Talk:Black people

African-American is on the way out, as it implies a divide between American and African American. People of color is the phrasing that people actually of color are using now. ^{— Unsigned, by: 50.171.182.9 / talk / contribs}

What's the point of this article? It can't provide info that wouldn't be more appropriate elsewhere. It also doesn't. It seems to provide an excuse to put "nigger" in print. Delete. 13:41, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Agree. i've long thought this article was shit, but just didn't care enough to say anything. Delete. The Symphony of Punk ^{Can't sleep, clowns will eat me!} 13:42, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Delete. Тy^{Please do not click on this} 13:45, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Since February then? Somehow I think AD has something to say about why he thought this was a good idea. I'd just put this stuff in the racism article. We've got better explanations of the problems with using terms like African American and blackness is just a little more complicated than talking about dark skin and then conflating color with being black in the US. Ask Foster. This is relevant to his work and he's got an Afro. Anyhow, I'm sure I jumped the gun. Let's hear from AD and Foster. 13:51, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Wow, seems kind of fast to delete an article... what was that, ten minutes?

Anyway, as far as I am aware (and I am not an expert) blackness and African-Americanness are fairly distinct, particularly with cultural implications. I mean, a fellow in Nigeria is not African-American - he's black. Being an African-American is inevitably tied up with being an American as well as the complicated history behind racial relations, including things like Garveyism and the Nation of Islam, most of which is only passingly related to race and blackness in general.

In other words, while I'm not attached to this particular article, I am opposed to conflating black and African-American. You could possibly include material about blackness in the article on race, although I'm not sure how well it would read.

Fair point on "nigger," too, although epithets deserve mention in a mature way, somewhere.--^talk 14:35, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

There's still half a dozen pages linking here. Please pay attention to this stuff when deleting a page. Wëäŝëïöïď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 14:44, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Fixed. Copperhead^Hisssssss 14:47, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

I don't know if the article goes into that discussion. I sort of remember that it doesn't. But then again I'm too lazy to click however many times it takes to check because someone deleted it. 15:03, 29 April 2012 (UTC) Update: I clicked it! 16:30, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

If tyhere's anything that folks want to keep, why not rephrase it in a way that seems less like we're talking about a particular racialized group and merge it into race? Theory of Practice "I never set out to hit anybody. It's just that a lot of people got hit." -- Andy Roberts 15:24, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

I think there's scope for keeping it as a separate article. The phase "black people" is used & understood differently in various countries throughout the world, and while the term can be problematic & divisive, all of the posited alternatives (colored, persons of color, African American, etc.) are also problematic & divisive in various ways. & The term isn't just applied to African ethnicities, but also Negrito, Aboriginal & sometimes South Asian ones too. It's an interesting subject & fits within the missions. Wěǎšěǐǒǐď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 15:56, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

What part of pseudoscience, antiscience, crankery, authoritarianism, and fundamentalism, or their media representations does it fit into? I don't have anything against this article per se, but I do think some people are more expansive in their conception of RW's mission than others. I just don't see it. sterile^{evolutionist story telling} 16:09, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

Having RW-ific material on race and racism is fine support for articles in which that sort of thing is more relevant. The only part of this article that actually says anything interesting says it poorly and really belongs in Race#Identification_of_Races - that is the difficulty in even identifying a person as of a particular race with one example being what this article handles poorly - how barded up with politics, guilt, shame, and racism concepts like "African-American" are. Foster, make this happen. 16:29, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

How about making a redirect from this article to that section? sterile^{evolutionist story telling} 23:41, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

this is a key article. We can point out how Lee Atwater informed us of the dangers of black people. We can expound on how black people keep Detroit going by buying Cadillacs with fodstamps. We can add data that the economic downturn under W was caused by giving home loans to black people, instead of blaming innocent banks. We can reference this in regards to our deficits. Corporate tax avoidance is not to blame, but, black people getting "Obama phones". ^{— Unsigned, by: 173.13.69.21 / talk / contribs}

Merge?

Not sure this is really necessary as a stand-alone and would probably go better as a section within Nigger. It is barely large enough not be a stub and I am not sure how much more mileage one could get out of it. Aceⁱ⁹ 08:18, 19 June 2014 (UTC)