Friendly critique: reads like an essay. Also false ("stuck with two possibilities"), unsourced and unresearched ("The doctrine of my church's stance is specific, well known, and not mentioned in either of Gulik's "two possibilities"), and irrational. BTW, Human, why aren't you asking for sources on this ridiculous attempt at an article? Heart♥GoldDemonstrate the spirit of stupor 17:28, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
- What is your church's doctrine, then? --Gulik 18:40, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
- Its not ridiculous really, if a baby has a soul then once it dies it can go two places acording to christian belife; hell or heaven. Since you have to accept jesus as your savior to go to heaven it stands to reason that christians must belive every miscarage and abortion sends a soul to hell. - Icewedge 18:02, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
- Well, what are the alternatives, then? --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 17:48, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
The other matter not discussed is that whether or not an aborted foetus classes as "human" enough (consciousness, etc.) in the eyes of said deity to warrant sending to one place or the other. Should it be deemed as "human life" it has not had a chance to condemn itself or redeem itself and any judgement would surely be arbitary and, should it not, then the whole abortion debacle is rather a moot point. If indeed, it classes as conscious life with the potential to be doomed or saved (clearly the "third way" is only an artifact of British politics!), where is the line drawn? Was Onan unfairly judged? prettydilettantelies 17:49, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
- Sperms are people too! --Gulik 18:40, 15 July 2007 (CDT)
Didn't the Catholic Church change their dogma this year (aborted fetuses now go to heaven instead of limbo), because apparently God changed his mind? MiddleMan 06:24, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
- Not really. What it said was that there has never been any official teaching by the Church on the subject, and that in the end, one can only have faith and hope in God's mercy. Plus a lot of stuff about the historical development of the concept and some theological considerations. It did say that Limbo is a "theological opinion", and that there are other approaches that can solve the issue. Also, it was in a document released by the International Theological Commission, which is only an advisory body, so nothing has been changed dogmatically. --AKjeldsenGodspeed! 06:39, 16 July 2007 (CDT)
so what **is** it
If you are going to write an article, at least tell us what a thing is. "doctrine of infant damnation is a problem for xians". HUH????--Godotoi, putain, genial, merci 14:19, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
Your average small child
... will have some concept that 'people die/'go elsewhere' and that if you are nice people will be nice to you (unless they are busy, or naughty people), and the reverse.
You explain to them that because 'nobody ever put some water on them and said a few words' they are going to a place where they will be punished forever and they will reply 'it's not fair!' It also seems wrong to grown ups who #do# know better (and the concept of purgatory - where you recompense for all your naughtiness and things not done etc - makes more sense for the most of us, in both senses).
There is also the story about someone who dies and goes to heaven and is being shown around by an angel, who states where different groups tend to congregate and they come to a wall: the angel indicates they remain silent until they have gone along past the wall, and then explains - that is where 'group X' go and they believe that only they are saved. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 15:37, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
A problem with infant damnation
Hell will be swarming with very unhappy infants, who have to be looked after, and the devils signed up in order to punish malefactors not be nursemaids. 22.214.171.124 (talk) 09:19, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
- Did the devils sign up? I'm not sure if it's entirely clear where they're all coming from. Did they all rebel against God? —Kazitor, pending 10:00, 23 April 2018 (UTC)
- Some would have chosen to go to hell - and something else to annoy the 'do this or you will be damned' brigade.
- A scene in Satan's office - assorted devil's unions (where the devil #is# in the detail) stating that unless something is done they will advise their members to 'say the magic words' and become God-botherers. 126.96.36.199 (talk) 12:13, 23 April 2018 (UTC)