Talk:Pirate Party

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Czech PP is in the Parliament with 22 seats. — Unsigned, by: / talk / contribs

"Socialist Pirate Movement"[edit]

The user Comrade-yutyo created the section "Global Organizations" in order to promote his own creation that he called "Socialist Pirate Movement". To make it clear, this movement doesn't even exist. It's just him creating accounts everywhere to promote his own ideals and spamming about it where he can (group chats, social media), creating group chats but so far he is the only one working on something as the other people just joined their group chat.

I added the sentence "However, this is not a movement, nor has it ever produced anything, except pages about itself on various websites and social media", because it's a simple verifiable fact. Comrade Yutyo removed that sentence, argumenting that "Socialist Pirate Party isn't a small group that had done nothing. Please check the Github account:" (see Fossil record page). If you check the link he mentioned, you can see that, indeed there is... nothing. It's empty. There is just that project about creating their own website, which is again about branding. The 2 other "projects" are empty shells.

So I'll undo that edit, hoping it won't have to be done over and over again. I have no problem with people editing the sentence I wrote, as long as they can provide some information that could prove or indicate somehow that it's wrong :)

On another aspect, "Socialist Pirate Movement" repeatedly complains about PPI's decision to use non-free software for some of its tools (e.g. Zoom and Discord). SPM/Comrade-yutyo even edited this page to add that complaint (see the PPI section). In the meanwhile, SPM uses Twitter (and only joined Mastodon because their Twitter account was suspended), uses Telegram which is only partially free-software, uses Github owned by Microsoft, opens a Discord server (yes, the very tool they publicly complain PPI uses)— Unsigned, by: Vanecx / talk / contribs

* SPM accepts Hacker and Telecommunist Manifestos as its main. An official manifesto is currently being made.
* Telegram's server side isn't free, as it is a centralized system. That is a thing to do with the web freedom, not software freedom.
* Argentinian and Catalonian Pirate Parties acknowledge SPM. Ask Dario and Klaus about that.
* SPM will switch to its own Git server when it has a server. SPM's official announcement about Github[1]
* SPM doesn't recently have an active Discord. Currently existing one is suspended and an announcement is made regarding switching to Telegram. Yutyo SPM Discord Announcement[2]
* I am not the only person working. There are people interested in the movement from real pirate parties, that we brainstorm and talk about the upcoming manifesto, as well as other manifestos that are made.
* SPM is a movement, as everything that has an agenda is a such. Political Movement[3]
I hope that helps.
- User:Comrade-yutyo
Your self admittance to being a part of SPM causes a conflict of interest. While I can't find any direct rules (aside from some stuff from around 8 years ago) on COIs, if we're to follow Wikipedias guidelines, it means that you shouldn't be editing this page on your own but rather suggest edits and if you do plan on editing, keep in mind that we're not your soapbox and we're not gonna pretend your organization is more than it is. Also, could you stop adding references to talkpages? It's rather annoying and not needed. Similarly, I question the notability of your organization if all there is right now is a webpage, a social media account and a telegram channel. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 11:58, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
A google search on the SPM seems to suggest the "organization" was created around a week ago. Whilst I don't think we have any notability guidelines, I hesitate to call this organization to be notable enough for RationalWiki to make mention of it, especially with the context posted by Vanecx about most of the organization being an empty shell. If no-one objects, I'll remove it from the page later. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 08:14, 1 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree with your suggestion User:The Crow. I think both Pirates Without Borders (which is inactive, and has never been really active) and Parti Pirate Francophone (which is mostly a Facebook group and is also currently inactive as far as I know) should also be removed. Disclaimer : I'm a member of the Pirate Party of Belgium, this party is affiliated with PPI even though we didn't have any participation since many years now (and I believe that technically we shouldn't be considered members anymore since we haven't paid our fees since years). So I'd rather someone not linked to Pirate Party edits this page (I'd only edit if something is obviously inaccurate). --Vanecx (talk) 10:05, 2 May 2020 (UTC)
I've gone and removed PWB, PPF and SPM based on this information. Thanks for the assistance @Vanecx Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 17:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Wide Criticism of Pirate Parties International[edit]

Criticism regarding PPI is a known thing and as a person that isn't affiliated with them, I have added that but looking to his writings, its obvious that the user named as Vanecx is pretty aware of stuff happening in the pirate politics and probably a part of PPI. I don't insist about anything at that moment but the criticism regarding PPI that they don't use Free Software yet advocate it and I am not single at that criticism as many others in the community have the same view regarding the context.--Comrade-yutyo (talk) 12:09, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

I removed that, not Vanecx. Your argument of that they advocate FOSS but don't use it themselves reeks of the Gotcha type of arguing that isn't helpful nor contributing. There's probably a fallacy in there that I'm overlooking, but that's why I removed it. Also please sign your comments (use four tildes). Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 12:53, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
@The Crow I think the criticism of PPI is essential, as many of the pirates outside PPI hate it for other several reasons, like they have such an ossified oligarchic system and some of the members are even authoritarian. --Comrade-yutyo (talk) 14:03, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Feel free to find sourced statements about that and add them to the page. However, "they advocate FOSS but don't use FOSS themselves" isn't criticism, that's a cheap gotcha. There's often grounds to not rely on FOSS, since a lot of FOSS software tends to be lacking in completion or becomes subject to extreme feature creep, which makes the project essentially unusable. Find well sourced criticism and it can be added to the page. Techpriest (I am Alpharius! / Pencil.png / Tux icon.png / Shield.png) 17:28, 5 May 2020 (UTC)