User talk:OrthodoxBeliever

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Orthodox believer of what, exactly? Peter^{Quasniki 2012!} 05:20, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Member of one of the Eastern Orthodox Churches (not observant enough, sadly). We do not call ourselves "Eastern" though :). ^{— Unsigned, by: OrthodoxBeliever / talk / contribs}

Ah, that kind. And what do "Eastern" Orthodox people believe in their orthodoxiancy? Peter^{Quasniki 2012!} 04:21, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

We believe in One God, Father Almighty... OrthodoxBeliever (talk) 05:15, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

It's like the Roman Catholic Church, but mainly in eastern Europe. Sam ^Tally-ho! 04:54, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

The Orthodox are not that much like the Catholics; I understand that they reject a lot of Catholic innovations, such as the use of reason as a source for theology. Also, they allow married priests. ListenerX^TalkerX 04:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes. We do have major similarities with the Latins (we do share 1000 years of history), that many of our ideological types tend to downplay. Often-overlooked fact: the Popists ALSO allow married priests, in "special circumstances", as well as in sui juris Churches of the Eastern Tradition. OrthodoxBeliever (talk) 05:08, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

It's more of an emphasis thing. The use of "reason" (classical Hellenic philosophy) predates the schism, and originated mainly on the East anyway. We do think Latins over-rely on it (new dogmata like Immaculate Conception, Purgatory and indulgencies being examples), and the hardcore types stress asceticism and prayer over scholastics. Plus our music, vestments and iconography are better :) OrthodoxBeliever (talk) 05:12, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

It kinda descends from the Byzantine empire, right? Sam ^Tally-ho! 05:20, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

(EC) I thought it was a disagreement of formal principle, the Orthodox only allowing the Bible and tradition for sources, the Catholics accepting reason as well.

The primus-inter-pares head of the Eastern Orthodox communion is still quartered in what was once called Constantinople. The Turkish government only recognizes him as the neighborhood patriarch. ListenerX^TalkerX 05:24, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Turks are a nuisance. We "descend" from Christ and the Apostles, but the Empire is a source of a lot of the cultural baggage. OrthodoxBeliever (talk) 05:29, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

The biggest FORMAL disagreement is prerogatives of the Bishop of Rome as the universal Primate. Latins think his position allows him to boss everyone around and grants superpowers (beyond the Mysteries/Sacraments), we only allow for some formal courtesies. This, and the Filioque controversy. There are philosophical differencies, those being more or less important depending on whom you'd ask. OrthodoxBeliever (talk) 05:34, 14 January 2012 (UTC)

Hello! Can I ask you? Do you consider yourself as the member of the ROC (PM)?--Mr. B 11:35, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Nope. That's a sister Church. By God's grace, I'm not in their jurisdiction.OrthodoxBeliever (talk) 19:09, 15 January 2012 (UTC)