Talk:Catholic sacraments

Everyboody maeks speelign mistakes

Be nice :-/-αmεσ (pirate) 13:59, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

My apologies. Just graded a bunch of horrible, un-spell-checked papers. As one professor put it: "Nothing says 'Fuck you.' like a typo that your spell-check would have caught. It's like you didn't even deem it worth doing that much." For the love of Jeebus, though - Firefox does put a bloody big red line under misspelled words... PFoster 14:04, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Her contribution had some five errors in a couple of words and a sentence. Unfortunately the Rollback function doesn't let you comment on it. I just reverted her contribution instead of correcting her, because I don't agree with her edits. We are RW, not AW, after all. And because that many errors in so few words, for example not closing your parentheses (spelling?), means you don't really care of "improving" (Andy's favorite word) the wiki. IMHO, your Леушка^{superstitious animist} 14:37, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

What's POV about her edits!?-αmεσ (pirate) 15:04, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

The role of the sacraments for example. Леушка^{superstitious animist} 15:10, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Aside from the spellchecks, is this that bad?-αmεσ (pirate) 15:13, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

For me, she should have avoided the last sentence. Now, if she didn't make all those spelling mistakes, I would have let it be, as I have with all the vitriol she puts on Catholics. With those errors, I decided she could see the trouble of undoing my reversion, and maybe correct her spelling in the while. That's it, give me a block as long as you deem necessary. Superstitious animist^{Ed at CP} 15:25, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Haha! The priests control lay Catholics now? I'm sure they'll be thrilled to hear that. However, it is rather my experience that there is a long and very proud tradition among the laity of completely ignoring what the clergy have to say when convenient. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 15:33, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Good point, I guess that was a little nasty.-αmεσ (pirate) 15:55, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Par for the course, Ames. --AKjeldsen^Godspeed! 15:59, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Heh. I would like to think that on the line between "snarky" and "patently offensive," that we stay closer to "snarky," so I'm sorry for second-guessing people who were trying to police that line :-) -αmεσ (pirate) 16:06, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Barbara is a rather profilic editor, and makes many good contributions. However, her work almost always needs proofreading and editing. It's a balancing act. Trent and Icewedge have also added hugely in a few articles that also required secondary effort to polish them. I wouldn't disagree with the rollback above, apparently she accidentally pasted "priests" into a few random places, along with some ranting. A good edit with poor spelling or language use is worth fixing. And an out of place rant is worth deletiing. A so-so edit with language issues and low-quality ranting is hard to work into an article properly. I try to keep as much of what she adds as I can when proofreading/editing her work. Wow, a series of short declarative sentences. I should read less of her work. The RCC wants to yoke the lay people to the priests plow. Yikes! human 22:02, 22 March 2008 (EDT)

Seven sacraments

According to Wp:Sacraments of the Catholic Church (and everywhere else I've looked - about 4 sites) the last rites one should be "Anointing of the Sick". Does it matter?   ^Contribs_Talk 21:24, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

I dunno. It already says "anointing"... but if that's what it's called (can always check with AKjeldson?), we should call it that. ħuman 22:06, 26 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes, that's right, the sacrament is called "Anointing of the Sick". The "Last rites" properly refers collectively to the three sacraments of Anointing, Confession and Eucharist that is often given to a dying person. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 04:19, 27 August 2008 (EDT)

*fires up 7 years of brainwashing by the church*. Hmm, if I remember correctly, Baptism can be administered only by a priest, except in the circumstances of an unbaptised person dying, in which case, anyone can adminsiter it. Penance can only be done with a priest, so that is accurate as is. The Eurcharist is administered during each sermon, but can be delivered to a church/other locations where people cannot get to church.

Confirmation is, as the article pointed out, administered around 15 for people born into the church, and done with baptism and the Eucharist for covens. Marriage and Holy Orders is where things bet a bit muddy. First off, the person has to choose between one or the other, as (if I remember correctly) Holy Orders consititues a binding agreement to the church, just as marriage represents a binding agreement to the other person. The last rites are another sacrament administered by a priest, except for if the priest cannot get to the individual(s?) before they die, in which case, someone who knows the rites can administer them.

That is about all I can think of right now, I am going to see if I happen to have any textbooks on Catholic Theology lying around. ĴαʊΆʃÇä₰ is out of his mind

"The Eurcharist ... can be delivered to a church/other locations where people cannot get to church" Uh-oh. Mental image: "Father Domino's Eurcharists. 30 minute delivery or your next confession is free."

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That'll take a lot of Ave Maria's to get out of. --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 16:30, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Five Ave Marias and five Pater Nosters, but in five different languages. Editor at CP^{Liar at RP!} 16:54, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Five? Uh, Classic Latin and Medieval Latin are separate languages, right? --AKjeldsen^{Cum dissensie} 18:19, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

<normal font>Sorry but classical Latin is pagan, dead and prohibited. Everytime I hear Cicero pronounced Kikero I get shivers. And wowel length too! No, no, only Medieval/Church/Normal/Contemporary Latin is permitted here. Editor at CP^{Liar at RP!} 18:25, 29 August 2008 (EDT)

Yes, Anointing of the Sick. Technically, it is not supposed to be reserved to the dying. In Orthodox Churches, it is sometimes administered on demand, to help with any physical or spiritual affliction. OrthodoxBeliever (talk) 09:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

"Catholic" Sacraments?

I don't think it's such a good title. For one, we Orthodox receive the same seven Sacraments, with minor differences from the Latins (e. g. having Confirmation administered right after Baptism, and Annointing not reserved for the dying). In fact, Latins recognise all our Sacraments as valid (acceptance of Latin sacraments among the Orthodox varies greatly). Other communities have these as well (certainly Old Catholics, certainly Copts and other Orientals, arguably Anglicans, Lutherans and various small sects). In fact, pretty much anyone do Baptism, and many will have some mockery ... err, sorry, "version"... of Lord's Supper (Eucharist). OrthodoxBeliever (talk) 09:00, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

History of marriage as a sacrament

Does anyone know when marriage started being considered a sacrament? I've seen someone claim that it was relatively recent (post-Middle Ages), and that the Church was originally preferred only as a "trusted witness", and in fact, a bit annoyed by all those people who showed up to get married. That sounded quite suspect to me, though.--ZooGuard (talk) 13:16, 2 August 2013 (UTC)