Talk:12 Arguments Evolutionists Should Avoid/Archive1

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Nice

This is very nice. I would like to help. Tomorrow. After sleep. Corry (talk) 05:36, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

For argument 7

see [here] ^{— Unsigned, by: 85.189.231.117 / talk / contribs} 16:21, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Hmm

"It’s a framework built on assumptions about the past—assumptions THAT WILL NEVER HAVE DIRECT, FIRST-HAND, OBSERVATIONAL PROOF."

Really? In a lab you can observe bacteria evolving over many, many generations in a very short space of time, and you can guide the evolution to the point where you can make them immune to pretty much whatever you like. It's been done many times. Now, that might not prove the whole theory of evolution, but if it isn't direct, first-hand, observational proof of bacterial evolution then what is it?^{— Unsigned, by: 78.149.6.61 / talk / contribs}

"Lenski's results" referenced in the rebuttal in the right column are exactly this - evolution of a completely novel trait in bacteria under laboratory conditions. I added a link to Lenski results challenge creationism to make the connection more obvious.--ZooGuard (talk) 14:15, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

But those bacteria didn't magically change into horses, therefore Not Evolution. ^{d hominem} 23:33, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Small edit to argument 7

This previously referred to "survival of the fittest" rather than "survival of the fit enough", an error identified in our own Arguments evolution supporters shouldn't use. This has been corrected. Frostbyte (talk) 09:17, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Small change to Argument 5.

Actually, the ancient Chinese had observed that the Earth was spherical nearly a millennium before Eratosthenes. (Teresi, 2002).--23.28.180.43 (talk) 11:51, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Thanks - I've amended the section to reflect this. Doxys Midnight Runner (talk) 11:59, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Is there a way of copying this stuff into MS word without it screwing everything up when you put it back

?

Also, do we have any kind of equivalent to Template:Confusing or Template:Unclear or ^{[What is this? Please elaborate.]} here? Because there are a few things I don't know how to reword because I don't know the author's intention when it was written.

Well, really, it's only one line so far that has me confused. It's this one line (the part in italics):

"It would be fallacious to define educated people as those who accept evolution - as anyone can argue by definition and get away with it. "

Get away with what, exactly? That sentence has me scratching my head (sorry).

I don't want to risk rewording it and losing the original meaning. I think this article is absolutely perfect in its content. It's just the wording of a few things that I'd like to slightly modify. Parogar (talk) 20:43, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Also, I apologize for the stupidity and inconvenience of this post. I really did try to figure it out on my own. Parogar (talk) 20:43, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Copy the code of the article, not the rendered text. Also, use a simple text editor such as Notepad instead of Word.--ZooGuard (talk) 21:26, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

Please advise: need fact-checking

". Darwin made detailed observations of animals, their appearances, their interactions and their environments. This was research that no one had bothered to do before[citation needed], and so was effectively "new" even though the world didn't really change. "

^^ Is this actually true? I am skeptical about this part, and was wondering if anyone had any knowledge on this. Surely Darwin was not the first to ever study animals and observe their environments. Wasn't there even someone else (can't remember the name) who was doing the same thing and coming to the same conclusions at the same time as Darwin?^{— Unsigned, by: Parogar / talk / contribs 21:15, 14 December 2014‎ (UTC)}

Alfred Russel Wallace, though you'll be better served by the Wikipedia article.--ZooGuard (talk) 21:25, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

@ZooGuard So what do I do? I'm mainly interested in doing copy-editing with this article. I lack the sufficient knowledge to make substantive edits here. Is there a way I can leave a note for someone more experienced in this topic to come fix it? Parogar (talk) 21:26, 14 December 2014 (UTC)