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The problem is that they have to learn how to have a conversation. Let's face it, MediaWiki is not exactly ideal for conversations.

-- Nx / talk17:55, 21 November 2010

Neither is this. ħumanUser talk:Human 18:00, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

ħumanUser talk:Human18:00, 21 November 2010

Let's see, all you have to do is click reply, type something and click save. No having to figure out where to insert your comment, how many colons it needs, having to remember to sign your posts, and no edit conflicts.

-- Nx / talk18:02, 21 November 2010

I dispute the first point, as one has to scroll up and down the page trying to find out which reply button to click. This is harder than typing one more colon than on the last post, or typing four tildes at the end of the post, or even dealing with an edit conflict.

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX18:13, 21 November 2010

There needs to be a big post new comment button at the bottom of a thread, but otherwise, don't tell me it's harder to find the appropriate reply button than to figure out where to put your comment on a wiki talk page, assuming you're not replying at the bottom.

-- Nx / talk18:38, 21 November 2010

It is; for the latter, you just have to click "edit" and then grep the text for the post you want to put yours after. Here, because of the new rule about how "you're supposed to reply to the first post, not the previous one" (a remark of yours which, thanks to this new interface, I cannot diff-link to; another reason we should not adopt this, lest we give the Conservapedians ideas), you have to scroll up and down until you find the correct "first post."

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX18:45, 21 November 2010

Also, why do I have to hunt up and down the page and click an "Update" link before I am able to see my own posts?

Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX18:46, 21 November 2010

Probably a bug.

-- Nx / talk18:50, 21 November 2010

So this is, by your own admission, buggy? That would rule it out for site-wide use immediately.

Educated drug Phantom Hoover!20:55, 21 November 2010

Yes, since it's alpha quality software. I have never denied that. I may have been too optimistic about the timeframe of LQT's maturation before, but right now the only reason it's installed at all is that I've managed to fix rollback on comments. Also, changing every talk page to lqt would be a huge job, we'd have to archive and clean up every talk page.

Right now, it's just here for testing, and if you like it you can enable it on your talk page.

-- Nx / talk21:03, 21 November 2010

Right, so that rules the issue in question moot; alpha quality software shouldn't be used as widely as was proposed in any case.

Educated drug Phantom Hoover!21:46, 21 November 2010

Tell that to translatewiki. Anyway, I wasn't the one who started this page, so you're barking up the wrong tree

-- Nx / talk21:48, 21 November 2010
 
 
 
 
 

That's why I said it needs a post new comment button at the bottom.

As for difflinks - each comment is actually a separate page. In the "More" dropdown menu you'll find a "link to" button, which will take you to the comment page: Thread:Forum:Use liquid threads in the forum?/Ditto/reply_(18)

-- Nx / talk18:50, 21 November 2010

What would be nice is a quote feature like most phpBB have.

- π03:22, 22 November 2010
 
 

I've added a reply button to the bottom of threads, hope that makes it more obvious where you need to click. Should I also add a reply button to the right side of the header, where the [edit] link is on normal headers?

-- Nx / talk12:21, 2 December 2010

Now add a like button!!!!

Scarlet A.pngbomination15:09, 2 December 2010
 

But yes, add a button there too. Although you won't see that if you're going via the "new messages" tab, as I am mostly. I've still yet to get used to reading this on an actual thread or page yet!

Scarlet A.pngbomination15:10, 2 December 2010
 
 
 
 

But this has the added benefit of being incredibly fugly, in addition to being terrible at conversations.

Reminds me a bit of LiveJournal, honestly.

Kels (talk)18:04, 21 November 2010

I don't know, have any of you guys actually used VB or phpBB at all? It's just the same thing but bunged onto MediaWiki. If we used it in the forum space, it would be exactly the same and no one complains about usability issues with proper forum software.

Scarlet A.pngbomination20:58, 21 November 2010

Well, I actually do have issues with "proper forum software", since it is also full of worthless clutter which just makes conversations less easy to follow.

Educated drug Phantom Hoover!21:14, 21 November 2010

Then suggest a better way of doing it. As it stands, the talk page way of indenting, missing replies, fucking up addressing the right people and generating edit conflicts is a right pain in the ass.

Scarlet A.pngbomination21:34, 21 November 2010

Get rid of these boxes. Remove the pointless buttons. Make it an interface to the underlying format rather than this insane mix of parser tags. Remove the obnoxious "new messages" alert.

Educated drug Phantom Hoover!16:04, 22 November 2010