Talk:Reality-based community

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That quote came from here: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/10/17/magazine/17BUSH.html I have no idea how to add it.Garble 23:26, 25 September 2007 (EDT)

Faith-based community?[edit]

Assumption that the topic is "contrasted" with faith-based community doesn't make any sense. The opposite of "faith" is not "reality". In fact, we in the faith-based community :) see ourselves as being based in reality (or Reality), and an attitute expressed by an unnamed aide (let's call him Carl Rove) would in fact be highly heretical, to an adherent of any real religion I can think of. Maybe not for some New Agers. OrthodoxBeliever (talk) 04:44, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Alternatively it can be called the "evidence" based community, which is pretty much the opposite end of the scale. As reality and evidence are synonymous to most rationalists, then yes, faith-based would be the opposite end of reality-based. Scarlet A.pngsshole 08:40, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
To most rationalists, maybe. Not so for people of faith. The edit improves it, though. I can't talk for all believers, but I feel that the incredible hubris displayed by the quote indicates deep spiritual problems. People editing the Bible for content ("Conservative" or othervise) and clowns like Fred Phelps display the same, more dramatically. OrthodoxBeliever (talk) 12:34, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Come to think of it, is Karl Rove known or thought of as particularly religious? OrthodoxBeliever (talk) 12:34, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Melanie Phillips[edit]

Not sure what else to title this section, it's just this suddenly reminded me of the Melanie Phillips quite: "The trouble with a 'scientific' argument, of course, is that it relies solely on empirical facts" Scarlet A.pngnarchist 13:49, 4 February 2012 (UTC)