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Discussion From CP Regarding Credentials[edit]

This still exists at but I'm not sure if it will last. If someone wants to dig up a permalink, that would be great. I have included it because it contains so many of Andy's tactics.

Here is your permalink On wikis, thre is always a link on the left that says "permalink" that you can use. After clicking on it, it is often useful to also click on the section you want in the TOC. Any "diff" page, by the way, is also a permalink, and is useful to show a user actually entering certain text. Also, by the way, I thinnk once Andy archives something, he tends not to mess with it. But still, permalinks will last as long as the wiki is on line. humanbe in 13:41, 2 June 2007 (CDT)

From CP[edit]

Ok, Im a very patient person, but what is "sex talk"?!?!? I mean, the biology of reproduction when presented as I did it, respectfully and morally, is useful, important, and APOLITICAL. I would not venture to insert my politics anywhere on this site. My politics, when I either agree or disagree with something here, are irrelevant. I am only interested in diseminating (dont censor that word please) useful information in a respectful way.

Are you a physician? A PhD credentialed in this field? If so, then state your credentials. If not, then forget about it here.--Aschlafly 14:48, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

I am a medical doctor, born, trained, and practicing in the US, a clinical assistant professor of medicine at a major university. If you wish to know more, I can hunt down my Curriculum Vitae for you. I have no political affiliations, not that it would be anyone's business unless I am editing political articles. I am not registered or donating to any PACs or political parties. I treat sexually transmitted diseases daily, in patients of all faiths, but also in many born-again christians, as no one is inherently immune. I treat all my patients with respect and give them the knowledge to take care of themselves properly. I would be happy to help edit any articles on medicine or sexuality (if presented truthfully and respectfully). I am not interested in vandalism, trolling, or posting opinions anonymously. Any questions? Palmd001 15:00, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Well, your comments about your background are a surprise. Where did you do your residency, and in which field? Feel free to improve our entry on the HPV vaccine, which you should know all about. Additional scientific entries on the damage caused by sexually transmitted diseases would be welcome. Let's see how that goes.

A surprise? I think many of the contributors here are well-educated. I trained in Internal Medicine at Northwestern University in Chicago. Northwestern is non-sectarian, but founded as a Methodist college. It's reputation is unimpeachable. I would be happy to look over the HPV Vaccine article. This is a very interesting topic. I do not have a strong opinion yet as to whether it should be added as a mandatory vaccine, as the there is significant medical disagreement here (as opposed to moral, which there is also). I suspect it will be useful for it to become mandatory at some point, but that is simply my opinion. That being said, if I contribute an edit, it will be factual, but it may or may not conform to what you would wish it to say. As this is your site, it is your right to censor it. I have edited my STD article to include symptoms, and will add information about consequences of STDs. I will have you note that I included accurate information about both abstinence and condom use. Palmd001 15:33, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

Internal medicine is not a field of specialty for sexually transmitted diseases (Untrue). So I don't see anything that would qualify you to speak about prevention. This is not the place for public-school type sex education claims and speculation.
Let's address this as follows. Post a link of any article you have published on sexually transmitted diseases, and I'll look at it. If you haven't published any articles in this field, then send a link of any article in this field that has acknowledged your contribution in anyway. Since authorship and acknowledgments are usually to large groups of people, this would not deprive you of anonymity. But if authorship and acknowledgments are the empty set for you in this field, then perhaps your interest is akin to that of sex ed teachers, and this site is not going to become a place for that.--Aschlafly 15:44, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

You are misinformed about the nature of Internal Medicine. STDs are part of the usual scope of internal medicine practice, and all internists are considered qualified to comment, diagnose, and treat them, just as much as we would diabetes or hypertension. Please refer to the sectino in Harrison's Textbook of Internal Medicine, the main reference for my field. I do not do a lot of publishing but I do have a few articles on hepatitis C I could dig up for you, but it is irrelevant. If you do not acknowledge my expertise in my own field, you probably should not trust your own internest. Please feel free to email me at my private email address if you wish. I can provide it to you privately, but I do not wish to post it here. I have to admit, you got my hackles up a little with that one, as you are a bit over your head here.

Oh, and please...have this...I have not attempted to particularly mask my identity, so if you want to figure it out, you probably can, but why bother, unless you wish to harass me. Palmd001 16:15, 16 March 2007 (EDT)Wright TL, Hollander H, Pu X, Held MJ, Lipson P, Quan S, Polito A, Thaler MM, Bacchetti P, et al. Hepatitis C in HIV-infected patients with and without AIDS: Prevalence and Relationship to Patient Survival. Hepatology, 20: 1152-5, 1994. Palmd001 16:40, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

No offense should be taken, and none was intended. As I made as clear as possible, this site is not the place for sex ed. speculation. You're not a specialist in this field, apparently, but you want to opine about it. That's fine, but don't post your opinions here on this topic. There is no reason to be offended. I feel the same way about the sex ed so-called experts (sometimes called sexperts) who like to talk sex with teenagers in our public schools. For some reason the topic of sex attracts many teacher wannabees. How many of them would like to teach our kids a good math course instead?
This is encyclopedia, not a sex ed reference manual. I don't mean to cut you off at this point, but I have do some other things now. Feel free to respond, but it's unlikely I'll spend more time on this narrow topic today.--Aschlafly 16:43, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
OK, I'll take a look at it. --Aschlafly 16:43, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
OK, i have no interest in talking to children about sex ed, I am not a "sexpert" but I AM an expert in sexually transmitted diseases and I think I have faithfully presented my bona fides. If you cannot accept this, you have a big problem with this site, but as I said, it's yours to do as you wish. BTW, if math were my expertise, I would be happy to contribute, but my speciality is medicine, which is why I have chosen to contribute there. I made very useful edits in HPV Vaccine for you, and posted a non-prurient STD article for you that any parent should be proud to read in order to inform their family as they see fit. I think that you think that I have an agenda that I really do not have.
Palmd001, I looked at your edit to the HPV vaccine. What you added was a liberal claim lacking in any scientific support, a claim that had previously been removed from the entry! Dr. Richard Schlegel, Chair, Georgetown University Medical Center's Department of Pathology, an HPV researched, is quoted in the Washington Post saying the opposite of you stated here. If you wish to discuss this further, don't discuss it here but on the HPV vaccine talk page, where I post Schlegel's comments and link.
Please don't post your speculations and opinions about sex in entries here.--Aschlafly 18:18, 16 March 2007 (EDT)
Have I been banned from this discussion? It appears you have no respect for this expert, despite my proferring of my bona fides. I am perfectly willing to engage in a clean, rational discussion, but you apparently have no interest in truth, be it God's or someone else's. God created intelligent beings to use their intelligence, not to swear vows and bow to false gods such as yourself. Re read your Bible, my friend, and good luck. My God have mercy on your poor, ignorant soul.

Peter Palmd001 21:22, 16 March 2007 (EDT)

BTW, you have misunderstood Dr. Schlegel I think, but Ill report, you decide. See the transcript: [1]

Palmd001 22:17, 16 March 2007 (EDT)