Talk:Pink-baiting

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Is this similar to "pink-washing"?[edit]

"Pink-washing" is basically the accusation against someone that they only grant LGBT rights to distract from the horrible stuff they do or supposedly do. Should this be mentioned here? Or do we need another article for that? Evil Zionist (talk) 20:58, 6 September 2017 (UTC)

Pinkwashing is when an entity (person, state, corporation) shallowly supports "the LGBT community" to distract from their other human rights abuses, which, by nature, usually amount to an attack on subsections of the LGBT community (e.g. Palestinian LGBT people, LGBT refugees, LGBT undocumented workers) and support for only a subsection of it (e.g. Israeli gay men, white European gay men, white American gay men). This is when someone links bad things to homosexuality. They're very different topics. See Wikipedia's article on pinkwashing (LGBT). Cat A. Lonia (talk) 21:46, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Most notably, accusations of pinkwashing against states tend to come from the LGBT communities of the states in question, whereas pink-baiting is when cishet people attribute negative things to LGBT people. Cat A. Lonia (talk) 21:52, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Is Israel oppressing LGBT Palestinians, though? I haven't heard of that. What I have heard of is "honor killings" against gay Palestinians in the West Bank. Evil Zionist (talk) 00:50, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
Your ignorance is not a privilege that LGBT Palestinians have, so maybe you should learn more about this before so enthusiastically contributing to wikis on the subject. I used to be an ignorant and enthusiastic propagandist of Israel myself and it took me a long time to unlearn this. I still regret the damage I did because, on the whole, white goyim were much more willing to listen to me than they were to Arabs. In addition to the information contained in that link, Palestinian LGBT people are routinely blackmailed by Israeli forces into becoming informants.
Regardless, the point was that pinkwashing and pink-baiting are entirely unrelated subjects. Accusations of pinkwashing are leveled by Israeli LGBT people such as this person and these people against their largely cishet government; pink-baiting, on the other hand, is done by cishet people against LGBT people in order to dehumanize us. It's a difference of power dynamics. (((Cat A. Lonia))) (talk) 04:41, 7 September 2017 (UTC)
If you claim to be a goy, why do you use the triple parenthesis? And how does Israel granting civil rights to LGBT individuals while Hamas and Fatah do not count as an evil thing? Plus the sources you cite are known for making shit up to tar Israel. And please spare me your conversion story. They tend to be made up just like the I used to be an atheist stories. So please, tell me, why does the PA under Mahmud Abbas not grant civil rights to LGBT individuals? Why does Hamas kill LGBT individuals? Why is nobody protesting against that? Evil Zionist (talk) 21:44, 7 September 2017 (UTC)