Talk:Suicide

"Treating suicide as a mortal sin is almost certainly a retrofit, due to the discovery that preaching eternal happiness in heaven, as the Christian faith does, led to people killing themselves in order to get there faster". Maybe a cite for this would be needed. After all, the sanctity of life is an important factor in most religions. Contributor at CP^{thanks Ed} 16:00, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

There were actually a couple of early Christian suicide cults, such as the Circumcelliones, and possibly also the Donatists. Also, St. Augustine who was probably one of the first Church Fathers to specifically denounce suicide had a fair bit of trouble exactly with Donatists in Carthage, so it's possible that there might be a connection. It is probably more complex than than, though - Judaism also considers suicide a sin, and it usually not really have a concept of a paradisical afterlife, as far as I remember.

I'm more puzzled by the use of the term 'retrofit', though. A retrofit to what? The otherwise completely developed and finished Christianity that never really existed...? --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 16:28, 12 April 2008 (EDT)

Were the French and Spanish wikipedia searches done using the French and Spanish words for "suicide", I hope? ħuman 15:22, 5 June 2008 (EDT)

Ca veux dire "susicide"? hehe. Can I ask a stupid question - what does saying (the factual statement) that someone killed themself, or having an article on why people kill themselves have to do with 1) morality, and 2) "honoring" or "glorifying" susicide? Isn't that like saying if you see guns in the home, you will use them? therefore guns in homes -- bad idea? Hey, we should outlaw guns! --Waiting for Godot 17:59, 18 August 2008 (EDT)

Can anyone figure out a way to remove the little CP section without damaging any furniture? ħuman 00:03, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

I tried. Тy^Talk. 22:53, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Does religion and suicide belong here?

Perhaps a separate article which could be placed under "See Also" could discuss religious views on suicide, but I think that the discussion of religion and suicide does not fit in the modern context of suicide discussion and prevention. Even if it should be kept, I would not place it as the first section. Overall, I think the article could be greatly expanded to discuss mental illness and bullying factors in depth, leaving a minor, if any, emphasis on religious views on the matter.Kentuckyball (talk) 18:29, 18 August 2015 (UTC)

International resources

Currently, the banner at the top of the page only has resources for US folks. I think it would be good to have some other lifelines listed for those outside of the US. Does anyone know any good resources? Monochroma (talk) 07:19, 9 June 2022 (UTC)

Remove the resources

This is a wiki not a therapist and I think that suicide should be normalised ^{— Unsigned, by: 194.247.255.130 / talk}

That's quite the change you are proposing here. I doubt that editors here want the resources removed, though of course I'm willing to be proven wrong here. You are right, this is a wiki, not a therapist. We do not intent to act as armchair therapists for people considering suicide. This article deals with the ethics and politics surrounding this subject. Rabbitseatcarrots (talk) 09:51, 12 October 2022 (UTC)

I would also argue that putting resources here is exactly what non-therapists should do. It's not our place as a wiki to try to help someone. That's why there are external links. I also think its worth mentioning that this article doesn't stigmatize suicide all that much, which is welcome. Monochroma (talk) 23:03, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Problems with this article

I find this article to be too opinionated, subjective, repetitive, one sided, and states the obvious many times. I would like this article to be rewritten in a more neutral tone that also doesnt teach people things they already know. 149.12.4.58 (talk) 17:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)