User talk:Laurogeita Hamabost

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Humility dude

Most of us know you're Avenger, but we let you stay because you weren't causing a massive shitstorm. Now, even after being cooped and warned, you're still going to try to push you're Israel agenda? I wouldn't be so bold.^{— Unsigned, by: Pbfreespace3 / talk / contribs}

Is It Worth It?

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Begging the question

It seems we have a difference of opinion here. I tried to satisfy you in a jesting way by presenting both sides in my last edit, which for some reason you saw fit to revert. Why not leave it the way I had it: one side consider the others anal retentive pedants, while the latter consider the former supine descriptivists. Is that not equally gratifying to both sides?

Diogenes (talk) 23:10, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

I happen to agree with LH's revert. I don't think that your phrasing was an improvement on the text. Sorry! Reverend Black Percy (talk) 23:24, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

I went to get a third opinion before this got out of hand. I am not too invested into any particular wording here, but I presume most in the community prefer the wording I reinstated over yours. But do use the talk page to gain consensus, I am out of this particular discussion as of right now unless someone drags me back in. I am not the Ombud's man 23:26, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Just some shower thoughts

I have to ask you, Laurogeita... Would you really come back and make trouble for us even if the vote passed? I mean, I understand that you can't answer "yes" to that even if it were true... And not that I'd take anyone's word on it — just because I lack any overt paranoid side, that doesn't mean I was born yesterday. Heh. But, well, my point is more that I'm actually kind of happy with your conduct these past days. Jagulard is obviously an asshat, and I'll be glad to see him go, considering his attitude — you don't have to comment on that, for the record. I plead the fifth on PB and Kugel, as I'm not here to whip up anything. I'm just here to talk to you. Another way of phrasing the issue is; while you still have control of this account, what is your honest opinion of how I'm doing? Do you believe me if I tell you that I really do try my best for things to add up in a sane way on this site? It's just hard for me to figure out what's the best course to take sometimes — a worry that I think is good, intrinsically, since it's about the opposite of jonanism. But it can be demanding to both be the earned friend of most (if not all) — often highly diverse editors, sometimes with quirks of varying intensity and consequence — and at the same time not become an impotent Futurama-esque Neutral, or become reduced to being an extension of the will of others, but to actually maintain my own moral standing as best I can, navigating the waters of diplomacy primarily guided by an honest heart, rather than by maximally effective strategies and tactics. Even as others have accused you of much mischief — which could be true; maybe you're a monster? — my thoughts about this talkpage post drifts (narcissistically) to Jesus talking to the lepers... Maybe there's something for me to learn about myself from you? I like to think there is something to learn about yourself from everyone, to some extent, however miniscule and minor. So, without making this an extension to the discussion about what is currently going down in the coop, or about any other editors, per se... What's your two cents on old Percy? Be honest. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 01:01, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh, and PS — if any of the above comes off as self-serving, insecure and/or just flat-out confusing, that's because it likely is. Reverend Black Percy (talk) 01:14, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Well I think you are honestly a well-meaning person trying to do his best. This might come off as an insult, because it so often is used that way, but I honestly think that is the most anybody can ever aspire to be and do. We are all human and we all fail from time to time. I do think you could sometimes draw more of a line in the sand and be less unwilling to offend, but I do understand where you are coming from and I do understand that I am certainly too abrasive and brash if I don't try to keep it under control. At any rate, I think part of the negative reaction to me is due to my somewhat idiosyncratic policies. I am probably too hawkish for the tastes of some Chomsky-fans while I am too socialist for the conservatives, I am too sexist for the SJWs (whoever they are) and too feminist for the MRAs. But other than the grief it brings me here, I actually cherish my "fits no box" politics, because I believe they might be a sign of a mobile mind that can read up on a subject and make up his mind rather than following any guru - even if Hitch has said something on the topic. At any rate, I hope you can learn something from this. And if not, well I am not a teacher (as I found out teaching a quite unruly lot my second language while trying to explain stuff in my third language) I am not the Ombud's man 01:41, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. I will treat it by its highest potential — as being the one puzzle piece that it is, out of a multitude, to understanding the full picture of my conduct here. The fact that I think your sincerity sometimes shows as well helps to fuel a certain ambivalence in me towards the current coop vote... One I don't have for Jagulard (pleading the fifth on the other two). But I will also restate that, while I consider it likely enough that you are indeed this Avenger fellow (and don't comment on this), I have no idea of what Avenger did. Why people are so upset at him. And maybe I'd be horrified to find out? So, I will make a "Buddhist" appeal that will be true even if I'm informed that I likely shouldn't have been talking to you in the first place, and just say this — banned or not, returning to the site in disguise or not... Please consider being good. I don't specifically know that you haven't been good (like I just said — I know people are mad with Avenger, but I don't know what Avenger did). So, just humor me here instead of getting stuck on the details. If you ever do come back... Please be good. So good that nobody would ever suspect it's Avenger, even if it is. I like interacting with editors who are good. And whoever you are, I know you have it in you. I know you don't hate me, so I'd like you to know that — were our paths to cross in the future without me knowing it's you — there are ways not to pain me. If you think I deserve that break, consider giving me it. I'd much appreciate that, in that scenario. Regardless of who you really are — just, in the hypothetical scenario where you'd be back in disguise. That is all. Probably best if you don't reply to this. All the best, Reverend Black Percy (talk) 02:02, 12 October 2016 (UTC)

Well, I don't know what Avenger did that led to the current memetic status he (I am presuming he) enjoys on this wiki. And I am probably not the right person to ask. And as to the other thing, I will surely take that into consideration. I am not the Ombud's man 02:22, 12 October 2016 (UTC)