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no sweat![edit]

No sweat it's crazy out here! I just appreciate the discourse at the bar yo. 138.207.198.74 (talk) 03:09, 24 April 2022 (UTC)

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Focus less on words like "left" or "right" and more on ideas. Good ideas are good because they make logical sense and are based on empirical evidence, not because they are on the left, on the right, or on the center. GeeJayK (talk) 00:32, 12 May 2022 (UTC)

you are the worst[edit]

An extreme far right actor in the United States just murdered ten people in Buffalo. He would have murdered many more given the chance. This is a thing that simply DOES NOT happen on the far left in the United States. Are you picking up what I'm laying down here at all? Talking crazy is one thing, murder is another, yes? And the far left may talk alot of crazy in the United States, but they don't actually MURDER many people, do they? While the far right in the United States just goes on murdering people, like clockwork, every fucking month? Are you picking up what I'm laying down here my dude? Or are you just what GC says you are? 138.207.198.74 (talk) 02:58, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

I have the right to a political opinion, so do you. The 2022 New York City Subway attackWikipedia was an attack by black nationalism (so left wing) injuring 29. Both sides commit attrocious acts, and as such both should be condemmed. --Andrew5 (talk) 14:17, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
I would not describe that guy as left-wing. His beliefs seem to resemble color-inverted versions of what (right-wing) white nationalists believe. Vomitorium (talk) 15:18, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Wait, was the Unibomber a far rightwing nutter?
I don't think it's entirely a "right" vs "left". Mass murderers are the kids who believe the game is rigged against them so they don't just flip over the board and walk away, but set the game on fire too. The idea that someone else is to blame for all your problems does create an "us vs them" mentality, which does make the far right a bit more attractive but it's hardly exclusive. CorUser (chat) 15:38, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Good post!--Andrew5 (talk) 16:06, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
(EC) @CorruptUser Well, his manifesto was explicitly anti-leftist. That said, trying to ID where he stands with respect to the left-right spectrum sort of misses the point. Vomitorium (talk) 15:42, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
@Andrew5 How is Black Nationalism left wing? Because it's black people doing the nationalism? ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 15:51, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
(EC) This particular case is a bit personal to me, for... reasons. I'm generally against the use of the death penalty because it's overused for every random murder, but this is one of those cases where it's valid. Mass murder of people the man never even met? Yeah, fuck that guy. CorUser (chat) 15:53, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
@Andrew5 Hang on, if you're agreeing with Cory's post that it's not a left-right thing, then that's a bit different from what you said before, which framed black and white nationalism as opposite sides of the left-right spectrum. Vomitorium (talk) 16:20, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
@Vomitorium Why are you expecting his political views to be coherent or well thought out? There's no reason to do that. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 16:25, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
I good posted the post for the line that said I don't think it's entirely a "right" vs "left". Mass murderers are the kids who believe the game is rigged against them so they don't just flip over the board and walk away, but set the game on fire too. The idea that someone else is to blame for all your problems does create an "us vs them" mentality, which does make the far right a bit more attractive but it's hardly exclusive. Those reflect my views. --Andrew5 (talk) 17:46, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
So you do honestly believe that black nationalism is left wing, or was that just a position you took because you thought it’d help you win an argument? Christopher (talk) 18:02, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
This is yet another example where the "left" and "right" division fares poorly. US Black nationalism actually doesn't fit the generic "left-right" template very well because of it's strong alignment with the Black equality movement. If one is a stickler with the traditional alignment, you would be left with a situation where Martin Luther King Jr. is "left wing" for being a strong advocate of equality where Malcolm X is "right wing" for extending that more in a Black nationalist direction. That just makes a mess of the complexities.
Andrew5, I think there is no problem condemning extremism including Black nationalism. I also have no problem seeing white nationalism as a much bigger threat. Let's put it this way: a significant portion of the 2021 U.S. Capitol riot was led by white nationalism. Let me know when the Nation of Islam or other shithead groups of that ilk get that much political power. Meh (talk) 18:47, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
@Christopher His silence speaks for itself. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 00:19, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
I haven't thought about it. My political beliefs were never called this much into question. --Andrew5 (talk) 00:52, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
"My political beliefs were never called this much into question." Exactly. Maybe that is why we all take such time and effort. Your mediocrity being challenged is a very good thing, one which you may thank us for later. 138.207.198.74 (talk) 02:45, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Asking whether you actually believe anything you say isn't that deep a question buddy. Your silence is deafening. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 02:00, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
User:Sammy's reply (before it got removed) is eerily similar to what Andrew would say. LongStylus (talk) 02:15, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Like many others I'm also waiting for Andrew to actually answer @Christopher's question.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 06:51, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Black nationalism is usually left wing. Blacks identify to be Democratic nearly 7/8 of the time, and Democrats are on the left. --Andrew5 (talk) 18:56, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
So you'll say whatever you think will "win" the argument. Gotcha. ☭Comrade GC☭Ministry of Praise 18:59, 16 May 2022 (UTC)
Surprise at this discovery is not universal.Bob"Life is short and (insert adjective)" 19:57, 16 May 2022 (UTC)