Essay talk:Geek elitism

About halfway through I realized this might be better as a funspace article. Partly because of that I intentionally left it without a category. Part of it was also I'm just not sure where to put it. Input always welcome--Just relax, and stay funny (talk) 02:20, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Essayspace maybe? Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 02:41, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

... Fine. I have no idea how to move an article like that though.--Just relax, and stay funny (talk) 02:45, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Done. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 02:46, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

If only I knew how to do that....--Just relax, and stay funny (talk) 02:50, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

alt-shift-m. There's also a way to turn on a "relocate" button somewhere in user preferences. Nebuchadnezzar (talk) 02:51, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

"No difference between subbed and dubbed anime"

Really? Really? No difference? I have to question how much you've seen of anime after reading that. The Haruhi dub for example doesn't come close to capturing the source material. Wehpudicabok (talk) 08:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I think the point is that whether someone likes sub or dub, no one should act as a gatekeeper to let only those with their own preferences into the fandom. So yeah, you can present even the most objective analysis that you can of your favorite fandom, it still shouldn't be a standard of admission. So those people who like 4Kids dubs of mainstream anime, they have as much a right to be fans as people who only watch things no one has ever heard of on topics no one outside japan cares about, pirated with fansubs. Geek elitism or Intellectual Gatekeeping isn't about being a better fan or having a better perspective of fan material than other fans, it's about not letting other fans in that aren't like yourself.±KnightOfTL;DR^{walls of text while-u-wait} 08:52, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, sure, I agree with the overall point of the essay. Fans of dubbed anime are still fans of anime. It's just factually wrong to say there's no difference between subs and dubs. Wehpudicabok (talk) 08:54, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Dubs are better because I can cook breakfast with a dubbed anime running in the background and still know what the hell is going on. Radioactive afikomen ^{Please ignore all my awful pre-2014 comments.} 09:54, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

OK, there are a few anime that are different in Japanese and English, but the vast majority of the time the only difference is the language.--Just relax, and stay funny (talk) 18:43, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

They're almost invariably a different translation, with the subtitles being much more faithful to the original Japanese script, and the English dub adapted for the American market. Also the suggestion that Howl's Moving Castle is only "Japanese style", despite being produced in Japan, because it's based on a British novel, is ridiculous. Does anyone in anime fandom genuinely suggest this? I doubt it, and a Google search of "Howl's Moving Castle Japanese style" brought up no relevant hits. Weaseloid^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:31, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I've seen a few discussions say that because Howl isn't based on Japanese source material, it isn't a "pure" anime/OAV, that's why I said it. If you have a better example, I'll change the comment. --Just relax, and stay funny (talk) 18:43, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I get that some people might say it isn't "pure", but "Japanese style" suggests animations made by foreign studios in the style of Japanese animation, not animations which are genuinely made within Japan. Wēāŝēīōīď^{Methinks it is a Weasel} 18:52, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I didn't realize Howl's was actually made in Japan until someone pointed it out. Seriously, if someone has something better, say so.--Just relax, and stay funny (talk) 19:10, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Avatar: The Last Airbender would be a much better example. An American cartoon heavily influenced by Japanese style. Wehpudicabok (talk) 19:27, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Better?--Just relax, and stay funny (talk) 19:31, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Much. And I'll quit whining. I know I've kind of been missing the point here. ;) Wehpudicabok (talk) 19:32, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure if clarification requests/demands are missing the point.--Just relax, and stay funny (talk) 19:47, 14 December 2012 (UTC)