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Category talk:People who claim that they agree with John McCain on many issues

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Barack Obama quotes from the first 2008 Presidential debate (compiled by commentator Byron York):

“I think Senator McCain’s absolutely right that we need more responsibility…”

“Senator McCain is absolutely right that the earmarks process has been abused…”

“He’s also right that oftentimes lobbyists and special interests are the ones that are introducing these…requests…”

“John mentioned the fact that business taxes on paper are high in this country, and he’s absolutely right…”

“John is right we have to make cuts…”

“Senator McCain is absolutely right that the violence has been reduced as a consequence of the extraordinary sacrifice of our troops and our military families…”

“John — you’re absolutely right that presidents have to be prudent in what they say…”

“Senator McCain is absolutely right, we cannot tolerate a nuclear Iran…”

Francine, Obama agreed with McCain on abstract principles, like "freedom is good." It doesn't mean anything more, so don't pretend that it does.-caius (tailor) 22:23, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
"We need more responsibility" and "presidents must be prudent" are abstract principles, granted, but earmark abuse, lobbyist-blame, business taxes, tax cuts, a the Surge in Iraq are specific issues. Francine 22:49, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
Where did Obama agree with the surge? And wrong again on tax cuts and all those other things. Obama has built his campaign on opposing lobbyists, and his plan cuts taxes for more Americans. The point is the parts that aren't abstractx principles are valence issues: things everyone agrees with (winnings wars is good!).-caius (tailor) 22:52, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
He acknowledged that the Surge worked, but he didn't agree to authorize it. Francine 22:54, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
He said it made it suck less. Since when is that working? If I have 5 cookies, take away four, then give back one, is that victory? --US-O11 insignia.svg Gen. S.T. Shrink GET TO THA CHOPPER 22:56, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
The Surge urged by McCain and Bush never promised an Iraq rose garden, all it did was promise to make things suck less so the three factions could maybe hammer out a deal. And Obama says McCain is "absolutely right" that the efforts of the troops (and the families who support them when they are away in the Sandbox) reduced the violence, and not by just a fractional bit, but so significantly that Iraq isn't even an issue in this campaign. Who would have thought that in 2007? Francine 23:29, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

Francine, you're using the creationists' favorite tactic: quote mining. Here's the full quote:

They have done a brilliant job, and General Petraeus has done a brilliant job. But understand, that was a tactic designed to contain the damage of the previous four years of mismanagement of this war.
And so John likes -- John, you like to pretend like the war started in 2007. You talk about the surge. The war started in 2003, and at the time when the war started, you said it was going to be quick and easy. You said we knew where the weapons of mass destruction were. You were wrong.
You said that we were going to be greeted as liberators. You were wrong. You said that there was no history of violence between Shiite and Sunni. And you were wrong. And so my question is of judgment, of whether or not -- of whether or not -- if the question is who is best-equipped as the next president to make good decisions about how we use our military, how we make sure that we are prepared and ready for the next conflict, then I think we can take a look at our judgment.

He agrees, but he notes that it doesn't make up for the rest of the failures, and that's the point. McCain supported a war that he never should have; the execution of it at the beginning was all wrong, and that McCain figured out how to put a bandaid on it doesn't excuse him for messing up the whole damn thing in the first place. Nor do we know for sure that the Step Two of the surge is going to work. In fact, McCain doesn't want to let it. Now that violence is down, Iraq wants us out. Obama wants to do what they want to accomplish Step Two; McCain won't let go. Who's right there?-caius (tailor) 23:48, 3 October 2008 (EDT)


Why do we have this? --Arcan ¡ollǝɥ 22:27, 3 October 2008 (EDT)

I'm thinkin we should nuke it.-caius (tailor)
'Cuz it's kinda funny and people need to be able to laugh at these turkeys? PFoster 22:35, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
Agreed. Why do we have an article on Sarah Palin? Secret Squirrel 22:53, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
For the lulz. Remember those? Some people key the car with the McCalin bumper sticker, other people just laugh. And without laughter there would be no Tao. Francine 22:56, 3 October 2008 (EDT)
The Palin article, luckily, will be non-notable in a matter of 35 days :)-caius (tailor) 23:18, 3 October 2008 (EDT)