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Opening section far too long[edit]

@Johns since you were editing this, I would suggest the following rewrite:

Anatoly Karlin (Анатолий Карлин) (1988–) known as powerfultakes,[1][2] is a Russian white nationalist, anti-vegan activist and former writer (2015-2021) for the anti-Semitic The Unz Review. Karlin has a long history of posting racism, white supremacy and misogyny online — to the extent he admitted, in 2019, to being a "racist and very happy with that".[3] In 2016-2018 he was a poster boy for the neo-Nazi Richard Spencer, who he attended at least one white nationalist conference with and set up an alt-right podcast named ROGRP, promoting Spencer's white ethno-state.[4][5][6] Karlin has said he agrees with "about 70%" of the alt-right. He supported the Unite the Right rally.[7]

In December 2023, Karlin wrote series of articles titled "Intellectual Structuring" saying he had repudiated his former racist and nationalist beliefs, distanced himself from Spencer and is now a self-described anti-racist and liberal who supports "open borders" and globalisation.[8] Critics point out, similar to Richard Hanania there is no evidence, Karlin has genuinely abandoned his far-right views but is rebranding them to make them appear more palatable. For example, in his articles supposedly renouncing his racism — Karlin continues to defend race and intelligence pseudoscience and eugenics while still associates with far-right figures including Emil Kirkegaard, Steve Sailer and Noah Carl.

Karlin has criticised veganism for over a decade, likes to eat beef, has praised the Atkins diet and describes vegetarianism as based on "misplaced empathy".[9] On his blog he has also promoted an animal-based ketogenic diet while oddly boasting he eats insects.[10][11]

Polygraph.infoWikipedia describes him as a "Russian white nationalist blogger".[12] In a 2021 study published in Review of General Psychology, Karlin is described as "a similar figure [to Steve Sailer] who promotes antisemitic conspiracy theories and associates with alt-right political activist Richard Spencer."[13] (talk) 16:50, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

  3. Anatoly Karlin on Reddit. "I am quite happy that few Blacks associate with Russia, considering the type of violence-ridden underclasses they tend to create in countries that open their doors to them. Not to mention the extreme chutzpah and aggressive sense of racial grievance they tend to act out towards their host countries. So yes, I'm racist and very happy with that."
  4. Open Thread, 05/28/2016 - Alt Right Safe Space in Berkeley by Anatoly Karlin (May 28, 2016) The Unz Review (archived from 17 Jun 2019 21:47:29 UTC).
  6. As general rule, all whites from the high-IQ European & Anglosphere countries would be welcome given a willingness to culturally Russify. But it's not an absolute rule, individual exceptions can be made, for instance, I happily accept Benes Ayo as Russian. by @akarlin88 (3:10 PM - 22 Jun 2020) Twitter (archived from June 22, 2020).
  9. Are You A Social Contrarian? "Low-carb diet: The typical US high carb diet has greatly contributed to huge obesity rates; paleo, Atkins, 4HB-type diets are the way to go. Lazy fat people who want to rationalize and excuse their own obesity tend to hate it, as do many vegetarians with their misplaced empathy."
  10. Anatoly Karlin on the Ketogenic diet
  11. I was eating bugs before it was "cool" and woke (ordered freeze dried crickets from Amazon & experimented with various recipes a few times). Now a onetime eccentrism has been ruined and annulled by virtue signaling Western psychopaths like everything else. Twitter.
  12. Russian State TV Calls Video Game Metro Exodus "Russophobic" by William Echols (February 21, 2019)
  13. Jackson Jr, J. P., & Winston, A. S. (2021). "The mythical taboo on race and intelligence". Review of General Psychology, 25(1), 3-26 (see page 9).
Sometimes leads are too long and this may backfire as a user may employ TLTR. I have updated the lead to make it more suitable, little to no content has been lost. I merely moved old excessive content in the lead to correct sections on the article. Johns (talk) 19:39, 14 January 2024 (UTC)
This reads as an obvious parody to me [1]. When Hanania wrote his article about changing his views he got millions of views. Karlin has no media coverage about his alleged recantation and only a few hundred views on social media. I doubt anyone takes this guy seriously. Johns (talk) 19:45, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

Bronze Age Pervert[edit]

To add to this discussion note that as recent as last month, Anatoly Karlin was still supporting the fascist and misogynist Bronze Age Pervert. In 2022, Karlin also posted he wanted BAP's social media accounts to be reinstated after they were banned. Hard to take serious his claim he has "renounced" racism and given up his alt right views when he is supporting fascists still. (talk) 18:14, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

Alarming behaviour including threats of potential crimes by Anatoly Karlin to try to take down his RationalWiki page[edit]


I recently spoke to someone by email (who wants to remain an anon) who said they have recently recieved disturbing unsolicited emails from Anatoly Karlin.

This person also claimed AK has been harassing and pestering him over his RW article since he made edits to it ~5 years back.

This seems probable in light of the fact Karlin has been recently emailing the RWF and mods, contacting sysops on discord, and also apparently trying to dox @Johns.

I have not reproduced all the text of these emails only a small snippet but have provided a screenshot as proof.

The rest of the emails I was shown (but not reproduced here) contain misguided legal threats directed at Trent Toulouse.

There is at least one other person I spoke to who said Karlin was also pestering them by sending legal threats.

I will quote part of the alarming text:

So just out of idle curiosity, what would be sufficient for RW to delete my article/stop associating me with WNs/groypers/manospherians etc who I was never involved with?

Since proclaiming allegiance to GloboHomo is not enough, what if I explicitly endorsed White Genocide on X? Sure, that's doable. It's actually literally true. If you want a video of making walking through London demanding White Genocide Id be happy to do that. it will also be amusing to trigger the rightoids even more.

Should I reject hereditarianism? No, that's impossible, because I consider it almost certainly true, as well as important and predictive. (As I explained in Soypill Manifesto).

Is the demand that I leak insider info on Kikregaard/Aporia/etc? [...]

As in practically, what can I do to prove that I am not a rightoid within he bounds of legality? (so, shooting up some rightoid conference such as the recent Natcon one in Brussels is not an option, for example - conclusive proof as that might be, I am unenthusiastic about meeting the Singularity in jail. Necessary legal disclaimer: This paragraph is purely a thought experiment and ad absurdum hypothetical.

Suffice to say this individual is insane.

He's threatening to walk down his street shouting "White genocide!" and that he endorses genociding white people to get his article deleted.

The last part where he mentioned shooting people is even more disturbing even if he added a legal disclaimer.

He also lying when he states he was "never involved" with WNs. In reality, he attended a white nationalist conference with Richard Spencer who he shared a podium with and attended another far-right event in Britain with Tommy Robinson supporters. Not sure why he lies about this when there is clear evidence including photos of him at these WN/far-right events. At the latter event he even praised the For Britain leader saying she had the "best speech". (talk) 16:01, 6 May 2024 (UTC)

@Bongolian, @Plutocow, @Johns, @Arcadium Trancefer, @Tech Priest, @Luigifan18, @Cosmikdebris (tagging some users from the mod discussion board) just wondering what RationalWiki's policy on this sort of thing is? There are apparently other emails (aside from his bizarre threats of screaming "white genocide" while walking through London, where AK is threatening a drug overdose if his page is not removed. Perhaps the police should be involved? He currently claims (on his Twitter) to be living in London which matches what he mentioned in the email. I also scanned his Twitter profile to see he has recently started posting he supports white genocide so that matches the emails as well and is confirmation the screenshot I was sent was not fabricated. (talk) 16:58, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
He says he still supports hereditarianism which is why we know he is pulling a scam and hasn't really changed his racist views. I am currently working on creating 2 RationalWiki articles for different people so I can't get involved in anymore of Karlin's trolling. The man is a glue and LSD addict. He's gone crazy but he will use any trick in the book to try and get his article flushed, including sending out mass emails. The best thing to do is ban and ignore his threats. In my lifetime I have worked about 40 different jobs. Karlin has never worked. If he laid off the drugs, got a job like a normal person and got off the internet he may put himself in a better state of mind. Johns (talk) 17:12, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
I don't see how there is sufficient information to even make a credible police report. If he wants information removed, he should start with Unz Review, his own websites, and his YouTube and Twitter accounts. Otherwise, he's not even serious. Bongolian (talk) 17:28, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
The most I can do is block his RW account from sending emails, but the rest is outside our jurisdiction unfortunately. Plutocow (talk) 18:08, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
OK, WTF Karlin, I was showing him sympathy and now he pulls this kind of shit (which only further justifies us having an article about him, so if he wants us to not say bad things about him, he's seriously shooting himself in the foot). Where's our policy on handling legal threats again? I know we have one. I also know we have a page that got blanked due to legal concerns a couple of years ago (Tasmila Nasrim or something along those lines), and that still hasn't been restored despite no indication of the legal threats going anywhere. --Luigifan18 (talk) 19:15, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
You’re looking for RW:LEGAL. —cosmikdebris talk stalk 19:39, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Talk about grossly misplaced sympathy, this is it, Luigifan18. Karlin advocated genocide of Ukraine in 2015, decided not to volunteer when the chance to commit war crimes in Ukraine arose. Bongolian (talk) 02:25, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────He's saying he won't commit crimes, not that he will. I have to say though that ("hypothetically") endorsing genocide against anyone is certainly not going to convince anyone he's no longer far-right. He seems to have a looney tunes conception of what being a liberal means which is not helping things either; it really adds a Poe's Law element to this whole deal. Chillpilled (talk) 20:05, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
Not sure about crime threats for a police report, though this could be worthy an email to wikipedia arb com for akarlin’s ongoing SPI. (talk) 21:25, 6 May 2024 (UTC)
I guess I was hopeful that Karlin recognized that his earlier behavior was wrong and was trying to improve himself and put the messes behind him (which is partially my Catholic perspective and Jesus's messages of forgivenessWikipedia of sins, partially the fact that I've written characters in my fanfics who have done really nasty things (such as rape), felt deep and sincere remorse, and dedicated their lives to righting and preventing such wrongs going forward, and partially the fact that I've gotten myself banned from a few sites for pushing the envelope farther than I should have and/or putting my foot in my mouth one too many times). I can understand how a 100% buttfuck insane person could think that intentionally triggering alt-righters through the advocation of white genocide would be an effective way to distance oneself from the alt-right, but in reality-land, all I can think is "same pathological/sadistic mindset, different choice of victims". (I've always maintained that fundamentalism and similar worldviews (which are often distortions of far less toxic worldviews) are often (though probably not always) just a [thin] veil to cover a sadistic, sociopathic, narcissistic, and/or just plain assholish mindset.) The fact that the new victims actually deserve to be mocked (though I'd say that they probably do not deserve to be fucking genocided; we're a long, long way from crossing that Godzilla threshold [the 2021 coup attempt and the threat of Project 2025 notwithstanding]) is… not really relevant if one takes pleasure in the act of inflicting pain rather than the defense of potential victims. (The difference between me saying "get rid of Nazis" and someone like Karlin advocating white genocide is that I am not motivated by the desire to cripple or slaughter alt-rightoids per se, nor would I take much (if any) pleasure in it; that would be a means to an end to only be undertaken if no other solution is remotely viable. My concern is and has always been with protecting the people who are endangered by the existence of Neo-Nazis, Trumpists, and the alt-right in general (Jews, blacks, homosexuals, etc., etc.)) It's a crying shame; I wanted to extend the mercy to Karlin here that I never got at Know Your Meme, but he clearly doesn't deserve it. --Luigifan18 (talk) 16:06, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
I think Karlin was now just trolling with those emails. Someone I spoke to now said he is sending them gay pornography by email. This is supported by the fact he only yesterday was promoting gay porn on his X account: "Gay porn would be bullish because homosexuals are much higher IQ than average." Someone also recently criticised him for a similar lame attempt at trolling where he was suddenly supporting furry subculture. Sorry to have wasted my time on this nonsense. (talk) 21:02, 7 May 2024 (UTC)
It's not a waste of time. If Karlin is trying to troll the alt-right by doing extreme anti-alt-right takes, such as anti-white and anti-straight attitudes, in a misguided effort to distance himself from the alt-right, then reporting those antics gives us more material to work with for an article about his insanity. --Luigifan18 (talk) 21:07, 7 May 2024 (UTC)