Talk:Ideomotor effect

Clever Hans

THe case of "Clever Hans" is not an example of ideomotor effect. It is, however a great example of unintentional cueing and of the importance of doing blinded experiments. ^{— Unsigned, by: 74.242.226.122 / talk / contribs}

Ideomotor effect is pseudoscience.

The ideomotor effect is an illogical theory of how ouija so or other paranormal things work. How can you make your brain move stuff without you realizing that you are moving it and while others as well are seeing the movement. I mean they have different minds and it is very unlikely that others who are playing the game make the same exact moves or movements as the player intended in his mind. There has been cases were people where physically actually attacked by the ouija boards. How is it possible your brain is attacking you by choking or physically hurting you or how your brain create such scenes or 'hallucinations' while you see others being possessed or being attacked by the The ideomotor ef board.It is impossible or at least extremely unlikely.Does anyone see my point?There are no reliable or logical scientific explanations or scientific theories of paranormal things work.Paranormal things and science have nothing to do with each other. So mixing these subjects or attempting to explain paranormal things in a scientific way makes it pseudoscience. So the ideomodor effect is pseudoscience. Many scientists refuse to believe in these paranormal things simply because they want to have a scientific view of the world because they fear that believing in such things would erode their 'rational' thinking.They just want to think like scientist.

Whether you believe it or not I strongly recommend you not to try it out. You never know what could happen.Coolguy10038 (talk) 23:31, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Clever Hans effect

I don't really think that "Clever Hans effect" is an example of "ideomotor". Clever Hans was a self-trained horse, he would carry out a certain action until he received a cue from his master. This is no more ideomotor effect than a dog sitting on command.Hubert (talk) 16:45, 4 September 2019 (UTC)

OK, now I understand. The ideomotor effect took place in the owner not the horse. I have clarified the text.Hubert (talk) 15:44, 8 September 2019 (UTC)

Question

Can channelling be explained by the ideomotor effect? I don't mean stuff like Ouija or Automatic Writing, I mean full-body channelling of a supposed spirit, personality change and all. TheOneAndOnlyCirrusMan (talk) 17:21, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

No. Realistically, no one is going to completely change their entire behavior from subconscious expectations. Your mind is conscious and active while engaged in ideomotor effect, and merely not aware of the purposefulness of some parts of your behavior. Those people are fraudsters. Knowingly engaged in deception. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 17:28, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

Some of my relatives actually do experience this, and as far as I know they aren't fraudsters (They don't sell this as a service or whatever, and it seems genuine), so that's why I was asking; To see if there are non-supernatural explanations for this. TheOneAndOnlyCirrusMan (talk) 19:24, 7 October 2024 (UTC)

I mean, delusions are a thing, but I wouldn't go diagnosing strangers from like 20 words posted about someone online. But no, this particular effect is caused by your expectations affecting your motion in small amounts, compounded with confirmation bias. A "Change of personality" is something else. ikanreed ^{🐐Bleat at me} 21:30, 7 October 2024 (UTC)