talk) 20:02, 10 October 2018 (UTC)
I don't think he loves dictators, he just recognises the world is safer if he maintains a working relationship with them. These dictators aren't going away any time soon so its better to have a working relationship with them rather than risk starting war. Obama and all other Western leaders recognise this. And just because the liberal New York Times called Trump a fascist, it doesn't mean he actually is one. --RWRW (talk) 17:24, 11 October 2018 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Does the word appeasement sound familiar to you? "To an ethically challenged businessman, that may be nothing but common sense. To a patriot, the argument is self-evidently misbegotten. If the United States is willing to sacrifice its moral standing for $110 billion (most of which will never materialize, but never mind that), why should any nation ever look to it for leadership?"[6][7] Bongolian (talk) 19:52, 13 October 2018 (UTC)

I don't have any love for Saudi Arabia. They are the true perpetrators of crimes against humanity, not Trump. But the responses in the article (weirdly I could only open the first link, the second one wouldn't open) makes a valid point. If the US turns away from Saudi Arabia, it will simply turn to Russia. --RWRW (talk) 13:22, 14 October 2018 (UTC)
This link might work for the second one.[8] If not, you can try the Brookings Institution,[9] for a similar analysis. The Saudi arms sales are essentially fake, since there's been no arms agreement after many month. The "deals" were designed by the Saudis to deceive someone that they knew was an avid consumer of fake news. Thanks for confirming where your moral position is. Bongolian (talk) 15:40, 16 October 2018 (UTC)
Deals with countries like Saudi Arabia are always going to be controversial and I have never been completely easy with it. For example I think Trump is completely wrong to try and distance them from Khashoggi's disappearance. In an ideal world, Saudi Arabia would be a flourishing democracy like my country and yours. But it isn't an ideal world. I think your being slightly melodramatic by saying that this confirms my moral position (which I assume you meant in a negative way). --RWRW (talk) 01:14, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

The European Union[edit]

As you say you will write an essay on the topic

It is 60+ years old, was created to suit 6 members (and possibly Andorra, Monaco and San Marino), in the post-WWII Cold War world where there were still colonial empires - exemplified by the Hungary Uprising and the Suez Crisis and with the possibility of food shortages etc. With a large increase in members and the end of both the Cold War and conventional Empires it needs to be taken apart, rearranged completely and put back together again, keeping the practical aspects (so eg pharmaceuticals are the same wherever you buy them).

Thoughts on this viewpoint? Anna Livia (talk) 16:10, 17 October 2018 (UTC)

I think you're right about the formation on the EU. In many ways I think the European Community started out with great intentions and voting to join it in 1975 may have been the right thing to do at the time. The problem is what the EU has become. The original founders of the EU would probably be horrified if they could see it in its present state. But the thing is the viewpoint of completely rearranging the EU will never happen, the unelected bureaucrats love their power so much and would never allow things to change. --RWRW (talk) 19:40, 17 October 2018 (UTC)


So, what are your thoughts on the whole "no personal attacks" / "civility rule" thing? RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:00, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

I don't like the idea of blocking people for being rude to other users. If somebody says something rude then its normally best to try and ignore it (the insults normally speak more about the person saying them rather than the person receiving them). However, if somebody created an account purely to insult and harass other users then I'd support blocking. --RWRW (talk) 17:10, 3 November 2018 (UTC)

Your Old Party[edit]

I'm sorry about when I tried to overthrow your party a few months ago. Just thought you should know that. RoninMacbeth (talk) 05:54, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Your treachery hasn't been forgotten No matter, all's fair in love and politics. --RWRW (talk) 11:39, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
I recommend we send @RoninMacbeth to the gallows for treason, if the totally-not-plotting-to-stab-you-in-the-back advisor can be trusted.--Don Juan (talk) 13:57, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Appointed as moderator[edit]

Per RationalWiki:Moderator_elections/Results#Final_results, you have been appointed as moderator. I hope you do a good job. Obviously you will have everyone on the wiki cross-examining your every comment looking for flaws, but don't let this bring you down. Have fun! ^_^ This message is approved by Dysklyver Gears.png Ensign of the Duke of Cornwall.svg (brebmyn) 13:09, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you, and thanks to those who voted for me. I hope I'll do a good job too. That's ok, scrutiny of those in authority is important so I can live with that. You never know, I may even be able to win over some of my critics - stranger things have happened! --RWRW (talk) 15:02, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Congratulations on your win. RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:18, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Thank you. Congratulations on your win too! --RWRW (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
So what are you going to do? Help me slap up the two lovers Lankaster and James Earl Cash a bit? --It's-a me, 🎄LeftyGreenMario!🎄(Mod) 17:01, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
I’m happy to try and help out there if I can, and in any other disputes that may emerge. --RWRW (talk) 17:22, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
So this is what happens when I don't go on RW for a week. (To be fair I wasn't eligible to vote...) Anyway, all I can say is: good luck. You’ll need it. — pythoncoder  (talk | contribs) 03:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Aye, the next time you return from a hiatus I'll be the Wiki's Overlord :p Thanks though. I appreciate it. --RWRW (talk) 12:30, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
So should we all swear fealty to the Lords of RationalWiki, the Mods? Then again, I`m a Tech, so.... Maybe the Mods should be declaring us Techies Royalty, if they're the Lords. I`m glad we came up with a working arrangement, Techs are the Kings, and everyone else is a peasant.--Don Juan (talk) 13:54, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I don't know, I think I like the idea of swearing fealty to Mods better.--RWRW (talk) 14:39, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
I thought everyone was supposed to swear fealty to the board? ^_^ This message is approved by Dysklyver Gears.png Ensign of the Duke of Cornwall.svg (brebmyn) 14:41, 2 December 2018 (UTC)
Techs are the ones who keep this site running smoothly, I vote for an oath of fealty to us almighty techs.--Don Juan (talk) 14:42, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Think you'll like this[edit]

Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 16:31, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
Ha ha, I do like it. It depicts Hillary pretty accurately too. --RWRW (talk) 01:08, 11 December 2018 (UTC)