Essay talk:Debating the Guitarist: The Reflections of a Post-Dawkinsian Skeptic

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Second Response to Ronin[edit]

I think it's somewhat stupid to claim that the skeptics and SJWs could ever walk in walk towards "destroying religion". They are too dogmatic, not very rational (which skeptics claim to be) and generally not very nice people(that last part is highly subjective). You might ask why I'm characterizing social justice movements as "SJWs", but the truth is that the majority of these movements are populated by them. These SJWs (ignoring how foolish they are) have highly effective tactics and they seem to be social movements given any time of day. The skeptic movement(by their very name) are skeptical of anything and everything. Skeptics really hate getting pinned down in any ideology. (which social justice movements are full of). Also skeptics really do need to work on the bad habit of pwning newbs. (I swear to god if I get called a troll.) — Unsigned, by: 2601:CA:8200:34A:5C61:FDEF:BD49:C265 / talk Also, I believe skeptics criticize religion more broadly while A). it's abrahamic religions that do all the bad stuff and B). you only really criticize the abrahamic religions in the first place so my comment is slight redundant.

I disagree. For starters, I fundamentally disagree with your assertion that "SJWs" are inherently irrational. Second, the "skeptic movement" is not inherently skeptical of any and everything, as was discussed in Ikanreed's original post in the Saloon Bar. Thirdly, the main reason that skeptics in the West criticize Abrahamic religions is because the West exists in a paradigm where the dominant religions are Abrahamic. Skeptics, like most people, have limited time to confront religion and irrationality, and as such they focus on the religions that are most directly relevant to them and their societies. Why do you think no one debates Zoroastrian priests, or Asatru godar? Because neither Zoroastrianism or Asatru is dominant enough in the West to merit rebuttal from skeptics. RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:41, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Why do you disagree with the fact the SJWs are irrational. Many support both islam and womens' rights, have some socialist tendencies(or god forbid, ancom ones). They are loath to debate or even consider opposing view points, and they barely have actual worldviews. also, don't knock odinism. I personally am an odinist. I think it(the decline) also has something to do with the fact that no one takes fundamentalist types seriously (except maybe the muslims). The jews are too busy ruling the world(this is a bloody joke), and christians are ignoring their biblical principles to appeal to a wider audience while ignoring the fact that the death of their religion is inevitable. Islam has the largest amount of weirdos (in my fucking opinion of course)— Unsigned, by: 2601:ca:8200:34a:5c61:fdef:bd49:c265 / talk / contribs

What a coincidence. I, too, consider myself a Heathen in some sense (syncretic with humanism, it's complicated). I'm one of the last people here who is going to "knock" Heathenism, but you can't deny that most people aren't Heathens. And they don't "support Islam," they support the rights of Muslims to live and practice their beliefs (or at least, their beliefs that are somewhat compatible with liberal values) in peace. As for the rest, well, I really don't know what to make of it. You make an anti-Semitic joke then proceed to talk about the decline of Christianity and how Muslims have "more weirdos." RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:16, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
I'm just giving you suggestions for who to make fun of now that Christianity is about as dead as my grandma is sexually active. 2601:CA:8200:34A:584B:FBF:AA97:3B47 (talk) 15:03, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Ah yes, "dead" that term meaning "believed by 1 out of every 3 people on the planet". Good word, that. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:07, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
They water down their religion, refuse to adhere to any basic christian ethics(The "god loves you just the way you are), and half the priests are pedophiles. Also many refuse to condemn homosexuality, pre-marital sex, and sleeping around. (Despite all of them being strictly forbidden). Their religion is dead and their god is face palming. 2601:CA:8200:34A:584B:FBF:AA97:3B47 (talk) 15:42, 22 March 2019 (UTC)