Talk:Hoffman Quadrinity Process

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Untrue

Your article on Hoffman is mostly untrue.

I have done the Hoffman Process and can state the following:

Nobody symbolically divorced their parents Nobody meets any spirit guides. Nobody establishes “psychic contact” with their parents Nobody “cataloged” all the bad things that their parents ever did There was no “supernatural" influence at all Nobody alleged "psychic communication with ones parents"

Yes I agree that "Believing such communication is actually from your young parents is just bullshit" and so would most people who teach the process and go on the process.

There is a lot of use of “visualisation” which is probably what you are confusing with actual fact. The purpose of the visualisation as far, as I can make out, is an attempt to make a person experience situations that they may have blocked out of their minds. For example I had not considered the situations which made my parents divorce and the visualisations encouraged me to see their point of view and realise that the failure was not my own.

During the whole process there was no pressure. There are rules but you are free to defy them. eg There is a rule that nobody use their mobile phones. Plenty of people did use their phone and, in my view, this was detrimental to them but then this is their choice so who cares. Having spoken to other people who have been on the process I hear that some even went down the pub in the evenings.

I understand the fears that people have of cults and I was extremely cautious but my experience with the Hoffman is that it is basically just all the psychological ideas and techniques that have been learned in mainstream psychology all wrapped up in a process to get you to experience the ideas rather than just contemplate them intellectually.

I think it did me good and after the process I just moved on.

To demonstrate that I have not lost my caution of institutions I have declined to sign up to your web site despite you scare mongering warnings of publishing my IP address !! Whoooohh... scary!!!

Lastly I'd make a comment on the style of your site. You portray yourselves as a rational alternative to Wikipedia and I agree taht rationalism is needed in the world today. yet your articles are not rational. Your Hoffman article more resembled American Christian fundamentalism in that your article was ill informed and self riotous. For example the statement “Believing such communication is actually from your young parents is just bullshit”.

This is a completely irrational comment.

I'm not sure how this will be included in your web site if at all.

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All those descriptions - meeting a spirit guide, establishing psychic communication with your dead parents - are from Bob Hoffman's 1976 book Getting Divorced from Mother & Dad, which describes the process as it was back when it was known as the Fischer-Hoffman Process. Hoffman even refers to this as the "psychic technology of mind revelations" and specifically references psychic communication and many other supernatural concepts like karmic debt so many times in the book I lost count. It is possible the process has changed considerably in the years since. If it has changed and they have dropped the supernatural woo it would be fair to note this in the article, and indeed maybe it needs to be rewritten to reflect the current process while noting its origins and how it has changed. What about the possibility the supernatural woo is still present, just framed in a different way to make it sound more professional and scientific (which, of course, doesn't necessarily make it scientific)? Since you have first hand experience with the current process, how about this - be bold and go ahead and correct anything that is obviously inaccurate, and/or note when and how it has changed. Or if you prefer, let's discuss it here and come up with an article that is fair, while keeping in mind the POV here is SPOV - scientific point of view - and the article is necessarily going to be skeptical where skepticism is deserved. Fair enough? Secret Squirrel (talk) 01:23, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and Bob Hoffman mentions attempted abortions discovered via psychic contact at least twice in his book. That is right out of L. Ron Hubbard territory. Is this still in the current process? Secret Squirrel (talk) 01:39, 5 December 2010 (UTC)

Oh noes we've been rebutted

https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Pseudoskepticism/Hoffman_Quadrinity_Process FU22YC47P07470 (talk/stalk) 01:05, 5 February 2016 (UTC)