Talk:Hermann Göring

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I noticed that this website, whilst having articles on most other members of the Nazi High Command didn't have one on bloody Goring so I've made a start of one. I'll come back to it soon. Please feel free to make contributions. --Let Them Eat Cake (talk) 23:06, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Luftwaffe[edit]

I read a book about the Luftwaffe (I think it was John Killen's The Luftwaffe: A History) that said that Göring actually made a lot of bad decisions about aircraft, or maybe it would be more accurate to say that he simply fell asleep at the till after awhile. Landmartian (talk) 18:30, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

The article refers to his WW I days, when he was one of the German Empire's most acclaimed fighter pilots. I beleve he downed more than twenty enemy aircraft in two years of active service, which is not bad at all for a fat Nazi bastard (InsertOpinion) (talk) 19:26, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
If I remember correcttly, Göring only got fat after he became a morphine addict, i.e. after the Beer Hall Putsch. ScepticWombat (talk) 19:34, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Goring was incompetent but the Luftwaffe wasn't really that good of an air-force despite what the media likes to portray. No strategic bombers,no naval support or naval aviation,it was a tactical airforce in a strategic airforce war, resource and manpower issues and a lack of a serious air-defense plan.-BlackProg (talk) 19:47, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Everything concerning Nazis gets exaggerated indeed, but the Luftwaffe was a formidable force which revolutionized air warfare. This probably wasnt a good thing, but to say they were not that strong of an airforce just seems silly. (InsertOpinion) (talk) 20:12, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I concur with InsertOpinion's, well, opinion. As for the specific objections raised by BlackProg, I'll address each of them in turn:
  1. A focus on naval aviation would likely have been as much a waste of resources as the Kriegsmarine's other capital ships: Massive expenditure but relatively little "bang for the buck" since the Kriegsmarine would have to face the largest navy in the world: The Royal Navy.
  2. As for the lack of strategic bombers that was only a problem once Wehrmacht/Luftwaffe dynamic duo had defeated and/or mauled Nazi Germany's opponents. Also, Allied strategic bombing was only able to really hurt the German war effort once the Luftwaffe and Werhmacht had already suffered massive casualties by essentially trying to fight a 2½-3 front war (Russia, North Africa and the Channel/Atlantic with the latter being mainly a submarine/air war). Considering that lesson, the lack of a large strategic bomber force was arguably less of a problem than it may seem at first sight. Also, the entire doctrine of German war efforts was to avoid a war of attrition, not to mention the restrictions on Germany's abilities to openly conduct research or testing or even having an air force prior to the repudiation of the Versailles Treaty, the Luftwaffe did spectacularly well.
  3. It's simply untrue that the Luftwaffe lacked "a serious air-defense plan" - just look at the Allied losses in their strategic bombing campaigns. On the contrary, we have to factor in the quite effective Luftwaffe efforts in air defence and radar as one of the successes.
So, it's unlikely that the most glaring shortcomings vis-a-vis the Luftwaffe, namely the lack of strategic bombers, was actually a huge problem, while the lack of a carrier force was arguably an advantage. Why? Because not needing to divert resources to R&D, production and training of an ultimately irrelevant carrier-based air force allowed those resources to be concentrated on the crucial land-based air force. That an air force which had only officially been formed in 1935 was able to go toe to toe with the oldest independent air force in the world, the Royal Air Force, and defeat the Armée de l'Air a mere five years later is nothing short of astonishing. ScepticWombat (talk) 11:58, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Jägermeister[edit]

I've removed the following, because the wikipedia article referenced doesn't agree with it.

  A company from Northern Germany wanted to honor him by naming their newest spirit after him. They dropped the "Reichs" for shortness and the name stuckWikipedia.

Naiant (talk) 02:54, 19 October 2017 (UTC)