# Talk:String theory

Mayhaps this should be a "Fun: String Theory" article? User:Mithearon

- Or perhaps it could
*also*have info on what ST actually is added to it?**ħuman**20:36, 16 February 2009 (EST)- I think you both are right. Create an article about actual string theory, and then link it to this one for humor. Don't ask me to do it, however, because string theory makes little to no sense to me, and I usually fair well in math and science. Talk about a bunch of gibberish!The Goonie 1 09:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
- From what I know of string theory, the article is a fairly accurate description without getting into ridiculous levels of maths.
^{d hominem}09:44, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

- From what I know of string theory, the article is a fairly accurate description without getting into ridiculous levels of maths.

- I think you both are right. Create an article about actual string theory, and then link it to this one for humor. Don't ask me to do it, however, because string theory makes little to no sense to me, and I usually fair well in math and science. Talk about a bunch of gibberish!The Goonie 1 09:08, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

## Contents

- 1 Ace will help
- 2 String Theory Makes Accurate Predictions
- 3 MemBrane theory - dies this conflict or support strings
- 4 theory vs theory
- 5 What about the stark raving lunatics?
- 6 The Funspace version of this page
- 7 Miniature Black holes at the LHC (oh noes!)
- 8 Exponentially? etc.
- 9 Uses of the higher dimensions
- 10 Links

### Ace will help[edit]

Ace knows a little about String Theory so Ace will help when he gets some free time tomorrow. Oh and Ace enjoys talking about himself in the third person. Ace McWicked^{i9} 10:39, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

- Sounds good, Ace. Btw, I talk about myself in the third person, too, sometimes. Like on my userpage.The Goonie 1 00:38, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
- Ace will help, just a little......unfocused right now. Ace McWicked
^{i9}00:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

- Ace will help, just a little......unfocused right now. Ace McWicked

## String Theory Makes Accurate Predictions[edit]

For anyone who is interested, ST is making the math of hot-state superconductors and quark plasma alot less of a headache. Facets of the theory generally thought to be weird, combined with ideas in the holographic principle had made some interesting (if small) advances. Since CP hates ST due to it's "God did't do it" stance, if anyone has the motivation to put something up in the loony bin, I can forward you the relevant papers via my talk page. That being said, look into Hot-tc superconductors, which are really amazing things where quantum concepts are easily recorded. Go Science!--DylanB 00:45, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

## MemBrane theory - dies this conflict or support strings[edit]

Does the "Brane" theory support or conflict with strings ? Are strings a subset of Branes or something entirely different ?

- M-Theory is a unified string theory. While Sting Theory supports 5 dimensions they consist of a higher Membrane which "floats" in 11 dimensions. Ace
^{i9}00:19, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

## theory vs theory[edit]

I always thought string theory was a theory in the mathematical sense rather than the scientific. - π 03:34, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

- Actually, from my limited understanding of it, it is scientific, but revolves mostly around complex mathematical equations as its proof. But, again, my understanding is limited. Punky
^{Your mental puke relief}03:36, 22 January 2010 (UTC)- You are quite right Pi. It is used more to explain mathematically the relationship between quantum states and our "real" state however as a proof or "theory" it has no physical scientific underpinning....I think, its been awhile... Ace
^{i9}03:37, 22 January 2010 (UTC)- The biggest problem with it as a scientific theory is that it explains everything we know, but has given us nothing new to test, e.g, it has made no predictions that couldn't have been made with the standard model. A mathematical theory is a collection of theorems that have the same set of axioms as their base, e.g, probability theory, set theory. String theory is definitely a theory in that sense and has produced some very impressive mathematics. - π 03:42, 22 January 2010 (UTC)
- I dunno.... Like I said, my understanding of string theory is extremely limited. Lord of the Goons
^{The official spikey-haired skeptical punk}03:44, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

- I dunno.... Like I said, my understanding of string theory is extremely limited. Lord of the Goons

- The biggest problem with it as a scientific theory is that it explains everything we know, but has given us nothing new to test, e.g, it has made no predictions that couldn't have been made with the standard model. A mathematical theory is a collection of theorems that have the same set of axioms as their base, e.g, probability theory, set theory. String theory is definitely a theory in that sense and has produced some very impressive mathematics. - π 03:42, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

- You are quite right Pi. It is used more to explain mathematically the relationship between quantum states and our "real" state however as a proof or "theory" it has no physical scientific underpinning....I think, its been awhile... Ace
- Physicists I know who know MUCH more maths than me say that string theory hasn't come up with a whole lot of falsifiable hypotheses. But that it nevertheless looks good enough that hard-nosed funding bodies keep paying people to sit and think about it - David Gerard (talk) 20:13, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

## What about the stark raving lunatics?[edit]

I note that string theory has both proponents and opponents that are, to put it mildly, batshit bugfuck crazy, some of whom go so far as to politicize their opposition. What's the deal with that? Some history in this article might be good. EVDebs (talk) 07:35, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

- Well, it is so complex, very few understand it, but the words it uses make lots of stupid people think it says what they want it to. I know that doesn't help much, sorry.
**ħuman**07:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

## The Funspace version of this page[edit]

... would include instructions on knitting a string-theory vest. 171.33.197.73 (talk) 15:45, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Or possibly constructing cats-cradles. 86.146.100.116 (talk) 22:55, 22 December 2016 (UTC)

## Miniature Black holes at the LHC (oh noes!)[edit]

There's another possible observation of the effects of String theory, or better: of the extra dimensions that show up in every string theory: If there are extra dimensions within reach of the LHC, it could be possible to produce artificial miniature black holes. These would decay almost immediately via Hawking radiation, emitting all sorts of interesting new particles 1. While I'm not sure if there are other frameworks which also predict the existence of extra dimensions, such a black hole would at least confirm one important prediction of String Theory. Should that be added under "Problems"? --134.76.88.49 (talk) 16:56, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

## Exponentially? etc.[edit]

I just made a couple corrections, and am considering a few more:

- The term "exponentially" is used twice. I think the usage is incorrect, and "orders of magnitude" would be a good substitution. Agreed? (Partial rationale: Gravity is orders of magnitude stronger at great distances, but orders of magnitude weaker at small distances...)
- Also, the article ends on a weak note: ", and the scientific method (and the tools with which to test it) has advanced substantially since the 1800s." Any ideas on improving it? Otherwise, I think it's better off removed.
- Add this quote of Stephen Hawking on Confirming M-theory by observation:

- "M-theory is the only possible unified theory, under certain assumptions, the most important of which is that there should be a relation between forces and matter called supersymmetry. This would predict that elementary particles should appear in pairs. It may be possible to observe this in the Large Hadron Collider which would go a long way towards confirming M-theory experimentally." Source

--BeKind (talk) 18:55, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

- Thanks, yeah, orders of magnitude is more accurate. No problem with the removal of the final line either. Petey Plane (talk) 13:19, 2 June 2016 (UTC)

## Uses of the higher dimensions[edit]

This is where the object you are looking for urgently disappears to - and from which it returns when you are sufficiently annoyed/late or have acquired a replacement.

Unfortunately, due to the complexities of mapping multi-dimensional space onto our three-dimensional space the process occasionally goes wrong: there are some things you never see again, and others which you know you never acquired: other items undergo a subtle metamorphosis so they differ to what you remember them to be. 31.49.137.205 (talk) 10:21, 7 March 2017 (UTC)

## Links[edit]

Should there be a humorous link to this foodstuff? Anna Livia (talk) 09:22, 27 April 2018 (UTC)