Talk:More

Does this singular actually exist? OED doesn't appear give it, and it seems very strange as "mores" is a direct import from Latin where "more" is not the singular. I'd suggest a move to mores as a more common term, but who knows, maybe people in the field actually use it... --MarkGall (talk) 15:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Actually, we do say more all the time (clearly, that habit is more of a more, than a home rule). But more importantly, i think the original writer (years ago?) was having a RW punny page. I was going to make a redirect for MORES. --En attendant Godot 15:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Of course it's a word. It's even in a song: "When the moon hits your eye, like a big pizza pie, that's a more." P-Foster_{Can't we talk about this, baby?} 15:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Huh, learn something new every day. O tempora! --MarkGall (talk) 15:54, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

LOL. funny. Actually, Mark, i was thinking the same thing as you before i started editing. "is the one pun, worth the confusion". i think the main reason Wiki uses "mores" is that 1) it's the most common term, cause mores almost always are discussed as a set, and 2) it's just less confusing. In fact, i saw "more" in teh "stubs" section and thought "what the hell kind of artcicle could we have on "more", it's a damned adjective. ;-) what would be uber cool would be a way to keep the "more" pun, and still list it as "mores". but i'm not that clever.--En attendant Godot 16:00, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

You could have the page listed as mores, but change the page title display to more? P-Foster_{Can't we talk about this, baby?} 16:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Done. Тy^YAUA 17:08, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Enunciation

In which dialect of English is it pronounced "mor-ay"? Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 16:47, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

When you're talking about the concept of shared folkways/ethics/morals/social codes, always, AFAIK. P-Foster_{Can't we talk about this, baby?} 16:55, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Never mind. I thought it meant the "s" was silent. Now I think it was a leftover of the punstress-induced singularity from before the move. Wiktionary tells me mōs is the singular form of the third-declension noun, anyway.

Stick your hand in a cave
You'll get bitten, though brave,
By a moray...

Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 17:02, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Looks more clear now, though the IPA was for "mores" and the non-IPA pronunciation was for the alleged singular "more". Adding the "s" since I'm still not entirely convinced the latter is a word, but if someone wants to make it "more" be sure to get both of them. --MarkGall (talk) 17:44, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

My wording - and my only excuse, it's a friday

does this make sense to ANYONE?? "Though the English word "moral" and "morality" come from the root "more", mores are not generally moral codes; they far more often address things about proper daily behaviors and rituals. Of course, most of a society's moral codes are in fact mores. [1]" --En attendant Godot 17:05, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Smite, smote, smitten. Is OK?

I have further concern about the bit about sociology's use of "custom" instead of the singular "more." "Mores," like "scissors" or "trousers," is a plural-only noun in English. (I have been told that in modern Hebrew it makes sense to speak of a single trouser, but the context is usually about sewing, mending, or tailoring, what we would render in English as "a pant leg.") Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 17:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

That's actually straight out of my sociology text i'm getting this from. :-) so there! but the crappy writing - that just me being a crappy writer.--En attendant Godot 17:30, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Then your sociology text was written by a doofus who wouldn't recognize a plurale tantum if it bit em on the butt. Doesn't change the way I feel about you, dear. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 17:45, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I'm curious now. OED (my go to on everything definition) lists more as a single for mores. But what the hell do brits know, and i could care less which way you all go, as long as we are consistent. My motto "I'm less about being right, since i rarely am, than about being consistently wrong" (I need a long drink. or nap. tragically, i have to be here 6 more hours with little to do as it's the very off season and no one has money to hire us).--En attendant Godot 17:50, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, I don't see quite this sense in my dictionary (just "more Anglico" etc, which isn't the same word really). What if we just change the pun to "mores are those which are not lesses" and never speak of the singular again? --MarkGall (talk) 18:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

(ec)Must be a neologism then ;-) since my dead-tree copy of the 1984 OED has acres of tiny type on "more" with nary a mention of the Latin sense, and nothing at all on mores. While never speaking of the singular again is a fine strategy here, we may have first-amendment problems with it here in the US. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 18:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Eh, i'm mad at teh US this very day. so this one vote doesn't care abotu first amendment. hehe.--En attendant Godot 19:12, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

I was nowhere near it when it got pushed fell over. What did we do this time? Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 19:16, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

1) we are trying an 11 year old who shot his 6 year old brother as a legal adult. cause you know, at 11 we get what "forever" is (rolls eyes). 2) Texas Govonor R. Perry, despite being told what he was doing would break about 1 million international treaties, and despite calls from president bush and obama for the last 2 years, and despite the fact that there is DNA evidence he's chosen not to consider - assassinated executed a mexican national, 3) Alabama is going through with a case to try (for LIFE IMPRISIONMENT) a 15 year old girl who did drugs while pregnant (infrequently, by the way) and who happened to miscarry. there is no proof the drugs caused the miscarriage. she was in her 3rd or 4th month. So, i'm cranky with the US today.--En attendant Godot 19:26, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I see. Outside the boundary of that spotlight, this morning I walked up the street to drop off a book I am done with at the house of a kid who may be able to use it. Interning at the mayor's office between her HS senior year and starting at one of the Seven Sisters in the fall, in future she may be a force to be reckoned with. It is Lakoff's book on misunderstanding 21st century politics with an 18th century brain, and she may be able to use some of those ideas against the authoritarian dipshitz who figure so prominently in the ain't-it-awful "news" media. Elsewhere, the vast majority of US citizens got on with our lives. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 20:28, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

Lakoff just after High school? that must be one sharp student. :-)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘Sharp indeed. DW and I have known this one since she was four or five, and as I've said previously, she is a force of Nature, kind-hearted and assertive, smart, musical and athletic. If she gets to be one of the ones who runs this show, there may be hope after all. Besides, that book is one of his slimmer, more accessible works, not such a doorstop as WFDT or Philosophy in the Flesh, which are nay the less worth plowing through, IMO.

Obligatory on-topic content resumes here: one of the useful mores of Yankee life, according to E.B.White, is that when carrying books outdoors in uncertain weather, cognizant individuals know to wrap them up. In his day it was with brown paper and string; nowadays it can be a plastic produce bag secured with a sticky note. Sprocket J Cogswell (talk) 22:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)