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Talk:Hanzi of Genesis

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Serendipity[edit]

Serendipity: I came on this (following a link from a PZ comment) note the second "Topic" down. I am eating Toast& honeychat 15:31, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Toast! Added the linky to the page. Also, doesn't that dino look like Barney to you? --PsyWhut? 15:40, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

WTF[edit]

I know it's a refutation of an article on CMI, but I find the source article mostly bullshitting. Several points indicating why:

  • Those characters used in examples are modern traditional Chinese. see wp:Oracle bone script and wp:Chinese bronze inscriptions for the actual ancient chinese characters.
  • The stuff written on bones/turtle shells are for fortune telling (pyromantic divination) purpose. The mapping of those characters and the morden chinese are not unique (several ways to write the same character back then (not just synonyms, same character), until wp:Small Seal Script comes along).
  • Unless We are talking about YHWH/Jesus helped Qin to conquer the other states in the warring states period, The adaption of Small Seal Script (Qin's version of characters, precursor to the modern Chinese characters) is mostly the opinion that survived.
  • The inability of CMI to employ a couple of people to translate the book into chinese to release it before the english version is the indication that they are only bullshitting (if you are targeting chinese audience one would suppose it would be written in f***ing Chinese!)

More suggestions:

  • forest(林)+women(女)= Forest of women → greed/covetousness?
  • 示 maps more to revelation rather than God (it's more like "instruction", but if you have to get religion/God into the picture, then it's more like revelation); 宗 maps more to orthodoxy or faction/clan
  • Noah's Ark is "方舟" square/rectangular boat, not 箱舟

ThiehAsk me for relationship advice 18:47, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Given its source, the remarkable thing would be if it were not a bullshit storm. Mjollnir.svgListenerXTalkerX 19:03, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know[edit]

There are few obvious thing you missed though.

You joke twice that, 土 - is indeed, soil, or earth... or Turkey apparently. However the Garden of Eden, based on it description, would most likely have been in Turkey, this could easily be interpreted as a cultural memory of where the Garden was located being recorded in the character. Also, 告 means "revelation, or inform, or announce", which is clearly vastly different from God speaking magic words to bring Adam to life. Actually isn't revelations what God specialises in rather than mealy speaking? - π 10:30, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

土 can be further parsed as 十 and 一, which 十一 = eleven. Thieh[Talk needed] 01:12, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
If you think 土 can be parsed as 十一。。 Fareeha A (talk) 14:18, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Attribution[edit]

Some content from http://evolutionwiki.org/wiki/Chinese_glyph_for_ark_is_literally_8_mouths The FCP Foundation (talk/stalk) 19:41, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Mentioned[edit]

https://www.reddit.com/r/badlinguistics/comments/5sfg3z/japanese_katakana_and_hiragana_are_derived_from/ddg4xtr/ Herr FuzzyKatzenPotato (talk/stalk) 14:25, 8 February 2017 (UTC)

Japanese[edit]

As this is about hanzi, why do we mention kanji so much? I understand that they're the same character set but we're discussing Chinese.

On a side note, 奴 and 女 are homophones and means slave and woman, respectively.. Fareeha A (talk) 14:24, 23 July 2017 (UTC)

Some more examples[edit]

Taking 共 and breaking it down into 廾 (gong) which they take to mean 'united' (it means nothing on its own), 一 (yi)which they claim means earth (it means one, but they'll say 'one earth'), and 八 (ba)which means eight. From 'united' + 'earth' + 'eight' they get 共,which means 'altogether' and is used in words like common and consensus. They'll then take 'altogether' and because it's in the word flood, it must refer to the global flood, right?

Another one is 塔 (ta - tower), which supposedly comes from 土 (earth); 艹 which means nothing on its own, but they somehow take to mean grass; 人 which means person, but they distort into 'mankind'; 一 (one); and 口 (mouth). They'll say that mankind had one mouth and was building bricks — obviously this refers to the tower of Babel. Decidedly not a sock of User:Fareeha_A 17:04, 14 September 2017 (UTC)