Talk:Fatwa envy

Evangelicals

This is a word we (and I include myself) use carelessly. Evangelicalism is a pretty big tent and includes people from across the political spectrum--there are many liberal evangelicals who don't fit this sort of description at all.PFoster 18:49, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Not a problem. This is a group project, and deserves to be updated to best reflect the views and fun of all RW users. --Irrational Atheist 18:52, 21 December 2008 (EST)

South Park

Uh, I added the example to the article and it wasn't because of fatwa envy, it was because of the denial of free speech. It also doesn't match the article, because it isn't complaining about what someone said about Christians and then comparing it to Muslims, but is simply highlighting the irony of pandering to the views of one religion and censoring an episode about censorship. 203.51.47.135 21:32, 21 December 2008 (EST)

Uh, Bunch of Numbers--as I read the CP entry it seems pretty clear that as the edit in question reads, it's about the double standard of the treatment of concerns re: Islam/Muhammed v. lack of respect re: Christianity. Uh, how does that not fit into our article? PFoster 21:35, 21 December 2008 (EST)

A pretty big example of an avoidance of offending Islam while anything goes for Christianity comes from Roland Emmerich's 2012 film [1]. Maybe warrants a mention?

Excommunication

Nobody expects the Fatwa envy!

Wasn't excommunication the Christian [sic] equivalent for a long period of time? Someone who was excommunicated was "beyond the pale" and could literally starve to death in some medieval societies(?) and don't forget the Spanish Inquisition. Bet the "fundies" wish that it still was like that; except that it'd be they who'd be excommunicated by mainstream churches.

^Marmite

on Toast

10:34, 22 December 2008 (EST)

And there's the way $cientology treats ex members and also isolates present members from their (non believer) relatives & friends.

^Marmite

on Toast

10:33, 22 December 2008 (EST)

The first warning sign of a cult! SirChuckB^{Call the FBI} 18:06, 22 December 2008 (EST)

This article appears at first glance to justify Islamic fundamentalism

Hey, I don't think the South Park creators were in the wrong here, and neither does Jon Stewart. The article almost sounds, again, at first glance, like "The only people who are critical of Muslim religious fanatics are Christian religious fanatics". Rabbitxhampster (talk) 17:27, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

even more importantly, imo, is that the article's section on"the fatwa envy jamboree" is drowning in embarrassing irony. after attempting to make a snarky point about...cognitive dissonance (god, this page is showing its age!)...the article proceeds to list a group of purported counterexamples to the reluctance of a certain political set to criticise islam, at least three of whom have made precisely the point in the past that the article is attempting to satirise.

to recapitulate: after making a show of providing counterexamples to others' inability to recognise the reality of a phenomenon, the article lists...individuals whose collective public commentary on the reluctance of a certain political set to criticise islam serves as a counterexample to the very point of this article itself.

if this is supposed to be the rational wiki, i surely don't want to find the religious wiki.--104.2.190.49 (talk) 09:46, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

As do Christians regarding Muslims...

I also notice that Muslims and Muslim religious apologists (as in individuals who take it upon themselves to justify and rationalize Islamic doctrine as do Christian apologists) tend to exhibit this same sort of tendency toward Jews, as any statement made by Bill Maher (an atheist) criticizing Islam is then construed by sites such as Loonwatch.com or Islamophobia Watch with something along the lines of "Well Maher wouldn't say the same thing about Jews or Judaism that he does about Muslims and Islam because he's ethnically Jewish and loyal to Jewish interests", despite the fact that he has criticized Orthodox Judaism on several occasions.

I find this sort of argument just as stupid as exhibitions of fatwa envy by Christians, as it is both a deflection of criticism of some of the more oppressive tendencies of Islamic orthodoxy as well as a usage of a fetishized, exaggerated caricature of a Jew to allege that all 14 million ethnic or religious Jews are potentially more oppressive of, and powerful than, all 1 billion Muslims. Christians who wax similar in sentiment (and are usually racist, often Catholic) also exercise this sort of shitty argument.

I'm actually glad that this term "fatwa envy" exists, because I have seen this sort of deflection happen so many times on blogs and blog comments, but I didn't have any way to describe it. The only issue is that I don't have any idea as to what Muslims exactly envy about Jews, other than the usual emotional-yet-contradictory tripe. --RayneVanDunem (talk) 03:27, 18 July 2011 (UTC)