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ReligiousNutCar.jpg I'd really rather you revert any dickwads creating useless space on my talk page. Thanks.

Nominated for RMF board[edit]

You've been nominated to the RationalMedia Foundation election. Please accept or decline here; if you accept, you may wish to campaign. Sir ℱ℧ℤℤϒℂᗩℑᑭƠℑᗩℑƠ (talk/stalk) 07:04, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for the nomination. I'll need some time to think it over. RoninMacbeth (talk) 07:05, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
Trust me. Being a board member is neither difficult nor time consuming. Spud (talk) 08:56, 11 August 2018 (UTC)

"Post Board Minutes on the Saloon or Other Visible Page"[edit]

I have a plan to write up a fancy new site for the RMF, after all this crap I have to take care of in the present is finally resolved. Whether that will make the site used more is still up to the actual board members writing stuff, but who knows. I am definitely interested in helping the RMF move away from being constrained to wiki software and implementing some other tools. —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 23:18, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

That's all well and good, but even after that I hope posting minutes here will be a good idea. Until we get other online communities together, the Wiki will be where all voters and members come from. I do like the idea of another site, though. What would we write about there? RoninMacbeth (talk) 23:32, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
Apologies if I was unclear, I meant giving the existing site a complete makeover (WordPress? yuck). If done properly, the wiki could possibly pull updates from there. I think integrating things together would be really good; in the end it would be nice if someone could have a single user account which lets them do actual wiki stuff here, do WIGOs with a non-wiki interface elsewhere, etc. and have all this stuff collected on one site. —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 23:42, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
  • clicks on link* Fuck, that's old. I also did wonder if we should expand content a bit. I mean, RussianalWiki is dead, EvoWiki is gone, the blogs are Odin knows where, and we'll, that leaves RationalWiki. That's it. I was kind of tossing an idea around. Maybe (please don't laugh)... RatCast? A Rational Podcast? RoninMacbeth (talk) 23:49, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
It appears our intentions align nicely :) Not surprised you weren't aware of the site, perhaps with a redo it would be worth promoting more. Podcast could use a different name, but if there are people willing to do it (and enough content to justify it) then it's a fine idea. A good example of content that, despite being possible, does not suit the wiki format. —Kazitor Kazitor sig pic.png 23:57, 15 August 2018 (UTC)

Nobody fucking cares do they?[edit]

Maybe I should start vandalizing or something? Sardine (talk) 17:54, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

Maybe you shouldn't say those things. See, I once heard that some users on this site do have checkuser, unbeknownst to anyone else. So, you know. RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:57, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
'Do not mess with dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.' (talk) 23:25, 19 August 2018 (UTC)
How very true. RoninMacbeth (talk) 23:56, 19 August 2018 (UTC)


Not to get in some stupid edit-war with you, but I think my last edit was justified. However, if you feel that strongly, I won't revert. Thanks. - Notaliberalnosrs (talk) 18:23, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Alright. I don't feel strongly, but why do you feel your edit was justified? RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:28, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
If in the unlikely event some dude named Moses lived in Ancient Egypt then he probably would have lived by their laws which would have prohibited murder. That's my feeling anyhow. - Notaliberalnosrs (talk) 23:57, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
@Notaliberalnosrs Murder is sort of a universal no-no, in that it doesn't really change between cultures all that much. In addition the comment is in response to several forms of Biblical literalism, which claim that murder is wrong because God says so in the Ten Commandments (Except it doesn't actually say that, but then again Fundies aren't really known for their reading skills), and that morality can only come from God. (Why is it always God with the big G? Why not god with a little g, or Cthulhu?) ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:03, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Actually kinda my point. I believe the original comment had to do with no 10 commandments. You just actually filled in the blanks there lol. - Notaliberalnosrs (talk) 00:45, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
@Notaliberalnosrs"I believe the original comment had to do with no 10 commandments." Are trying to say that the original comment didn't involve referencing "the Ten Commandments"? Or that it did but it referenced the specific Ten? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:59, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm not 100% what we're fighting about at this point lol. If my opinion on some 2,500 thousand year old book was wrong, I'm going to touch gloves and tap out ;) - Notaliberalnosrs (talk) 04:43, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure murder would've been a clear no-no since the days of Cain and Abel. That God handed out 10 commandments at one point doesn't mean everything before that point was a blank slate. (talk) 19:40, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Being less confrontational(cont)[edit]

Maybe. My experience says no. That if you start giving benefit of the doubt once intellectual dishonesty rears its head, you get dragged into a mire of weeds where you find yourself arguing a pedantic counterpoint on a minor supporting point on your tenth reply to the person. And your main point has still not been addressed along the way. And if you go "Can you please address -the main point-" you get a pedantic argument about some sentence you say in that post. It's an experience I've replicated enough that feel cutting through the bullshit and making it an actual fight goes better. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:21, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

That's a nice summary of most Internet arguments. (talk) 19:24, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
@Ikanreed Which raises another question; what exactly is the main point of yours and Nerd's argument, and how is he being intellectually dishonest about it? RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:25, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
Which argument? The one where they hat-muted people who said John McCain is someone we're better off without because it was offensive, then immediately accused me of not tolerating anything offensive? The one where they edit warred John McCain's article without discussing any of it on the talk page? The one where they edit warred the misandry article to make it seem like feminists want to kill all men, and only engaged in the talk page where they only talked about my tone in rejecting the dumbass change? I dunno, there's more and more. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 14:38, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
The second one. RoninMacbeth (talk) 14:40, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
I mean honestly, I just looked at the diff of changes they had made since he died, and just saw sourced statement after sourced statement burning up into the aether. And I guess also a bit of snark being converted to dry prose, but mostly the first thing. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 14:47, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
I'll run a comparison of how many sources your version had vs. how many Nerd's version has, just to give the mob a better idea of what the fuck is going on. RoninMacbeth (talk) 15:12, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
It's not really "my" version, as I've contributed nothing to it. But I guess I own it now. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 15:44, 28 August 2018 (UTC)
For the record, it looks like you have four more references than Nerd's version. RoninMacbeth (talk) 15:51, 28 August 2018 (UTC)


You've been nominated in the upcoming moderator elections. See the nomination at RationalWiki:Moderator elections/Nominations.--RWRW (talk) 03:34, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Thank you very much, but I'll wait until I get my midterms back before making my decision. RoninMacbeth (talk) 04:27, 2 November 2018 (UTC)

Thanks for endorsing me![edit]

Thank you for your endorsement! You have upgraded to Diamond level Sysop™ Th hug.gif-ᎠᎥamᎧndᎠᎥᎦᏣ1(talk) 01:43, 8 November 2018 (UTC)

Diamond level? Awesome! Do I get to enter the mothership now? RoninMacbeth (talk) 03:13, 8 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes, if you get to be mod.-ᎠᎥamᎧndᎠᎥᎦᏣ1(talk) 01:05, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Coop cage[edit]

"If you want us to take action about JEC, then you should take this to the Coop cage proper" Sorry, but I don't understand what you mean. Did I post on the wrong page? -Lankaster (talk) 17:29, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

It's a little weird. For Coop cases, you post on RationalWiki:Chicken coop, not RationalWiki talk:Chicken coop. Yeah, it's confusing, don't question it. RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:38, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Perhaps giving the page a joke name wasn't such a great idea after all... Avida Dollarsher again 17:41, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
No, the bad idea was more the inconsistency with disciplinary project pages. I suspect that Lankaster's confusion arises from the fact that ATIM uses the talkpage for discussion, while the Coop uses the Project page.
Also, is that you Sophie? RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:44, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Sophie left and never came back, so it couldn't possibly be :) Avida Dollarsher again 18:58, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Ah, I see. Well, welcome aboard, not-Sophie. :) RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:00, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, it's lovely to see you, er, for the first time ever. Avida Dollarsher again 19:32, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Je suis enchante de faire votre connaissance. RoninMacbeth (talk) 20:40, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
Got it, thanks, I moved it. -Lankaster (talk) 17:53, 14 November 2018 (UTC)
No problem. RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:57, 14 November 2018 (UTC)

Look, ariel wants to not see "blue language"[edit]

It's for his own good, Ronin.

He needs to be spared seeing "fucking" on talk pages. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:17, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

No, he doesn't. If Ariel wants to be prudish, let him. RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:23, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
What? No. He needs to be protected. He's too delicate and precious to continue be on this wiki. It's not safe for him. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:27, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Do you really believe that? RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Since we seem to be teetering on the edge of parody: no, not at all. I'm just sick of his bullshit. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:31, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
That's what I thought. Think of it like this: is it possible that blocking him will make anything better? Or is it just anger at what you see as intransigence with no way to solve it? RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:35, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
I mean, honestly, it was a "fun" way to solve an insincere complaint. But the second block was anger at that absolute fucker calling any other person in the history of the world a sophist. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 18:40, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Would you mind explaining to me what it is, exactly, you two are arguing about on Laci Green? Before I just write it off as yet another theater in the Grand Ariel vs. Ikanreed Pissing Contest? I'd really rather solve the problem, if it would just get the two of you to stop for even a second. RoninMacbeth (talk) 18:42, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Contentwise, it was literally just the word "some" to make "dislikes liberals" into "dislikes some liberals". He wanted to add pointless ambiguity. I supplied the citation in the talk page to show that "dislikes liberals" is a position she's explicitly 100% backed, with one of her many alt-right buddies. The rest of it was him arguing about arguing. And general shittiness. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:04, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
...Wow. Here I was expecting something like the Linda Sarsour thing between Lankaster and James. But this... I mean, on the one hand, I'm inclined to agree with you on the content for now. But on the You and Ariel have REALLY lost perspective on this.
Still waiting for Ariel to state his case, BTW. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:11, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

RoninMacbeth: My comments of today are meant to respond to the discourteous and overblown criticism of ikanreed. I don't care that much about the fucking edit. It was his hostility I was reponding to. Were I to complain about blue language it would refer only to ikanreed's attacks on newer users. I don't give a fuck what he says about me. I am telling him what I really think of him because he seems to want to know: when it comes to ethics, he is a fucking ethical nightmare. He doesn't have to apologize to me for any rotten, fucking nasty shit he has spouted. To get along with me, he just has to stop being a total asshole to new users. That being said, and since I support you as a moderator, I will consider your recommendations. Ariel31459 (talk) 19:22, 15 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, thank you. RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:30, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
But also making shit up. You can look at my interactions with new users. This is a pretty verifiable falsehood. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 19:40, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
If that is so, then we don't have a problem, you idiot.Ariel31459 (talk) 19:49, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
Yes, of course, "we" don't have a problem with you making shit up. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 17:28, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
If that's so, why complain? You idiot?Ariel31459 (talk) 15:43, 17 November 2018 (UTC)


I saw you started the vote for your proposal ignoring the issue I raise about it. Could you please take it under your consideration? -Lankaster (talk) 15:23, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Well, for starters, the whole point of this is that JEC can't just revert without a really, REALLY good reason. If he does, further steps will be taken against him.
Second, I don't know what else you want us to do. I'm trying to curb his tendencies to edit war with this proposal, and I did not see any alternative you propose. If you think the current proposal is ineffective, then please make a proposal of your own. RoninMacbeth (talk) 15:33, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
"the whole point of this is that JEC can't just revert without a really, REALLY good reason. If he does, further steps will be taken against him." Good, then I think it's the right solution. I didn't understand you meant it. Could you just make it explicit? Maybe writing it just after the subsection "RoninMacbeth's Proposal"? -Lankaster (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, sure. RoninMacbeth (talk) 15:53, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I saw that you only copied what you had already written. Still, I meant making explicit the part about reversion, because I'm afraid that a reversion per se would not be considered edit warring, and so it would not be under the umbrella of your proposal. Of course you don't have to make it personal to James, same rules apply to me. Can you add something like: "In particular, nobody can't just revert without a really, REALLY good reason. If he does, further steps will be taken against him"? -Lankaster (talk) 16:20, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Let me get to a computer. I've been editing mobile. RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:22, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
Actually, isn't it kind of already specific? The edit-warring part already basically covers your objections. Or is there something else? RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:39, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
"Actually, isn't it kind of already specific?" If one user makes an edit, then a second user makes a reversion, is that edit warring? I think many would say "no". They would say it's edit warring if the first user then revert the reversion. For this reason I wanted to make explicit that also reversions must be justified... -Lankaster (talk) 17:00, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I think this should do well as a definition. RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:02, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
I read and I still think that without making explicit that reversion must be done with good reasons there is no improvement, actually it can make things worse for me: I make an edit, James reverts it with a motivation like "XYZ of all people", I cannot revert the reversion (otherwise I will be accused of edit warring) and I have to call moderators to get and approval of my edit. James gets no sanction (he was not edit warring) and he made editing more difficult. I think only adding something like: "In particular, nobody can't just revert without a really, REALLY good reason. If he does, further steps will be taken against him" will solve this situation. -Lankaster (talk) 17:12, 16 November 2018 (UTC)
If that happens, I will interfere. RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:21, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Mod request[edit]

Earlier in the election cycle you urged me to accept a nomination in my name, I requested edits that prove I'm Mod material twice. Would you please elaborate? I ask because I wish to understand what led you toward your conclusion. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 19:52, 17 November 2018 (UTC)

To a large degree, it was based off the relative lack of other candidates at the time. But I also genuinely believe you are better at resolving issues than you give yourself credit for. RoninMacbeth (talk) 23:48, 17 November 2018 (UTC)


Unfortunately, as you can see, James doesn't want to come to any kind of agreement. I want also to point out that, as an evidence of his hostility, he just came to the talk page of Rationalization only to be against me, without giving any constructive contribute (I'm not going to answer to him on Rationalization, to avoid further discussions). I'm afraid that I'm bothering you, coming again on this problem, but I sincerely don't see a way in which I can continue to write on RW if this situation is not settled down and he keeps attacking me. -Lankaster (talk) 09:12, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

You won the coop case and I haven't edit warred with you since then. What exactly is your problem? I'm not playing into whatever game you started on Spud's talk page to try and make me look like an asshole when the change I made on the Farage page was approved, and I'm not going to mince words with you either about a change you proposed on the rationalization page when you gave no reason for it. James Earl Cash (talk) 21:26, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Appointed as moderator[edit]

Per RationalWiki:Moderator_elections/Results#Final_results, you have been appointed as moderator. Have fun! — Dysk (contribs) 13:07, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

I would like to offer my deepest sympathies for your recent demotion. If there is anything I can do to help obviate any future difficulties, please do not hesitate to ask. All the best.Ariel31459 (talk) 14:51, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

You get to enter the mothership now![edit]

Congratulations! Th hug.gif -ᎠᎥamᎧndᎠᎥᎦᏣ1(talk) 22:19, 1 December 2018 (UTC)

I'm just sad that it's not with my friend. RoninMacbeth (talk) 22:42, 1 December 2018 (UTC)
Well I'll be back....mwahahahahahaha!-ᎠᎥamᎧndᎠᎥᎦᏣ1(talk) 04:26, 2 December 2018 (UTC)

Gaming, D&D , and Divinity 2[edit]

So I know you're somewhat of a fan of D&D, but I was wondering if you were into video games, and if so if you were interested in the Divinity series, more specifically Divinity 2. Can you say if you are? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:48, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

@GrammarCommie: I did not know about the Divinity series, but I've recently gotten back into video games since I figured out how to install Linux alongside Chrome OS. I mostly play Crusader Kings 2 right now, but I'll probably try out Fallout 2 at some point. Do you recommend Divinity? RoninMacbeth (talk) 02:54, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
I've heard lots of good things about the Divinity 2, don't know much about the series as a whole though. I can say as a turn-based RPG that's caught my interest and is likely to be bought by me the moment it goes on sale again. As for a review, I can't say much for certain since I haven't played it yet but it seems to be based heavily off table-top RPGs, wherein it's true value seems to come out in multiplayer with a full party. And I love that concept, I really do. So... Tentatively recommend it? But on sale on steam or GOG if you're not 100% sure ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 03:11, 9 December 2018 (UTC)
Just updating this thread a bit, I got Divinity 2 today since it was 35% off on Steam. I still need to install it but I thought I'd let you know. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 03:45, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Praise the mighty Steam Winter Sale. RoninMacbeth (talk) 05:11, 22 December 2018 (UTC)
Praise be indeed, I just started today and I'm already in love. It even has it's own GM/narrator! ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 05:04, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Damn, I didn't get it yet. I did get Darkest Dungeon, though, and I heartily recommend it. RoninMacbeth (talk) 05:16, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Damn, I completely forgot about Darkest Dungeon. And now I don't have enough in my wallet to get it. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 13:13, 4 January 2019 (UTC)
Bumping this thread a bit here to confirm whether you have a Steam account and if so would you be willing to contact me there to coordinate RPG games such a Divinity 2 and Darkest Dungeon. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 21:03, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


Thanks for undoing the vandalizing by on Evidence for the historical existence of Jesus Christ Looking over the history of the IP this isn't the first time it has been used to blank a page so I have put a three day ban on it.--BruceGrubb (talk) 11:29, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Doublethink/Tabula Rasa[edit]

Hey! Given recent events I think it might be wise to promote @Doublethink especially in light of the fact that he's now using a new account which does not have ops. He seems like a nice young chap but I think he was demoted prematurely. --MtDBogan 20:39, 13 December 2018 (UTC)

This should be brought to the Coop, IMHO. Ɖøn Ĵuan (talk) 21:58, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Ugh. Drama. I've had to clean up a couple of his messes so you're probably right. --MtDBogan 22:14, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
Sorry, I was taking a final for the last three hours. I'll think about it, if no one else has already promoted him. RoninMacbeth (talk) 22:51, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
On reflection I don't think this needs to be cooped. I've promoted the User:doublethink account on the basis that he's abandoned it for User:Tabula Rasa. If greater minds choose to reverse my actions, I won't object. --MtDBogan 00:00, 14 December 2018 (UTC)

He made a completely inappropriate edit filter[edit]

To add swear words to an abuse filter, without consulting anyone? It's stupid prudishness, and inappropriate use of tech powers. You can't delete edit filters without directly modifying the database. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

Well then ask him why he made it. If you feel it's an abuse of his powers, take it to the Coop. RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Abuse? No. Misuse? Yes. If it auto-banned, it would be abuse, I just wanted to warn him about it next time he logged in, and get him to self-unban. I'm all for effective moderation, but if extreme language moderation is automated? That's bad. That's scunthorp bad, that's tsk tsk nanny policing bad, it's not a good thing to do. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 16:59, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
Well, you seem to have it handled for now, so carry on. Try not to be too confrontational with him, though. I don't ask for that out of "nanny modding," but out of a desire to resolve this issue diplomatically. RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:03, 25 February 2019 (UTC)
I too have weighed in on this... Mistake. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 17:03, 25 February 2019 (UTC)

I added another response[edit]

go and read it. cheers — Unsigned, by: 2601:CA:8200:34A:5C61:FDEF:BD49:C265 / talk

Please don't put your responses on the essay page itself.The talkpage exists for a reason. RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:34, 21 March 2019 (UTC)


Just out of curiosity, what's your favorite Kurosawa film? Bongolian (talk) 17:22, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

"Seven Samurai." Why do you ask? RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:25, 21 March 2019 (UTC)
Just because I finally put 2+2 together regarding your name. I'm a big Kurosawa fan & have seen all of his films. I actually saw him in person once at a screening. My favorites are Yojimbo & The Lower Depths. Bongolian (talk) 04:45, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Well, I think you are right for the wrong reasons. Don't get me wrong, I like his work, but the origin of my name is that my dad, who IS a really big fan of his, used this as a game username a long time ago. Then he set up a account in that name, and it gradually became mine. RoninMacbeth (talk) 14:23, 22 March 2019 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Bongolian (talk) 17:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)


Fine, but you get to be the one who marks all of his shit as "unsigned". Pizza SLICE.gifDuceMoosoliniYour friendly RW dictator moderator 17:31, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Yeah, if he continues to do that, I will block him. I have a final in 88 minutes anyway. Would you be interested in debating him? RoninMacbeth (talk) 17:33, 21 March 2019 (UTC)

Talk page[edit]

No one views talk pages, no one pays attention to them. Looks like you are content with having extremely low quality content which uses arguments which have nothing to do with "rational". Good luck with this shit parade of pseudo science and pseudo intellectualism. (talk) 23:25, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

What you have said has been said a thousand times before, and will be said a thousand times hereafter. And again, you present no real arguments aside from BuT i tHOuGhT tHIs WaS RATIONALwIKI!!!111" If you have arguments, present them at the talkpage. RoninMacbeth (talk) 23:29, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


You've been nominated to the RationalMedia Foundation election. Please accept or decline here; if you accept, you may wish to campaign. (talk) 22:58, 8 July 2019 (UTC)


17:16, 21 October 2019 RoninMacbeth (talk | contribs | block) changed group membership for RoninMacbeth from Autopatrolled, Moderator, Ninja and Sysop to Autopatrolled, Ninja and Sysop (Resignation effective immediately. I think DD1 is my successor.)

the next mod election is due to start in about a week smh EK (talk) 11:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. I'll organize subreddit elections soon.
TBH, I was tempted to just serve out the rest of my term and not run. But I thought it was dishonest to do so, so I figured the only reasonable and honorable action was to admit I can't be a wiki mod right now, and then to resign. RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:53, 22 October 2019 (UTC)


Thanks for the editing rights. Especially since I've just been editing for 3 days, that's an act of trust. I'll try not to screw things up. ;-) Tinact (talk) 05:39, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

@Tinact No problem at all, we're usually pretty trusting here. If you keep up the good work you might even make sysop in a few weeks. RoninMacbeth (talk) 05:51, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

I'm going to pose to you specifically a question I posed to everyone at the coop[edit]

Do you people think it's biden winning that's making me angry? And not statements like "Everyone who won't vote for biden is an entitled retard" or "you just want to kill people"? I've been perfectly able to engage with other users on the subject.

Of course I'm "always" angry and combative. I'll be the first to recognize that I'm fast to go to harsh words. But I want to seriously ask you if it's ever unwarranted? ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:28, 14 April 2020 (UTC)

Sometimes? Yes. In general I don't like this level of combativeness in spaces I frequent, but I usually got along with you when it turned out that it was warranted. Like you say, genuine shitheads abound. But then there are the other times where what you're doing is more disruptive than helpful. I think we passed that point a while ago now. RoninMacbeth (talk) 20:37, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
I can't really say it's helpful, no. Wasn't really my intent either, I suppose. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 20:39, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
I've looked through the prior discussions on this talkpage about user disputes. A lot of them involve you. Nevertheless, I don't want to ban you, Ikanreed, if for no other reason than the fact that most of the time, as much as you're an insufferable asshole, you're usually right. But my patience is getting pretty thin, and I think that's true of a lot of other users as well. Do you just need a break? To step away from the site and take some time to rethink some things? RoninMacbeth (talk) 20:49, 14 April 2020 (UTC)
I already take breaks from the site from time to time. Usually no more than a week. It's far from my only hobby. In fact, most of my mainspace edits come from another of my really dull hobbies, reading scientific papers. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 01:32, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
I mean, maybe just from the Bar? It doesn't seem like the Bar is good for anyone, at this point. Even you have to admit it can get pretty bad there. RoninMacbeth (talk) 02:17, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Not really? In the end it's just words and no one is actually affected. I guess that kind of sentiment is always the last defense of the scoundrel. But there's real shit that really matters out there, and people being offended seems so low on the priority list. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 02:20, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
"People have it worse, get over yourself" is a really poor defense. Like you say, last defense of the scoundrel. RoninMacbeth (talk) 03:05, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
Not what I said. That's a shitty excuse for real harm. This isn't real harm. ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 13:44, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
This is a non-issue, and you, Ronin, didn't answer Ikanreed's question. Oxyaena Harass 15:23, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
The first question? Fine. My answer is this: I do think he is angry that Biden won. Fair enough, I'm also angry at that. And I think the more volatile members of the "Vote Blue" crowd do piss him off. Again, fair enough. But the fact of the matter is that I don't care why he's pissed. He's lashing out at other members of the community, engaging in a dialogue that is neither constructive nor healthy, and actively making it worse. We can discuss why Biden is a shit candidate later. Right now, I want the children to stop fucking fighting. RoninMacbeth (talk) 15:57, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
RM: Some of our users resort to angry expressions as a means of control. LGM as much as admitted that she is susceptible to this tactic. I don't think either of these two belong in the coop. I think the moderators should moderate. It's OK for me to say "you're full of shit" and for you to come back with "No, you are the one who is full o shit here." That's OK. But if it goes further, some moderator should give a warning. Three strikes shall we say? Then just kick them off the site for a day. No coop bs. But our moderators respect them more than they want to do their jobs. Both contribute a lot. It's understandable. Ariel31459 (talk) 18:47, 15 April 2020 (UTC)

Ariel31459 (talk) 00:25, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


What is so concerning about YouTube? YouTube videos are watched about five billion times each day. Shouldn't divergence be controlled by some sort of statistical normalization? That is to say, on average people will watch what matches up well with their interests. There's this channel originating in southern California (Quest for Details), that posts a lot of nature walks through the rough country in that area. Mostly hunting for interesting views and rock-hounding. I like that one.Ariel31459 (talk) 16:36, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

@Ariel31459 Please forgive my confusion, but why are you telling me this? RoninMacbeth (talk) 16:40, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Consider it an attempt to chat. I noticed a query of yours elsewhere that suggested some concern about Youtube. I am a shutin with little to do. Ariel31459 (talk) 16:56, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
@Ariel31459 I see. In any case, my comment was less about YouTube itself and more about a specific community of content creators within YouTube. Do you know what BreadTube is? RoninMacbeth (talk) 19:58, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
No. I have not heard of BreadTube. I have read this article, just now. Does it tell me what I ought to know?Ariel31459 (talk) 23:29, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes and no. Yes, it explains some of the problems for LeftTube's ideals within the way YouTube functions as a platform. And, there's more to BreadTube's problems than "What does Breadtube mean?" ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 23:46, 20 April 2020 (UTC)
Lefttube is filled with people, and people are flawed. They're doing some good, and they're not Nazis. Perhaps a different platform would be better, but Youtube attracts the most traffic by default. Oxyaena Harass 00:08, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Oh don't get me wrong, BreadTube is obviously better than the fucking chuds, and everyone's human. It's just sad that it seems to frequently dissolve into petty bickering. RoninMacbeth (talk) 00:17, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
And all I'm saying is that's inevitable. Marginally more extrinsic than "human nature" but far more intrinsic than something that can be dodged by being "the right sort of people". ikanreed 🐐Bleat at me 00:19, 21 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes to that. A political direction is not necessarily unifying. People don't usually wind up in the same place if you simply tell them to "Go West!" Ariel31459 (talk) 00:25, 21 April 2020 (UTC)


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