Talk:Book of Ruth

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as to killing the headers, please don't. I just had to run out to attend to the cats, and came back to realize how late it was. I'll finish it early tomorrow, if that's ok. or i'll delete it and save it on a notepad if you wish.--WaitingforGodot 00:02, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

Oh, no problem, I didn't know they were fresh work. I have no doubt you'll get back to it. Thanks! ħumanUser talk:Human 00:07, 17 July 2008 (EDT)

"covering with teh cloth"[edit]

can I ask anyone if they are highly confident about the issue with the "covering of his cloak"? I've read in Harris (biblical scholar, undergraduate text book we used) that it's pretty accepted that there is a tradition to recieve marriage by asking to be covered by the cloth of the partner. I don't want to change it if someone else knows more than what i know from one author of one textbook.Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 14:49, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

All the on-line sources I've tried go for the "covering with cloak" = "asking for marriage". I'm not sure we're doing ourselves any favours by suggesting otherwise. Jack Hughes (talk) 15:30, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Exactly. Nothing in this article is cited, so i don't know (other than skeptics, which i never trust) where we got this, or who's said it. --Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 15:55, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
I got it from Skeptics and from nowhere else but if she just wanted to marry him why get him drunk first? I'm not Jesus (talk) 17:42, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Skeptics is really bs. They use ONLY the English, they have no one who goes back to Hebrew, and they just do what you just did. they "suggest" "intimate" and "wonder". I really don't like that they are used at RW often as "sources", though they are a great place to START your research, cause they really do challenge the shit out of the bible. But their conclusions are just guesses. Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 20:22, 11 August 2011 (UTC)
Where does it say she got him drunk? again, you really need to be careful that you are providing the quotes you are making claims of. The bible is full of tons of problems, but I think we do a serious disservice when, like Skeptics, we just say "oh, the word drink is here, it must be alcohol".Pink mowse.pngEn attendant Godot 20:24, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

I don’t think Ruth was promiscuous but she was desperately poor and Boaz had the means to provide for her, for Naomi and for any children they might have together, well Ruth needed to marry him. Naomi probably guessed rightly that Boaz was more likely to marry Ruth if he tried her out first and advised Ruth how to seduce him. In non-western cultures it might be acceptable for a woman to propose to a man, I don’t know. Still in any culture a woman who goes to a man’s bedroom, especially a woman who goes secretly to a man’s bedroom is likely to want immediate sex. Take care those Christian lecturers who were/are in authority over you don’t influence you too much. If you still need qualifications don’t show them they’re losing influence. I’ve modified the text to show we aren’t sure what he had been drinking and we aren’t sure what they did together but I made it clear they probably had sex before they married because I think that’s the correct interpretation of the text. Any RatWikians who can study the text in the original Hebrew please give us an input. I'm not Jesus (talk) 13:17, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm now quite happy with what you've done. (says he with a patronising tone). Seriously - you've found that line between sceptical disbelief and snark. Jack Hughes (talk) 13:20, 12 August 2011 (UTC)
This text seems to say that if two unmarried people have intercourse they are bound together. That would seem to include if one or both are drunk at the time and incapable of understanding a commitment. The biblical moral code is wonderful. Proxima Centauri (talk) 17:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
"seems to..." "seem to..." depends how much the website (or its reader) twists things to say what they want. SophieWilder 17:49, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Heh "seems to" is what 90% of biblical scholarship (believers and non) rely on. pretty much true with any poetic/religious and ancient text we have. "well, the word is only used 3 times in anything we've ever found. it seems to imply that star is also sky and also heaven".  ;-) Green mowse.pngGodot She was a venus demilo in her sister's jeans 17:55, 27 November 2012 (UTC)